No Claydol or Uxie!?!
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Delirium Trigger
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Saying you hate how people use Claydol and Uxie is basically saying
"I hate how people get their decks to run efficiently."
But whatever man.
If you're asking about draw power thats not Claydol and Uxie, try draw supporters, or supporters that just refresh your hand (Cynthia's Feelings, Professor Rowan)
Pokeballs are a great alternative to using straight search cards like Bebe and Roseanne's, try Quick Ball, Great Ball, etc.
There's a reason everyone uses Uxie and Claydol...
"I hate how people get their decks to run efficiently."
But whatever man.
If you're asking about draw power thats not Claydol and Uxie, try draw supporters, or supporters that just refresh your hand (Cynthia's Feelings, Professor Rowan)
Pokeballs are a great alternative to using straight search cards like Bebe and Roseanne's, try Quick Ball, Great Ball, etc.
There's a reason everyone uses Uxie and Claydol...
Absoltrainer
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If you don't plan on running claydol OR Uxie, then be prepared to lose.
In my experiance even SP decks that don't run Claydol run AT LEAST ONE uxie
SP's your best bet then, but don't be hatn on good cards.
In my experiance even SP decks that don't run Claydol run AT LEAST ONE uxie
SP's your best bet then, but don't be hatn on good cards.
Ninjask88
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I am just saying that I do not like conforming to what is considered the norm of a deck. I don't like being the same of everyone else. I like being different and finding my own way about things.
Also the deck that I am going to be using is a Dusknoir/Metagross deck. The cards themselves I dont hate I just dont like how everyone uses them because it is annoying that people think they have to have it in their deck.
thepliskin5005
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well i think whats a good alternitive that does actullie hase its ups compared to claydoll is dodrio from supremictors no doubt you dont get as many cards as dodrio does but when like people use trapnics inviteing trap on it you can retreat for free and dudrio is a colorless pokemon like if ever do need to attack with there pokemon weakness to colorless like flygon and salamence you can use dudrio maybe....but it is three energys or you could have just like suporter cards that can make you draw more cards.
thepliskin5005
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Gliscor my does have claydoll and it keeps up with other decks real well i beat decks with oppent haveing claydoll easy.
Ninjask88
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That is like saying a deck needs energies. I doesnt hae too. I beleive that if a deck is good enough you should be able to win even if you are at a disadvantage. There is a unique way that you can use to win without Claydols or Uxies and I will find a way how.
corrupti0n
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run lots of felicitys and volkners. Ball trainesr such as quickball and dusk ball will help greatly. As well a full set of pokedrawers and some underground expedition. Its not impossible to make a deck consistent without claydol and uxie, but it does hurt.
JBowroxmysox
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The ignorance and stubbornness!!! IT BURNS!!!!!
Your idea is cute, but it's terrible in practice. Have fun getting annihilated by EVERYTHING that does run those cards.
Have fun picking up one card at a time, watching your opponent go through their deck in a few turns.
And have fun being disappointed by your poor decision to go without Cosmic Power and Setup (buddy, it's called Setup for a reason) while you whiff on every card that you need at a certain time, courtesy of your severely limited draw power.
Dude, there's a reason every deck plays these cards. Maybe you'll see that after you 0-X or 1-X winning against a theme deck at your next Cities.
Kayle
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Wow. Lots of harsh comments here.
About not running Claydol and Uxie:
Saying "I hate how everyone is using Claydol and Uxie!!!!!" is stupid. I'm sorry, but it's just true. That's like saying I hate how everyone is using Bebe's Search! Or Roseanne's Research! I hate how every SP deck runs Poke-Turn and SP Radar! I hate how every deck runs ENERGY! I hate how - okay, you get the idea. Most of the time the people who have a distaste for Claydol and Uxie are saying that to make themselves feel better about not having them.
Not using Claydol or Uxie is silly. I understand you wanting to come up with a deck combination/idea yourself, but there comes a point where you have to stick to a basic template - an idea that others have found works. That template is almost always a Claydol line, 1-3 Uxie, 4 Bebe's, and 4 Roseanne's. If you don't have those, your deck won't be consistent unless you have some wacked-out way of drawing cards (see Scizor/Cherrim) and even then it will be iffy at best compared to the Claydol players.
If you have Claydols and Uxies, run them. Not running them is like having dice to use for damage counters, but preferring to use those silly paper ones, because "it's more authentic" or, more correctly, "everyone else is using them". They're using them because they're the best tools available for what they need to do. It's like saying you prefer using a rock to hammer in a nail - instead of a hammer, because everyone else uses hammers. You know what I mean? Just buckle down and do it. It's okay. We won't look down on you for it.
(Edited in: "I beleive that if a deck is good enough you should be able to win even if you are at a disadvantage." You need to know that this statement makes no sense and any interpretation I come up with is completely false. If you are at a disadvantage, you are losing. You can never guarantee a win under such circumstances. Further, and more on topic, if you're at a disadvantage because you can't get any critical cards out, it doesn't matter how good your deck is - though it's probably not all that good to begin with!)
To actually give you an answer, though. I honor that you don't want to run Claydol or Uxie (Or, you don't have them). Here are my ideas.
There are two options I can give you.
1. Run a different type of draw engine. The only one I know of is Porygon-2 GE + Staraptor FB Lv. X, with Professor Oak's Visit and/or Felicity's Drawing. That's the best draw system I know outside of Claydol and Uxie. Other than that, you can try Solrock SV + Lunatone GE, where you can check the top three cards of your deck, put one on top, and then discard a card from your hand to draw it. These won't be as fast as Claydol, but they will work.
2. Run a deck that doesn't need a Pokemon-based draw engine. My current league owner makes decks that consist of 12-20 energy, 20-26 trainers, and 6 Pokemon or so. Such an absurdly focused deck NEVER needs Claydol - he sets up with no problems at all. Use 4/4 Bebe's/Roseanne's, then Quick and Dusk Balls (prefer Quick if you're short on space). You can't have a complex setup with this, but my LO can make a Darkrai swarm deck that's actually rather effective this way - a little slow, granted, but effective. He also ran Butterfree GE + Shaymin Lv. X (both).
And SECRET OPTION NUMBER THREE:
3. ARCEUS [del]IS NOT A MEME[/del] DOESN'T USE CLAYDOL/UXIE
About not running Claydol and Uxie:
Saying "I hate how everyone is using Claydol and Uxie!!!!!" is stupid. I'm sorry, but it's just true. That's like saying I hate how everyone is using Bebe's Search! Or Roseanne's Research! I hate how every SP deck runs Poke-Turn and SP Radar! I hate how every deck runs ENERGY! I hate how - okay, you get the idea. Most of the time the people who have a distaste for Claydol and Uxie are saying that to make themselves feel better about not having them.
Not using Claydol or Uxie is silly. I understand you wanting to come up with a deck combination/idea yourself, but there comes a point where you have to stick to a basic template - an idea that others have found works. That template is almost always a Claydol line, 1-3 Uxie, 4 Bebe's, and 4 Roseanne's. If you don't have those, your deck won't be consistent unless you have some wacked-out way of drawing cards (see Scizor/Cherrim) and even then it will be iffy at best compared to the Claydol players.
If you have Claydols and Uxies, run them. Not running them is like having dice to use for damage counters, but preferring to use those silly paper ones, because "it's more authentic" or, more correctly, "everyone else is using them". They're using them because they're the best tools available for what they need to do. It's like saying you prefer using a rock to hammer in a nail - instead of a hammer, because everyone else uses hammers. You know what I mean? Just buckle down and do it. It's okay. We won't look down on you for it.
(Edited in: "I beleive that if a deck is good enough you should be able to win even if you are at a disadvantage." You need to know that this statement makes no sense and any interpretation I come up with is completely false. If you are at a disadvantage, you are losing. You can never guarantee a win under such circumstances. Further, and more on topic, if you're at a disadvantage because you can't get any critical cards out, it doesn't matter how good your deck is - though it's probably not all that good to begin with!)
To actually give you an answer, though. I honor that you don't want to run Claydol or Uxie (Or, you don't have them). Here are my ideas.
There are two options I can give you.
1. Run a different type of draw engine. The only one I know of is Porygon-2 GE + Staraptor FB Lv. X, with Professor Oak's Visit and/or Felicity's Drawing. That's the best draw system I know outside of Claydol and Uxie. Other than that, you can try Solrock SV + Lunatone GE, where you can check the top three cards of your deck, put one on top, and then discard a card from your hand to draw it. These won't be as fast as Claydol, but they will work.
2. Run a deck that doesn't need a Pokemon-based draw engine. My current league owner makes decks that consist of 12-20 energy, 20-26 trainers, and 6 Pokemon or so. Such an absurdly focused deck NEVER needs Claydol - he sets up with no problems at all. Use 4/4 Bebe's/Roseanne's, then Quick and Dusk Balls (prefer Quick if you're short on space). You can't have a complex setup with this, but my LO can make a Darkrai swarm deck that's actually rather effective this way - a little slow, granted, but effective. He also ran Butterfree GE + Shaymin Lv. X (both).
And SECRET OPTION NUMBER THREE:
3. ARCEUS [del]IS NOT A MEME[/del] DOESN'T USE CLAYDOL/UXIE
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Qwachansey
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You don't need Claydol or Uxie to have a good time playing. Ignore the rude comments; my 1st deck was fine without these cards. Sure, it improved with them, but it was always playable.
Search through scans and find a card you really like! I always scroll through cards and think "Wow, that's really good!" - try that! An example that comes to mind is a Wormadam deck. I used this at a Prerelease and it was not bad at all, and that's without any "staples"!
Good luck!
Search through scans and find a card you really like! I always scroll through cards and think "Wow, that's really good!" - try that! An example that comes to mind is a Wormadam deck. I used this at a Prerelease and it was not bad at all, and that's without any "staples"!
Good luck!
emodicer
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Well, Claydol and Uxie can't be used in prereleases, so results can vary... A deck that does well in a prerelease does not guarantee that the similar deck will do well in Modified play.
@ topic:
I know where you're coming from thinking that Claydol and Uxie removes the "uniqueness" in a deck. I had the same notion before I was able to obtain those staples (and adamantly tried making a deck that can set-up without Cosmic Power, but to no avail). However, as I've found out to my own cost, more often than not, I found myself topdecking during mid-late game and just hoping to get the crucial cards. It is very disadvantageous since it is the time when some of your Pokemon are KO'd and not having crucial cards like Night Maintenance when you need it makes it difficult for you to make a comeback.
Decks that can succeed in setting up without such draw power usually have a few Pokemon and more space dedicated to Trainers (Quick Ball, Dusk Ball) and draw Supporters (POV, Volkner's, Felicity's Drawing). Needless to say, it will be very difficult to run a deck consisting of Stage 2s with lots of 1-0-1 techs (just to cite an example) without the aid of Claydol. Like the others have suggested, you can try Porygon-Z or Scizor SF with Cherrim SF. I don't know if Scizor-Cherrim is still viable in the format but maybe it has a chance with the arrival of Expert Belt.
DIZZtheWHIZZ
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Quoted for truth.
supertyranitar
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This feels like such a level.
Claydol/Uxie are components of decks that are a must, simply because consistency is a must have as well. I don't understand why one wouldn't run them for the sake of being unique when there's no sense involved to do so. Uniqueness is all fine and dandy, but if it costs you consistency, then it's going to cost you wins...and yeah...that's not fun. ;/
Claydol/Uxie are components of decks that are a must, simply because consistency is a must have as well. I don't understand why one wouldn't run them for the sake of being unique when there's no sense involved to do so. Uniqueness is all fine and dandy, but if it costs you consistency, then it's going to cost you wins...and yeah...that's not fun. ;/
elekid_957
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you could play something like sableye and T-Tar without uxie. it would be slower than with uxie, but it's the best i can think of here =P
Ninjask88
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Okay when you guys say that a deck needs to be consistent arent you saying that you want it to be the same setup every single time you play? I can see why you need those cards then. I was thinking of a deck with multiple strategies involved that will be able to win under almost all circumstances because it doesnt depend on one certain card or combo to do the work. What I am trying to acheive here is a whole new look at the game that will bring rise to a whole new style. A style where a deck doesnt revolve around one key point but around multiple ones that get the job done of winning the match.
I am not being stubborn I am just trying to reinvent this card game so it isnt the same thing every single time that you play a deck. I do not see the fun in a deck where you always bring the same pokemon up every single time and you win the same way every time. I want my deck to have the possibility to win in a variety of unique ways that will make me happy to see what combo comes up at me this time.
I am not being stubborn I am just trying to reinvent this card game so it isnt the same thing every single time that you play a deck. I do not see the fun in a deck where you always bring the same pokemon up every single time and you win the same way every time. I want my deck to have the possibility to win in a variety of unique ways that will make me happy to see what combo comes up at me this time.
Absoltrainer
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Here's a fun story.
At my league there was a Senior who refused to use Roseanne's Research. Claimed it was the worst card in the format, never ran it. I made an identical deck to him with the exception that I ran 4 rosys in it. I bet him bragging rights I would beat him every time.
6 games later he refused to admit rosy was a good card and called it dumb luck. I proceeded to use my normal deck, also running 4 rosys against him. I won another 4 times. He proceeded to do horrible at the BR the next day, and promplty accused me of a being a cheater....then he quit.
At my league there was a Senior who refused to use Roseanne's Research. Claimed it was the worst card in the format, never ran it. I made an identical deck to him with the exception that I ran 4 rosys in it. I bet him bragging rights I would beat him every time.
6 games later he refused to admit rosy was a good card and called it dumb luck. I proceeded to use my normal deck, also running 4 rosys against him. I won another 4 times. He proceeded to do horrible at the BR the next day, and promplty accused me of a being a cheater....then he quit.
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