rhodesia123
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seriously who cares. stop arguing about last season and start living in the present. the US now has more invites so all is good with the world yes?
Rating Invites for the 2007-2008 season Updated 4 October!!!!!!
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TcgPlayer2006
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Hahahahaa ok man i am sure that i will not see you at Worlds, seeya everybody in Orlando! =)
DragonairMaster8
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Prime: I can't believe you're so anti-American. It's just sickening. Well, actually I can. When you know you have no shot at Worlds, you have to bash your own country and demand that everyone else gets "equal opportunity", even though it's been pointed out in your face SEVERAL times that giving a country with 400 players in the 15+ four invites at a Nationals isn't equal opportunity, whatsoever.
Ross is right: We have the most players and we should get the most invites. I'm sorry all of you don't realize how difficult it is to get an invite here when you're facing Worlds calibur players EVERY tournament in multiples the ENTIRE season, in virtually anywhere in the U.S.
FYI: Pablo didn't earn his invite by beating up Battle Roads, he earned it by coming to the best country in the world and 1st/2nding two Regionals.
Ross is right: We have the most players and we should get the most invites. I'm sorry all of you don't realize how difficult it is to get an invite here when you're facing Worlds calibur players EVERY tournament in multiples the ENTIRE season, in virtually anywhere in the U.S.
FYI: Pablo didn't earn his invite by beating up Battle Roads, he earned it by coming to the best country in the world and 1st/2nding two Regionals.
Cyrus
Iron Chef - Master Emeritus
Saying that it "won't" happen is the first step to making the problem worse.
This is a self-fulfilling prophecy: if we tell ourselves that it will never get fixed, and lower our standards as players, then it will NOT! However, many outspoken people around the world pointed out how ridiculous it was to give the United States only four guaranteed spots in worlds (rankings don't count too much because Americans are pooled in WITH Mexicans and Canadians), and BECAUSE this was directly pointed out, the policy changed, and now we have much better, much more proportional invites for Americans.
Prime, the Europeans are not the proletariat, we Americans aren't the bourgeoisies, and this CERTAINLY isn't a conflict theory coming to fruition.
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Articjedi
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In that case the number of invites should be proportional by country, that way EVERYONE has an equal chance of making it in. If you really want to talk about fairness in invites, the closer the invites is to the correct proportions, the better. Yes, it does mean adding more North American trips, but as I said, it should be equal for everyone. The way the previous system worked, it was harder for North American players in general to make it to worlds, now we'll get a better sampling.
ryanvergel
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Chad and Kettler always rocking argumentation.
I agree with Chad. We have the most players, contribute the most money (I'm sure lol), and should get the most invites. At least PROPORTIONAL invites. INVITES- not trips. I don't care about trips. I want the US to get a deserving amount of invites.
I mean, PUI obviously agreed with us last year. We went from 4 invites to 8 invites (4 trips 4 no-trips). We also got more rating invites.
We spoke, and our voices were heard. That is why we will KEEP speaking. The 'gym is like a little pool to conduct research. If a good number of the 'gym members make articulated arguments as to why we should get such and such, why wouldn't they at least see and listen to them, and possibly consider their validity and practicality?
We're all practical people here. I don't want 10,000 invites for the US. I'd like invites to be proportional to our player base is all. Is that really a lot to ask for?
Arcticjedi is right also. If we want to make it EQUAL chances to get to worlds, then invites should be proportional. Otherwise some countries get an unfair advantage. Last year the US had a HUGELY unfair advantage to get to worlds.
I agree with Chad. We have the most players, contribute the most money (I'm sure lol), and should get the most invites. At least PROPORTIONAL invites. INVITES- not trips. I don't care about trips. I want the US to get a deserving amount of invites.
I mean, PUI obviously agreed with us last year. We went from 4 invites to 8 invites (4 trips 4 no-trips). We also got more rating invites.
We spoke, and our voices were heard. That is why we will KEEP speaking. The 'gym is like a little pool to conduct research. If a good number of the 'gym members make articulated arguments as to why we should get such and such, why wouldn't they at least see and listen to them, and possibly consider their validity and practicality?
We're all practical people here. I don't want 10,000 invites for the US. I'd like invites to be proportional to our player base is all. Is that really a lot to ask for?
Arcticjedi is right also. If we want to make it EQUAL chances to get to worlds, then invites should be proportional. Otherwise some countries get an unfair advantage. Last year the US had a HUGELY unfair advantage to get to worlds.
IvesRountree
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Watch what you say if you dont know for sure, Pablo only got around 10 points for his Texas involvement, and he DID win his trip through an amazing stretch on BR (he did went x-0 enough times, proving himself worthy of his trip), because if his score was to remain as it was after Mexico Nats, he would have not gotten it, and please, try not to sound so aggresive on your posts, we are trying to have a mature conversation, and i do felt your post as being agresive.
As for the best country on the world? it is still debatable that japan is better after this years results, though I do clearly agree that USA has the most sales, and hence should get the most support in general terms, its basic business logic after all. I partly agree with Ryan then, It shouldnt be proportional to player base, but it should be to sales; lets say for example Mexico, we have a huge player base, arguably bigger than Canada, though I am not certain, and the main reason we dont have regionals is because the lack of sales from our local D, lets face it, 90% of the product bought and sold in Mexico comes from grey market, and such, the Local D isnt making money off it, therefore it is clear we are not having a regional for a time to come, is that right? I think so, there are specialized channels for a reason, and sales is what gives us such a great OP, better than most games have, so the goal should be to increase sales, right?
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NoPoke
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4 paid trips for a 400 player nationals. There were nationals that had higher ratios than the USA.
I don't like the numbers based arguments! The moment you shoot one down the assumptions get changed and another equally dodgy argument pops up. Usually its the we have better players argument next :/.
The sales based arguments are tricky too. First we don't actually know the sales numbers and second the whole of Europe has gone grey with Mysterious Treasures. The weak dollar and skewed release schedules will inflate the USA sales figures. I'm not surprised that POP are paying for the majority of Nationals winners this year.
Where does this leave any of us if numerical arguments don't work? Well complaining just won't work. In any system there is always someone else worse off. So start by looking to see how others are disadvantaged before demanding more for yourselves.
Cyrus: I suspect that the changes to this years season were driven by a global view on what happened last year and not a USA+Canada+Mexico centered viewpoint. I believe that the majority of big issues arising form the operation of the rating system came from Europe.
I don't like the numbers based arguments! The moment you shoot one down the assumptions get changed and another equally dodgy argument pops up. Usually its the we have better players argument next :/.
The sales based arguments are tricky too. First we don't actually know the sales numbers and second the whole of Europe has gone grey with Mysterious Treasures. The weak dollar and skewed release schedules will inflate the USA sales figures. I'm not surprised that POP are paying for the majority of Nationals winners this year.
Where does this leave any of us if numerical arguments don't work? Well complaining just won't work. In any system there is always someone else worse off. So start by looking to see how others are disadvantaged before demanding more for yourselves.
Cyrus: I suspect that the changes to this years season were driven by a global view on what happened last year and not a USA+Canada+Mexico centered viewpoint. I believe that the majority of big issues arising form the operation of the rating system came from Europe.
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NoPoke
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ryanvergel said:
YES! It is too much. Ask for that and you will be forever dissapointed.
I doubt that such equality is in POP's mission statement (if they have one) I doubt that it is on their top 10 or even top 100 list of goals for OP. If you are going to ask for something at least ask for something that is alligned with OPs goals.
Sales based arguements: Zero USA card sales into Japan so they should get zero invites?
player base: Japans player base probably excedes the USA so Japan should have the highest representation and not the USA. Japanese sweep every year???
numbers based arguments just don't cut it.
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Be carefull what you ask for because you just might get it. The USA's population is swamped by the rest of the world.
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Worlds: Its called worlds because lots of countries get to join in.
Its not up to us to decide who gets to play at worlds.
The majority of the pokemon playing community doesn't get anything like the play opportunities that are heaped upon the USA players.
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SuperWooper
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This line right here doesn't make much sense to me. Why would we ask for something that's already on the OP agenda? If there are things we want done that aren't on their to-do list, then the best way to draw their attention to them is to ask about them, not say, "Well, here are our demands X, Y, and Z, but you don't seem to be considering those at the moment, so we'll just wait until you get around to it."
NoPoke
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I agree that there is little point in asking for something that is already being provided. But there is equally little point to asking for something that is not one of the goals for OP: Don't bother asking for something that is never going to be provided.
I highly doubt that it is a goal of OP to have the number of invites proportional to player base.
POP currently do provide a very crude degree of proportionality to invites. But it can never be exact. How on earth do you deal with fractions of players for example. Asking for anything above the crude proportionality that we currently have just misses the point of OP which is in no small part to generate brand loyalty and support continued sales. Small markets will not grow by being ignored or neglected.
I highly doubt that it is a goal of OP to have the number of invites proportional to player base.
POP currently do provide a very crude degree of proportionality to invites. But it can never be exact. How on earth do you deal with fractions of players for example. Asking for anything above the crude proportionality that we currently have just misses the point of OP which is in no small part to generate brand loyalty and support continued sales. Small markets will not grow by being ignored or neglected.
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The_Envoy_of_Chaos
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Wins thread.
I really don't see what all the fuss is about. Worlds is THE top event for Pokemon TCG. If you're not good enough to win enough points, then you don't get in. Simple as that. Complianing that there is not enough invites isn't going to fix anything. Just deal with it and concerntrate on PLAYING the game so you have a chance of getting to worlds on a paid trip.
It must be difficult to read the proportion of invites that should go to players in relation to overall sales in a country, especially when considering the extent of parallel importing and secondary sales that cross political borders. In the end, the card-maker is still the font of goodness and our pennies eventually trickle back to that source - fake cards not withstanding. The proportion on invites can more readily be worked out from what eventually ends up in PUI's bag from all sales, and then how much they can afford to give out on invites worldwide. How much Japan's OP body contributes to PUI's bag specifically to help out their invitees is also another factor, unknown to me.
The ability of OP providers in non-US/Japanense countries to provide paid invites is problematic in so many ways, and cannot be relied upon to provide paid invites. I think this is why PUI seems to have taken on more of this responsibility than previously. The extent of the gray market and the amplifying effect given it because of the non-synchronous releases of sets can be too much to bear for these OP providers, especially as they are usually single, non-specialized businesses covering too many bases. They usually have no competition to spur them on, and less incentive to provide OP support if their bottom line depends on many other gaming systems. There is little focus and not enough incentive to make the continual efforts to gain then maintain such focus. This scenario (generally) spreads the OP providers too thin to make a really solid foundation for excellent OP management and the provision for paid invites, both of the rating and premier types. Because of these issues, more invites will likely only be generated directly by PUI through the profitability afforded through overall sales worldwide, probably even if set synchronicity is one day established.
A country that has some (not too few) invites to Worlds is still going to generate keen interest in competing and continuing the generation of sales that trickle back to the card maker. Giving too many more invites to a country that already has some (more than a few) might not be seen as being as economically efficient as giving more invites to a country that has a less than best-tapped player potential and a small number of invites. I see this as the case with Australia. We went from 3 guaranteed invites to 3+ invites last season. the "+" really got us working to attend Premier tournaments, and generate more sales/trading activity, imo. These smaller markets may potentially grow proportionally more than an already well-established Pokemon nation. Providing more support through PUI's Premier Tournament model leading to World invites, can act to boost a player base, boost sales, and ultimately boost the number of invites each country could get in an optimized worldwide OP.
None of this involves questions on the relationship between the number of strong competitors and their ability/difficulty to win invites. There is likely the bigger, strategic economic view, as I've briefly touched on, to consider first.
The ability of OP providers in non-US/Japanense countries to provide paid invites is problematic in so many ways, and cannot be relied upon to provide paid invites. I think this is why PUI seems to have taken on more of this responsibility than previously. The extent of the gray market and the amplifying effect given it because of the non-synchronous releases of sets can be too much to bear for these OP providers, especially as they are usually single, non-specialized businesses covering too many bases. They usually have no competition to spur them on, and less incentive to provide OP support if their bottom line depends on many other gaming systems. There is little focus and not enough incentive to make the continual efforts to gain then maintain such focus. This scenario (generally) spreads the OP providers too thin to make a really solid foundation for excellent OP management and the provision for paid invites, both of the rating and premier types. Because of these issues, more invites will likely only be generated directly by PUI through the profitability afforded through overall sales worldwide, probably even if set synchronicity is one day established.
A country that has some (not too few) invites to Worlds is still going to generate keen interest in competing and continuing the generation of sales that trickle back to the card maker. Giving too many more invites to a country that already has some (more than a few) might not be seen as being as economically efficient as giving more invites to a country that has a less than best-tapped player potential and a small number of invites. I see this as the case with Australia. We went from 3 guaranteed invites to 3+ invites last season. the "+" really got us working to attend Premier tournaments, and generate more sales/trading activity, imo. These smaller markets may potentially grow proportionally more than an already well-established Pokemon nation. Providing more support through PUI's Premier Tournament model leading to World invites, can act to boost a player base, boost sales, and ultimately boost the number of invites each country could get in an optimized worldwide OP.
None of this involves questions on the relationship between the number of strong competitors and their ability/difficulty to win invites. There is likely the bigger, strategic economic view, as I've briefly touched on, to consider first.
Did I stir some emotions? Maybe...
And when you have no other real way to counter an argument than restating obvious information, you attack the skill of the person speaking. Way to go. You must have learned that tactic in debate class. Scizor, I don't care one bit if I ever get to play at Worlds. This game isn't all about winning. One day you will quit because you don't win enough or one day you will go home with a :nonono: because you got donked. All the time I will be :lol: at all your comments and having the most fun I can because I love this game on levels you will never understand. Stop seeing this invite thing from your perspective and start seeing it from the whole. The ratios will never be equal. The US is just too big and has too many players to actually make the ratios fair and not take all the invites away from everyone else (PUI has a budget of course). And you can't change something by whining about it. Let the higher up's know you don't like it, make it obvious, and just leave it at that. If they feel they need to change it, they will. But continuously trying to grab onto something you "deserve" is a waste of time.
Frogs won't ever fly. It's a statement that makes sense. Why can't I apply it to this game? Do you really think PUI would ever have the budget enough to give 10% of the players in this game invites to Worlds? We read all those comments about how it's not fair because there were nationals that got 1 invite for 10 people. Boo Hoo. If PUI gave every country 10% invites, Worlds would be over 1000 people. Well over 2000 people if I had to guess. There'd be no way to run the tournament efficiently and the whole thing would be a mess. And even then, the difficulty of getting to Worlds would be lowered drastically. You, your brother, and your grandma could get in. Wow, looks like your whole family is world-championship material (not you Cryus, just general you). See where I am going? PUI has to do the best they can. I felt last year was the best year ever invite-wise. It was actually difficult to get to Worlds. There were a lot of people that had to work really hard to get to Worlds. This year, you just need to win tournaments and get your invite up to the top 20-something and get an invite. So now it's much easier to make it through invites, and people are going to focus even more on it. I expect whining around the time of states/regionals because there won't be enough of them to go to, but that's another subject.
You say that the ratings were changed because the public spoke out. But you have no proof of that. If anything, they were changed because Worlds is being held in the US, and PUI can save a lot of money by giving out invites without trips (all rating invites are trip-less). My explanation makes more sense than yours, because US players complain all the time. So one could say that every good change in this game is due to US players complaining. I wonder if there are international forums where people just complain non-stop 24 hours a day about the system in their country. They might have reason to since much of the international community gets jipped when it comes to certain aspects of the game. Hmm...
I have no idea what you said last. Wikipedia, here I come!
Not going to happen, sorry.
It's always going to be harder for US players to make it to Worlds. We have some of the best players in this game. And a whole lot of them too! If there was a tournament like the Tropical Mega Battle or some "mega" tournament held each year, I could see people's fantasies coming true and the US getting a lot of invites to it. But this won't happen to Worlds. Worlds is not about just playing and seeing who is the best. It's about people representing their country. Countries coming together to play the only WORLD championship. Each country sends, now watch this term, some of their best, and they battle it out.
This is how the World Championship has been, and this is how the World Championship will always be. Wasn't last year a good clue to that?
I think everyone would like a Tropical Mega Battle tournament back in the system. A tournament that feels like Worlds with people from other countries but allows each country to send a ratio of their players. Suggesting this wouldn't be too bad of an idea, but would never really come to fruition since PUI has a budget and they couldn't afford to hold 2 huge tournaments a year. But I think people truly look at Worlds and want to see something like this, and kind of lose sight of what Worlds is all about.
I bet your attitude would change if Worlds moved to France one year. Invites without trips would look stupid if Worlds wasn't held in the US every year and held in North America every year but one.
Invites (no-trips) are free to give out. Worlds in Florida saves a lot of money, and they can afford to invite more people. PUI doesn't obviously agree with you and the other player's complaints. You can't prove that just by what has happened this year.
HUGELY unfair advantage? It'd say it was a bit of an advantage having Nationals AND ratings. Canada didn't get any invites through ratings. It wasn't possible for them to. Neither did Mexico. Heck, most international countries didn't get rating invites. They just got 1 shot at Nationals. Talk about tricky. You have to come in first or you don't go to Worlds. I'd like to see that in the US for one year and see the players cry murder.
The US might not have EQUAL chances to get to Worlds, but they are given more chances than any other country in the world. They are endlessly catered to each year, while many OPs around the World rot away. Saying it is hard for US players to get to Worlds is relative. It might seem hard to us, but I bet you any canadian or mexican would love to have our "hard" system. We are very fortunate, and I am appreciative of every we do have as a player base. I know many of my friends would feel really sad if the US only got to send one players each year to Worlds. But this year, they have many more chances to get to Worlds, and I hope they do.
I'm sorry everyone that Worlds is not what you want it to be. I have no grief over how it is, so I don't really complain about it. I'm happy to have Worlds all together. But I guess that isn't enough for everyone. Maybe one year, Worlds will be the Worlds you want it to be. With thousands of players from around the World with proportional invites. Maybe if Bill Gates bought Nintendo and funneled his money through PUI, maybe he could make something like this happen. It's always some to wish for.
And remember...if you don't like something...complain!
And when you have no other real way to counter an argument than restating obvious information, you attack the skill of the person speaking. Way to go. You must have learned that tactic in debate class. Scizor, I don't care one bit if I ever get to play at Worlds. This game isn't all about winning. One day you will quit because you don't win enough or one day you will go home with a :nonono: because you got donked. All the time I will be :lol: at all your comments and having the most fun I can because I love this game on levels you will never understand. Stop seeing this invite thing from your perspective and start seeing it from the whole. The ratios will never be equal. The US is just too big and has too many players to actually make the ratios fair and not take all the invites away from everyone else (PUI has a budget of course). And you can't change something by whining about it. Let the higher up's know you don't like it, make it obvious, and just leave it at that. If they feel they need to change it, they will. But continuously trying to grab onto something you "deserve" is a waste of time.
Frogs won't ever fly. It's a statement that makes sense. Why can't I apply it to this game? Do you really think PUI would ever have the budget enough to give 10% of the players in this game invites to Worlds? We read all those comments about how it's not fair because there were nationals that got 1 invite for 10 people. Boo Hoo. If PUI gave every country 10% invites, Worlds would be over 1000 people. Well over 2000 people if I had to guess. There'd be no way to run the tournament efficiently and the whole thing would be a mess. And even then, the difficulty of getting to Worlds would be lowered drastically. You, your brother, and your grandma could get in. Wow, looks like your whole family is world-championship material (not you Cryus, just general you). See where I am going? PUI has to do the best they can. I felt last year was the best year ever invite-wise. It was actually difficult to get to Worlds. There were a lot of people that had to work really hard to get to Worlds. This year, you just need to win tournaments and get your invite up to the top 20-something and get an invite. So now it's much easier to make it through invites, and people are going to focus even more on it. I expect whining around the time of states/regionals because there won't be enough of them to go to, but that's another subject.
You say that the ratings were changed because the public spoke out. But you have no proof of that. If anything, they were changed because Worlds is being held in the US, and PUI can save a lot of money by giving out invites without trips (all rating invites are trip-less). My explanation makes more sense than yours, because US players complain all the time. So one could say that every good change in this game is due to US players complaining. I wonder if there are international forums where people just complain non-stop 24 hours a day about the system in their country. They might have reason to since much of the international community gets jipped when it comes to certain aspects of the game. Hmm...
I have no idea what you said last. Wikipedia, here I come!
Not going to happen, sorry.
It's always going to be harder for US players to make it to Worlds. We have some of the best players in this game. And a whole lot of them too! If there was a tournament like the Tropical Mega Battle or some "mega" tournament held each year, I could see people's fantasies coming true and the US getting a lot of invites to it. But this won't happen to Worlds. Worlds is not about just playing and seeing who is the best. It's about people representing their country. Countries coming together to play the only WORLD championship. Each country sends, now watch this term, some of their best, and they battle it out.
This is how the World Championship has been, and this is how the World Championship will always be. Wasn't last year a good clue to that?
I think everyone would like a Tropical Mega Battle tournament back in the system. A tournament that feels like Worlds with people from other countries but allows each country to send a ratio of their players. Suggesting this wouldn't be too bad of an idea, but would never really come to fruition since PUI has a budget and they couldn't afford to hold 2 huge tournaments a year. But I think people truly look at Worlds and want to see something like this, and kind of lose sight of what Worlds is all about.
I bet your attitude would change if Worlds moved to France one year. Invites without trips would look stupid if Worlds wasn't held in the US every year and held in North America every year but one.
Invites (no-trips) are free to give out. Worlds in Florida saves a lot of money, and they can afford to invite more people. PUI doesn't obviously agree with you and the other player's complaints. You can't prove that just by what has happened this year.
HUGELY unfair advantage? It'd say it was a bit of an advantage having Nationals AND ratings. Canada didn't get any invites through ratings. It wasn't possible for them to. Neither did Mexico. Heck, most international countries didn't get rating invites. They just got 1 shot at Nationals. Talk about tricky. You have to come in first or you don't go to Worlds. I'd like to see that in the US for one year and see the players cry murder.
The US might not have EQUAL chances to get to Worlds, but they are given more chances than any other country in the world. They are endlessly catered to each year, while many OPs around the World rot away. Saying it is hard for US players to get to Worlds is relative. It might seem hard to us, but I bet you any canadian or mexican would love to have our "hard" system. We are very fortunate, and I am appreciative of every we do have as a player base. I know many of my friends would feel really sad if the US only got to send one players each year to Worlds. But this year, they have many more chances to get to Worlds, and I hope they do.
I'm sorry everyone that Worlds is not what you want it to be. I have no grief over how it is, so I don't really complain about it. I'm happy to have Worlds all together. But I guess that isn't enough for everyone. Maybe one year, Worlds will be the Worlds you want it to be. With thousands of players from around the World with proportional invites. Maybe if Bill Gates bought Nintendo and funneled his money through PUI, maybe he could make something like this happen. It's always some to wish for.
And remember...if you don't like something...complain!
JandPDS
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Can't we all just agree....
Everybody can't we all just find some common ground and thank POP that the changes that they made in the 2007-2008 season worlds invite structure are all positive and far superior to the ones that were in place for last season.
The Worlds 2008 Tournament is going to be far bigger then last years was, and it is going to be easier for top players from all countries with Pokemon Organized play to get the chance to compete in Orlando then it was for last year in Hawaii.
So I wish there would be less bickering about the negatives and more discussion of the many positives of this upcoming season leading to Worlds 2008.
Everybody can't we all just find some common ground and thank POP that the changes that they made in the 2007-2008 season worlds invite structure are all positive and far superior to the ones that were in place for last season.
The Worlds 2008 Tournament is going to be far bigger then last years was, and it is going to be easier for top players from all countries with Pokemon Organized play to get the chance to compete in Orlando then it was for last year in Hawaii.
So I wish there would be less bickering about the negatives and more discussion of the many positives of this upcoming season leading to Worlds 2008.
Pidgeotto Trainer
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Prime, there is just no logic in giving one group a 1/400 chance of getting to worlds and one group a 1/10. The World Championship is for the world's best. If the US has half of all the players in the world (for example), then they probably have 32 of the best 64 players in the world. Don't bring up interest in the game. I would be way more excited to have a shot at the 1 invite in my 20 person nats, than to have to get top 4 in a 400 person nats.
Rainbowgym
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LOL - YOUR voices were heard?
IN that case I have to thank you, for the first times in 5 years we (international) players will be sure of a trip to Worlds as prize during our Nationals.
We NEVER had a garanteed trip, it was always waiting for the "goodness" of the LD.
It even happened a trip was taken away 1 week before National and the Nationals winner could not go (unless paying themselves).
I see a very different goal for this chance.
It looks to me POP actually wants to have the top 2 finishers of most Nationals present at Worlds.
Normally each LD has to pay for 1 trip in each agegroup.
By supplying 1 Trip from POP/PUI ,I think, they hope all LD's will pay for the second trip. ( I don't think they can force them to do this, however I hope that is the case).
The countries who are NOT getting a POP/PUI trip for Nationals seems to me the ones who have not enough sales/players/OP??? (don't know which reason possible a mix).
It's also possible it serves a second goal, a long term plan to divide OP from the (Int) distributors. Not sure if this is true, maybe it's only wishfull thinking.
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