ShuckleLVX
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Anytime I hear about how badly an 'established' deck does against someones 'SD', I can't help but giggle. I'm sorry, your SD is either bad, or something most good players have already seen and tweaked.
ReshiBoar Sucks
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Porii Sames
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We have had no tournaments yet.
As far as I'm concerned, ReshiBoar isn't an "established" deck yet. It might be, most likely will be. But not yet.
As far as I'm concerned, ReshiBoar isn't an "established" deck yet. It might be, most likely will be. But not yet.
... So there are no established decks yet, correct?
Porii Sames
Active Member
In my opinion, no. Since we haven't had a single tournament since the rotation.
toxictaipan
New Member
Yep, all that play testing everyone has done clearly wasn't being used to establish the best decks of the new format. No way.
Tylertyphlosion
New Member
Agreed.
but here is what I have to add.
Reshiboar needs Shuckle not Ninetales.
Reshiphlosion needs Ninetales and that is that.
Personally, I hate Reshiboar with Ninetales. It is a COMPLETELY different deck than Reshiboar with Shuckle.
Either I would play ReshiShuckleBoar or Reshiphlosion. Both are super consistent and can draw like crazy, while Reshiboar with Ninetales isnt all that it could be.
Victory Bell
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^You're right about Typh being overall a fundamentally better card in Reshi-blank than Emboar but how do you expect to beat anything with Typh? Doing ten to a Reshiram leaves it open to revenge kills from Donphan, Zekrom, other Reshiram, Zoroark, to an extent jumpluff/Cinncino, and even more.
But overall Reshi-blank just pales in comparison to Magnezone (the predicted BDIF). Zone had more open space to work with (not much but some) and has a legit secondary attacker in RDL or attack Boar. It looks good on paper and while not playing against another deck but put it next to something like Zone which can OHKO it all day long or Samurott, It's just a worse version of Magneboar that has no better matchups.
But overall Reshi-blank just pales in comparison to Magnezone (the predicted BDIF). Zone had more open space to work with (not much but some) and has a legit secondary attacker in RDL or attack Boar. It looks good on paper and while not playing against another deck but put it next to something like Zone which can OHKO it all day long or Samurott, It's just a worse version of Magneboar that has no better matchups.
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It's worked in the past (LBS, Metanite).
Naki Feralkin
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Thats why you run it with decks that have mega draw power. Magnezone comes to mind. The synergy here is way better than it was with Regirock, and that was some sick synergy there.
No offense to anyone who is highly ranked, but your ranking means NOTHING in this national format. Stop floating it around.
Do not get me wrong, I'm sure that a fair chunk of the "highly rated" players will do well in this format. However, we are coming out of almost 3 years of SP, have a tech for everything, the best decks were widely known, netdecking (and winning with netdecks), stale to death format. The ratings that were compiled over this season should not hold much weight in the next format. At least not until the best players in this new format establish themselves.
Again, I'm sorry if I offended anyone. I hope you all the best of luck, but your high rankings were compiled in a completely different format.
Do not get me wrong, I'm sure that a fair chunk of the "highly rated" players will do well in this format. However, we are coming out of almost 3 years of SP, have a tech for everything, the best decks were widely known, netdecking (and winning with netdecks), stale to death format. The ratings that were compiled over this season should not hold much weight in the next format. At least not until the best players in this new format establish themselves.
Again, I'm sorry if I offended anyone. I hope you all the best of luck, but your high rankings were compiled in a completely different format.
Victory Bell
Member
Where the heck did that come from? 
And they do still matter. Some random person isn't just going to come out of the woodwork and take Nats just because the format is different. The people who are highly rated aren't going to bomb for the same reason. If you've been playing for at least 3 years you would know that the same people typically always win/place.
And they do still matter. Some random person isn't just going to come out of the woodwork and take Nats just because the format is different. The people who are highly rated aren't going to bomb for the same reason. If you've been playing for at least 3 years you would know that the same people typically always win/place.
Rogue Archetype
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I don't even like this thread and I'm just hoping that the discussion actually contributes to SOME sort of useful knowledge of the deck aforementioned.
"reshiboar sucks"... " I have a great list and it sucks" .. c'mon man.
What are your intentions for this post?
Perhaps the real question is " how do I make my list consistent without giving it out to everyone?"
If you're a good player, you won't be borrowing entire lists to play AT TOURNAMENT in the first place; you'd be getting a few tech/draw tips and playing out the kincs.
c'mon Porri. You can do better than this fishnet method man...
Try asking for some SPECIFIC tips for the ReshiBoar scheme and don't post generalities at an attempt to FISH out ideas... :/
"reshiboar sucks"... " I have a great list and it sucks" .. c'mon man.
What are your intentions for this post?
Perhaps the real question is " how do I make my list consistent without giving it out to everyone?"
If you're a good player, you won't be borrowing entire lists to play AT TOURNAMENT in the first place; you'd be getting a few tech/draw tips and playing out the kincs.
c'mon Porri. You can do better than this fishnet method man...
Try asking for some SPECIFIC tips for the ReshiBoar scheme and don't post generalities at an attempt to FISH out ideas... :/
Porii Sames
Active Member
@RA
Well, I was just kinda wanting to know if other people were having the same problem that I was having with ReshiBoar, as I felt it was very hyped, but it hasn't done good at all in my testing.
Also, I'm not playing ReshiBoar at Nats. I want a good list so I can do good with my testing of my lists. Netdecking for testing. Not netdecking for playing.
I spose I will test out ReshiPhlosion either tonight or tomorrow and see if it's any better.
Well, I was just kinda wanting to know if other people were having the same problem that I was having with ReshiBoar, as I felt it was very hyped, but it hasn't done good at all in my testing.
Also, I'm not playing ReshiBoar at Nats. I want a good list so I can do good with my testing of my lists. Netdecking for testing. Not netdecking for playing.
I spose I will test out ReshiPhlosion either tonight or tomorrow and see if it's any better.
I find Reshi-phlosion to be more consistent and less susceptible to Judge/Slowking disruption than Reshiboar, personally.
Reshiboar leans heavily on Energy Retrieval and Junk Arms to keep up its offense throughout the game, and Ninetales' draw power, though helpful in one way, hurts this need for energy overall. Trainer lock would pose a serious long-term problem.
Reshiphlosion not only takes advantage of Ninetales' energy discards, it has protection against hand distruption like Judge, as there's nothing to my knowlegde in the HGSS format that can touch your opponent's discard pile. Additionally, Afterburner's "negative" side-effect of placing a damage counter on the pokemon allows Reshiram to take out a baby pokemon with Outrage as oppose to Blue Flare and losing two energies. Once you have a Ninetales, Typhlosion, and Reshiram, you can chain Reshirams and Blue Flares with ease with little to no support from your hand asside from Revives and the need to have one energy in your hand to attach to Reshiram. While you're doing this, it becomes a piece of cake to set up a second Typhlosion, further aiding you in that you can power up a new Reshiram in a single turn (say.. after you lose your active Reshiram), and yes, I have proven this via testing in multiple matches.
Now, I realize that I'm coming across as saying that Reshi-phlosion is superior to Reshi-boar. While I DO believe that the Typhlosion varient is marginally better, Reshiboar also has its own advantages in that they don't have a power that places damages counters on their pokemon while they're accelerating energy. This aids their survivability in the mirror match. That said, they are BOTH good decks. Therefore, neither should be dismissed as "sucky decks." They just simply have their strengths and weaknesses, just like any other deck that has ever existed.
Reshiboar leans heavily on Energy Retrieval and Junk Arms to keep up its offense throughout the game, and Ninetales' draw power, though helpful in one way, hurts this need for energy overall. Trainer lock would pose a serious long-term problem.
Reshiphlosion not only takes advantage of Ninetales' energy discards, it has protection against hand distruption like Judge, as there's nothing to my knowlegde in the HGSS format that can touch your opponent's discard pile. Additionally, Afterburner's "negative" side-effect of placing a damage counter on the pokemon allows Reshiram to take out a baby pokemon with Outrage as oppose to Blue Flare and losing two energies. Once you have a Ninetales, Typhlosion, and Reshiram, you can chain Reshirams and Blue Flares with ease with little to no support from your hand asside from Revives and the need to have one energy in your hand to attach to Reshiram. While you're doing this, it becomes a piece of cake to set up a second Typhlosion, further aiding you in that you can power up a new Reshiram in a single turn (say.. after you lose your active Reshiram), and yes, I have proven this via testing in multiple matches.
Now, I realize that I'm coming across as saying that Reshi-phlosion is superior to Reshi-boar. While I DO believe that the Typhlosion varient is marginally better, Reshiboar also has its own advantages in that they don't have a power that places damages counters on their pokemon while they're accelerating energy. This aids their survivability in the mirror match. That said, they are BOTH good decks. Therefore, neither should be dismissed as "sucky decks." They just simply have their strengths and weaknesses, just like any other deck that has ever existed.
Box of Fail
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Well SDs do sometimes work without most outside parties' figuring it out... see Flytrap.
Infernape Master
New Member
I really like the Reshiboar deck that I've been running and noticed that it has very even matchups accross the board it may lack in early game speed by so dose most decks in this format. I love the deck at the moment.
Porii Sames
Active Member
Even though it's not working for me, it still isn't even fun for me to play. It just seems really boring...Fandango, Roast Reveal, Retrieval, maybe Eeeek, and then Blue Flare. Meh, idk though. I'm probably wrong, lol.
I'd say Emboar/Magnezone is a 'safe' play for Nats.
Nobody knows what's going to be in the format, virtually anything could come out on top. I can see a lot of Stage 2 decks being played, trying to break the format. Rush decks lack the late game capability to survive over a long tournament. Most decks lack the capability of killing these stage 2's. Emboar/Zone can do infinite damage, making it to be a good matchup for X that is a Stage 2. The worst thing to do in a tournament such as Nats is to lose to some absolute garbage because you have a bad matchup vs it. Emboar doesn't lose to random garbage, and thus should be a prudent play for players looking to play a full tournament.
Nobody knows what's going to be in the format, virtually anything could come out on top. I can see a lot of Stage 2 decks being played, trying to break the format. Rush decks lack the late game capability to survive over a long tournament. Most decks lack the capability of killing these stage 2's. Emboar/Zone can do infinite damage, making it to be a good matchup for X that is a Stage 2. The worst thing to do in a tournament such as Nats is to lose to some absolute garbage because you have a bad matchup vs it. Emboar doesn't lose to random garbage, and thus should be a prudent play for players looking to play a full tournament.