Speed Machamp

[jconti2818]

Thanks for the discussion, but maybe when your done eliciting suggestions, I, for one, would be curious to see your personal final deck list if you feel so inclined to publicly post it.

Thanks again and good luck.

 

[Box of Fail]

-1 Machoke (since you're running Stark)
-1 Stark Mountain (BTS is still better, 1 Stark is wonderful though)
-1 Pachirisu (see Relicanth)

+1 Relicanth SV (for SP, outclasses Pachi)
+1-0-1 Metagross LA/ Dusknoir DP (your choice, shouldn't ruin your chances of a donk)

 

[VictorCSS]

I'm currently testing a Machamp/Mesprit combo (Machamp Lock). So far, it's working well. But i'm not sure whether thats the final list because there are many more techs to consider.

 

[VictorCSS]

TOTAL CARDS: 60

POKEMON: 20
Level-Up: 1
1 : Machamp LV.X, SF-98
Stage 2: 3
1 : Machamp, DP-31
2 : Machamp, SF-20
Stage 1: 2
2 : Machoke, SF-41
Basic: 14
1 : Regirock, LA-38
4 : Unown R, LA-77
2 : Mesprit, LA-34
3 : Uxie, LA-43
3 : Machop, DP-86
1 : Unown Q, MD-49

TRAINERS: 31
Trainers: 21
2 : Warp Point, MD-88
2 : Night Maintenance, SW-120
4 : Poke Drawer +, SF-89
4 : Rare Candy, GE-102
4 : Pokedex Handy 910is, PL-114
4 : Super Scoop Up, MD-87
1 : Luxury Ball, SF-86
Supporters: 7
2 : Felicity's Drawing, GE-98
3 : Underground Expedition, RR-97
2 : Roseanne's Research, SW-125
Stadiums: 3
1 : Broken Time-Space, PL-104
2 : Stark Mountain, LA-135

ENERGY: 9
Special Energy: 1
1 : Cyclone Energy, SF-94
Basic Energy: 8
8 : Fighting Energy, DP-128

This is the current decklist i'm testing. Some of you may try the decklist. Comments are welcomed. By the way, i'm hoping to finalise the decklist before the World Championship starts. The decklist that I just posted are what most of you requested. The decklist is called Machamp Lock. Fast, effective and good at end game. No Claydol because I just can't fit in a Claydol. Trying to do so may result in inconsistency.

 

[vietgamer1021]

your lack of bebes search and 2 roseannes disturb me...you only have 7 supporters...

imo the consistency of the deck will falter that way...how fast do you plan to get set up?

 

[FireFighter095ReBorn]

The man who runs my Poke'mon league runs a SpeedChamp deck and is currently ranked 30th in California... From what I can remember, his deck list is something like...

3 Machop
3 Machoke
3 Machamp
1 Machamp X
2 - 2 Claydol
2 Regirock
2 Farfetch'd SF
2 Uxie

2 Stark Mountain
4 Pokedrawer
2 Broken time Space
1 Night Maintenance
3 Felicity's
4 Rare Candy

10 Fighting
2 Call

He gets a lot of Donks using Regirock + Stark Mountain, Farfetch'd + Pokedrawer = amazing tech. All you need is one of each in your opening hand and the game should be yours, no matter if you go first or not.

Is it just me or this only 48 of 60 cards?? Weird how that looks. I tested this with filling in the blacks and it works well. I like the idea. I actually dropped the farfetchd and added azelf and it helped me with the missing pokemon and the what is in my prizes problem.

 

[xcfrisco]

pokes: 20

4-2-3-1 (all SF)
2-2 claydol
2-1 uxie
1 azelf
2 unown g

trainers: 30

4 bebes
4 roseannes
2 rowan/volkners/cynthias/lookers
3 BTS/stark (any combo)
4 poke drawer
1 luxury ball
3 stuff (great ball/pokedex/whatever)
4 rare candy
2 warp point
1 switch
2 TSD/NM

energy: 10

10 fighting

try this plz

for just pure speed machamp, this is hands down the best build I've seen.

 

[VictorCSS]

Lol.
To 095, you must be really unlucky if Azelf always save you.
To xcfrisco, looks good isn't it? But have you try? What was the results like?
To vietgamer1021, number of Supporters doesn't counts. What counts are the results. Inconsistent you say, well it have not lose to any other decks so far other than the mirror itself. How fast? VERY FAST! More than half the deck will be drawn on T1 or T2. Results so far...positive but its better if you try it and see the results rather than just seeing and comment. Action speak louder than words...

 

[xcfrisco]

To xcfrisco, looks good isn't it? But have you try? What was the results like?

for just pure speed machamp, this is hands down the best build I've seen

please note that i never said anything about playtesting. you tell us all to try these builds before we talk; we're not retarded, machamp isn't a rogue deck or anything. everyone and their mom has played their own version of machamp, its not like what we're telling you is garbage/comes from no experience.

now from MY experience, any build of machamp that doesn't win in the first 5 turns is usually screwed. from what i've seen in your posts, your machamp isn't the ideal 5 turn winner (that's viets build IMO). that automatically means your machamp must get in to some mid- to late-game situations in which case your trainer/supporter build isn't optimal because you won't have any new plays that late into the game other than to pray that you get 4 heads every time you use hurricane punch.

please stop telling everyone to playtest their builds before giving you advice, everyone's playtested machamp. its an ultra standard, relatively cheap and effective deck to make. we're just giving you advice. this thread would be half as big if you stopped countering every post, its not a competition.

 

[vietgamer1021]

pokes: 17

4-2-3-1 life
2-1 uxie
4 unown r

trainers: 33

4 bebes
4 roseannes
3 oaks visit
3 stadium
1 lux ball
4 rare candy
4 SSU
4 pokedrawer
4 pokedex
2 nm/tsd

nrg: 10

10 energy

maybe this fits your style better victorCSS

 

[VictorCSS]

Lol. Isn't the ideal? Pray for 4 heads? From a wide view, many decks around rely on Poke Powers. And because of that, I use Mesprit which vietgamer doesn't. My first decklist here was the "ideal" T5 winner but because many said that they want this and that, I made a major change to it which so far, worked smoothly. True that it is not a competition but...there were so many questions and doubts surrounding this deck. If everyone playtested Machamp, why not they use it? The answer is straightforward, it is because there is no COMPETITVE Machamp decklist around. If everyone say that their Machamp is good, why not post the results, make an article or make it proven. I'm aware that most of you gave me the advice and I truly appreciate, but the fact that I reply to every post is to keep the ideas flowing in. Everyone wants a fast and easy match, and that is the reason they use Machamp. Machamp is about speed but with minor or major mistake, it all can go wrong. Thats why, the latest decklist is a consistent deck throughout the whole game. There's many plans using the Machamp Lock. Even vietgamer asked to try his decklist. With the latest decklist, theres hardly time for you to do Hurricane Punch as it is consistent and uses Take Out more and when Mesprit lock powers, Unown G can't do anything to stop it. GG won the last worlds....now its MM's time to win the worlds. (and prove critics wrong i think...)

 

[xcfrisco]

my fault, i actually didn't see you new power lock machamp deck. my post(s) are in reference to the first couple of decks you posted that claim to be really speedy.

 

[VictorCSS]

Ok... No problem.

 

[Wergoheb]

please stop telling everyone to playtest their builds before giving you advice, everyone's playtested machamp.

No, Everybody has GOLDFISHED Machamp. The Regionals/States meta when Machamp was heavily played and the CURRENT Meta are not the same. somethingsomething AN ENTIRE NEW SET. The deck that won US Nats didn't exist at that point in time. Gengar was just starting to creep in popularity, mostly due to the fact Champ was everywhere.

 

[VictorCSS]

Lol.The decks that won the US Nats was Lux Ape. Expect Machamp Lock to overwhelm it just like it just roll over SP decks. Gengar? Lol. I played a Gengar recently and Psychic Bind worked superbly against Gengar as Gengar draw engine is blocked along with Shadow Room + Flash Bite combo. gengar is also one of the easiest deck to play around where Uxie play a deadly role. Gengar can also be KO'd easily by SP decks. Heard of Bright Look that destroy Claydol? I would like to unveil the latest idea which is Machamp Lock. So far, NO LOST. It's also not the weakest of the donks decks. Instead, it is the strongest and most consistent deck. (depend on what techs your Machamp use). Btw, anyone using Dusknoir, Metagross or Lumineon as a tech can forget doing so as I tested intensively and results shows that it is not reliable, not vital and make the deck inconsistent.

 

[Ariadosman]

Do you like the idea of Azelf MT? Because you're using Mespirit, and will almost always have an uxie on the field, azelf MT simply forces opponent SP's to use one more energy to attack.

 

[VictorCSS]

Machamp Lock is not just built for SP decks. From all points of view, Machamp Lock is built to compete with all the decks, not only SP decks. Regirock, Uxie, Mesprit, and Machamp will take the bench while leaving another space for Unown R or some other things just in case something went wrong. Basically, Azelf doen't help that much. Sorry.

 

[Mewtant]

Hey Victor - You seem to be quite the deckbuilder. It's obvious nobody can improve your builds, so I was curious, what are your current rankings? You must be top 10 in the world, right? Also, please post your LuxApe deck as I would highly enjoy seeing a great build run with quickballs and have you tell everyone how it is the best build ever and no one can beat it. LOL. Man, I LOVE your threads!

BTW, I have a great suggestion for your Machamp deck, but you'll hate it anyway, so nevermind.

 

[VictorCSS]

I also LOVE the way you talk. Rankings? Hmm, maybe in the bottom 10 if it exist. This thread is for Machamp, not Lux Ape. If you want the decklist, I can PM it to you. Hope you ENJOY it. You can tell to everyone on behalf of me if you want since you like to be a reporter. Best build ever? Yours must be the best since you know everything about Pokemon (especially with some Quick Balls in it). I think I DID SAY THAT NO ONE CAN DEFEAT IT if SOMEONE TOLD ME that I said it. Heard of Deck Help and Strategies? I love your threads and your posts too. You must be the top 5 in the world right? Then, I should bow to you.

Btw, I would like your great suggestion. Maybe it's the greatest suggestion for Machamp. Who knows, your build may win the Worlds.

 

[Mewtant]

^ Yes, please PM me your LuxApe decklist. That would be fantastic. Please kindly point out where I said I knew everything about Pokemon... on the contrary, I'm still learning all the time and often take the suggestions of others and try them out... something you seem unable to comprehend.

Although, I'm glad you love my threads. And no, I'm not even top 5 in my state, but then again, I have never claimed to have a deck that could win Worlds. You have. I'd be happy to point the spots out in your posts if your memory is poor.

As far as my Machamp suggestion, it is quite good. But I won't win Worlds with it, being that I'm not playing in it. I'm not that good yet. But I never said I was. I look forward to your awesome LuxApe list. Thanks!