Wow okay really contributed there buddy.
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Wow okay really contributed there buddy.
Sorry. Maybe someday I'll do blog posts about chalk beats talk and the luck of champions. Those might make my views more clear. Might. Anyway, please continue. :thumb:
TheDarkTwins
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Last year at the time of Regionals the format was 3 decks. Banette Variants, GG, and Magmortar. I at the time didn't like the format. However compared to this year, I would rather it be last year. You have all these decks that are gearing to try to beat SP decks or everything but SP, but nothing except SP beats both, which I have found to be a serious issue. I would love for this to not be a problem, but it is and that is seriously unfortunate. Dialga Lv. X is fine, I don't have any serious issue with it, but the lower Diagla is way too powerful IMO. Just look at the stats which don't lie and you can see what I am saying. I don't expect it to be banned or anything but it makes you think about it.
Drew
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And what exactly is this whole thread contributing in the first place? It's just a big tl;dr gripe. You don't even know what the point of this thread is; you said so at the end of your first post. I'm sorry you have had bad beats this season but that doesn't make the format bad.
mine is cooler
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If you got donked 3/5 times I wouldn't question what your opponent had.
In a very heavy basic meta what else do you think would happen?
You talked about consistancy in your posts. Doesn't that take some consistancy? Getting exactly what you need as fast as possible and winning as fast as possible. We saw this befor plt ever came out (scisor/cherrum, amu, kingdra, leafeon/glacion, dusknoir)
Don't bash something only for the fact that it's fast, good, and consistant.
Every introduced set has had there "broken deck", Some more than others. complaining about how your deck can't win in this meta is not the card makers fault. If something doesn't work and you lose, it's not your opponent with his gengar, sp, or rampardos deck that should be bashed.
In a very heavy basic meta what else do you think would happen?
You talked about consistancy in your posts. Doesn't that take some consistancy? Getting exactly what you need as fast as possible and winning as fast as possible. We saw this befor plt ever came out (scisor/cherrum, amu, kingdra, leafeon/glacion, dusknoir)
Don't bash something only for the fact that it's fast, good, and consistant.
Every introduced set has had there "broken deck", Some more than others. complaining about how your deck can't win in this meta is not the card makers fault. If something doesn't work and you lose, it's not your opponent with his gengar, sp, or rampardos deck that should be bashed.
What that means is I dont know what i am hoping to accomplish with this thread. I really dont see how the format could change. Your counterpoint to my original post is that this format is fun. What does that have to do with anything that I was talking about? I guess if you like luck-based formats then it would be fun but thats your business and has no reason to be stated here. And yes I have sour grapes but why wouldnt I?
mine is cooler
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Just out of curiosity, what deck did you run at regionals?
As previously stated I ran Plox. Me and James Flint ran the same deck and he got 3rd with it. It had nothing to do with him being more skilled with the deck he just managed to avoid the 3rd donk to top cut. He lost to some difficult rogue in top 4.
Prodigiosus
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I love this format. It is probably one of the MOST diverse seasons yet. I really disliked last year, and all I saw at Nationals was Gardy Gallade and Empoleon (myself running that) This year, there are over seven decks that you can use and that is GOOD. Last year at Regionals, Top four was like GG, GG, GG, Banette. This year, it's Palkia G, Galactic, Kingdra, T-Tar, etc.
There is still luck, but it's not like last year anymore. Last year, it was "Ralts, Rare Candy, Double Rainbow Energy, etc." This year, it's more "Dialga G, Energy Gain, Metal, Deafen." You're venting about donks and all that, but if you actually go to a tournament, donks are very RARE. They may seem very easy to get, but you need four cards in your hand just to start with. It's going to have to be a GOD hand in order for you to actually donk, or your opponent just has no luck at all. Quite frankly, I disagree with you.
However, I do not like coin flipping as that made me loose one game at Regionals, where I missed a flip for Take Out and the game went down to time. Other things, such as S.S.U., can also stink when you miss the winning flip. However, that just makes the game all more interesting, and I think it's fun taking the risk actually sometimes. Last season, Skill/Luck was 50/50. This year, I think it's more 90/10. The decks you stated may seem likes it can dish out some quite and good damage, getting donks here and there, but if it's really that good at getting donks, why isn't everyone playing it? I did not see anyone donk anyone last previous Saturday with Rampardos, and it was overhyped to be a cheap deck. Machamp may have it's slight cheapness, but hey, it all makes it more fun in the metagame.
In general, I do not like it when people claim "Rampardos, Kingdra, and Machamp are so cheap because they donk so much." To state it simply, you may get a donk once or twice in a tournament, but that's it. This format, it's DIVERSE. In my age division, I was amazed at all the decks that made top cut. Unlike last year, where 6/8 of the decks was GG in Top Cut, this year, it was like this. Palkia G, Galactic, T-tar, Galactic, Kingdra, Manetric, GeChamp, T-tar. There, we have SIX different decks, not six of the same deck. This season is more of a flip season, which is where the luck factor comes in, not a donk fest like everyone claims it to be.
-Prodigiosus
There is still luck, but it's not like last year anymore. Last year, it was "Ralts, Rare Candy, Double Rainbow Energy, etc." This year, it's more "Dialga G, Energy Gain, Metal, Deafen." You're venting about donks and all that, but if you actually go to a tournament, donks are very RARE. They may seem very easy to get, but you need four cards in your hand just to start with. It's going to have to be a GOD hand in order for you to actually donk, or your opponent just has no luck at all. Quite frankly, I disagree with you.
However, I do not like coin flipping as that made me loose one game at Regionals, where I missed a flip for Take Out and the game went down to time. Other things, such as S.S.U., can also stink when you miss the winning flip. However, that just makes the game all more interesting, and I think it's fun taking the risk actually sometimes. Last season, Skill/Luck was 50/50. This year, I think it's more 90/10. The decks you stated may seem likes it can dish out some quite and good damage, getting donks here and there, but if it's really that good at getting donks, why isn't everyone playing it? I did not see anyone donk anyone last previous Saturday with Rampardos, and it was overhyped to be a cheap deck. Machamp may have it's slight cheapness, but hey, it all makes it more fun in the metagame.
In general, I do not like it when people claim "Rampardos, Kingdra, and Machamp are so cheap because they donk so much." To state it simply, you may get a donk once or twice in a tournament, but that's it. This format, it's DIVERSE. In my age division, I was amazed at all the decks that made top cut. Unlike last year, where 6/8 of the decks was GG in Top Cut, this year, it was like this. Palkia G, Galactic, T-tar, Galactic, Kingdra, Manetric, GeChamp, T-tar. There, we have SIX different decks, not six of the same deck. This season is more of a flip season, which is where the luck factor comes in, not a donk fest like everyone claims it to be.
-Prodigiosus
mine is cooler
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So all of this is because you didn't make top cut with a deck exactly the same as your friend who did?
Honestly it's just tough luck.
You didn't get 2 basics in your opening hand/ first draw. That's no ones fault. Not a deck, opponent, or yours. Also having weakness to psychic +10, ralts, means you could of been donked by a plt shuppet with one energy and a plus power.
Wow will you take a different point of view for a moment please. Yes its true I would never have posted this had I not been donked but the point is this could happen to anybody and it shouldnt. Nobody should ever have to be out of a tournament because of that, especially after all the playtesting i put into regionals. A player should have to have their skill, creativity, and stamina tested in a tournament. I didnt even get the chance to show how well I satisfy those needs. There was never a year where I could go this well prepared into a tournament just to go down without a fight.
BigChuck01
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Agreed that the format is a bit to luck based. Going 2nd in games is a pretty ridiculous edge atm.
mine is cooler
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I said befor, I played salamence at the first of two states. I got smashed and went 1-5. I didn't come on here and rant about getting owned after play testing for weeks with it. I realized I needed to better my deck to counter the current format. 2nd states I went 4-2 loosing round 6 to keep me out of top cut.
Ya pouring your heart and soul into something that is amazing, then getting donked sucks. I've been there. But sitting on your computer and saying "I hate this format because I got donked.", is showing that instead of bettering your self, you would rather just scream and cry about the past.
Now that you know what is being played, and how it is being played, counter it. Play more basics, heavier lines, something!
The Captain
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He lost to the teched out sp build i mention earlier.
The list was easy to donk if you didn't get call. But playing link was inspired
ColdCoates90
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Can you be so sure it was purely a 'skill' deck that won, and not just the luckiest player of that day? I wasn't there of course, but there is that possibility.
As for this format: I dislike it as well.Way too much luck present. Can't wait for the next set to come out and diversify the card pool, that way the better players will be able to pick out and play the better decks that will have the most chance of winning, while the masses stick to things of convenience.
HypnosProjectHQ
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I agree a lot with the luck based format. Pairings are nearly the only thing that matters anymore. Sure you need a relatively decent start, but pairings matter the most. This is why I am mostly judging right now instead of playing.
Rogue Master Mime
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The current format is diverse, but is such out of design and therefore does not reinforce the true superiority of rogue. Winning seems mistaken for ingenuity.
However, ingenuity is always victorious.
Mime out.
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However, ingenuity is always victorious.
Mime out.
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Ness
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This is my least favorite modified format. I consider it the least skilled modified, but admit it is still very skillful (like all Pokemon formats have been). I didn't see a lot of skill in 06-07 either, to be honest. But what makes this format especially annoying is the fact that there are more turn one wins (no one likes those), and also that games seem to take a while, too. PokeTurn definitely didn't help speed games up.
I think 2004-2005 may have been my favorite format. Ex decks also made for quicker games.
I think 2004-2005 may have been my favorite format. Ex decks also made for quicker games.
ShadowGuard
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On the one side, it's correct that there's too much luck in this format. We never had so many simple donk decks than this season. I remember the beginning of the DP set, where people stated that Mario and Kricketune coulnd't actually be called decks. Machamp, Rampardos and Kingdra aren't more of a deck, but nobody would question them any more.
I judged a Battle Road this Sunyday, and one of the Semi-Finals was 1-1 after 1:30 minutes. First game Kingdra donk, second game Sableye donk. But the main problem of the whole story is that POP didn't react to this format. There should be b-o-3 in Swiss rounds, and there should be a top cut where players that lost the 1st round but won anything else have a decent chance of playing tops in a mid-size tournament. With 29 players in an age group, this is currently not the case. 1st round donked --> tournament over.
On the other side, players who run donk or luck decks by themselves shouldn't complain. You choose a deck you don't like because you have a better chance to win. That's pretty much what many players do, but the don't even need to. They are manipulated by the metagame and by previous tournament results. Why do you think Machamp wins even more now? Because even more players run this deck.
This States season, I got 5 trophies with Blaziken and Porygon-Z decks. Of course in Europe States are not as hard as in the US, but the States I played can be counted to the more competitive in my area. Neither Blaziken nor Porygon-Z have a realistic chance of donking. Blaziken is a monster with high offense and high defense. Fire Dance allows to keep in play even when power-locked. Porygon-Z is the most consistant setup deck in format and also has the best continuous damage output, as I said in another topic before. I personally never had a problem that these decks aren't able to donk. I want to play long, interesting games and not be finished after 5 minutes. Exspecially Porygon is highly skill-based, since you need so many things to think of when building your list and playing certain matchups.
I judged a Battle Road this Sunyday, and one of the Semi-Finals was 1-1 after 1:30 minutes. First game Kingdra donk, second game Sableye donk. But the main problem of the whole story is that POP didn't react to this format. There should be b-o-3 in Swiss rounds, and there should be a top cut where players that lost the 1st round but won anything else have a decent chance of playing tops in a mid-size tournament. With 29 players in an age group, this is currently not the case. 1st round donked --> tournament over.
On the other side, players who run donk or luck decks by themselves shouldn't complain. You choose a deck you don't like because you have a better chance to win. That's pretty much what many players do, but the don't even need to. They are manipulated by the metagame and by previous tournament results. Why do you think Machamp wins even more now? Because even more players run this deck.
This States season, I got 5 trophies with Blaziken and Porygon-Z decks. Of course in Europe States are not as hard as in the US, but the States I played can be counted to the more competitive in my area. Neither Blaziken nor Porygon-Z have a realistic chance of donking. Blaziken is a monster with high offense and high defense. Fire Dance allows to keep in play even when power-locked. Porygon-Z is the most consistant setup deck in format and also has the best continuous damage output, as I said in another topic before. I personally never had a problem that these decks aren't able to donk. I want to play long, interesting games and not be finished after 5 minutes. Exspecially Porygon is highly skill-based, since you need so many things to think of when building your list and playing certain matchups.
ryanvergel
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My team ran GG for regs and won. It beat up Dialga just fine. You just misplayed por got unlucky.
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