IHateJuice
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lol, good argument. /Sarcasm
my Q still stands.
my Q still stands.
Yeah, i understand 80/90$ is a lot of money. But if you want to win, can't you make the investment? why should every card be cheap and available to the masses?
Yeah, i understand 80/90$ is a lot of money. But if you want to win, can't you make the investment? why should every card be cheap and available to the masses?
Yeah, i understand 80/90$ is a lot of money. But if you want to win, can't you make the investment? why should every card be cheap and available to the masses?
What's the problem of actually spending like 80/90$ dollars on a card that is supposedly going to make your deck way better. are we all that poor?
This has got to be the most ignorant post I've ever read on this board. ever.
After testing with it, the card's not even that good in basically every deck. The Vileplume/Reuniclus deck runs perfectly fine without it and I dropped the card pretty quickly. I don't see what the big issue here is. Yanmegas are going for 45 each, but nobody's even complaining about those. Most kids can't afford that either, yet they're 10 times more playable than this card.
I thought the whole issue here is that the younger players (Seniors/Juniors) and some older ones can't afford the card. Isn't the entire reason people want to reprint the card?
Yes, and generally the more available a card is, the lower in price it is. If you can purchase a card outright, or obtain it within league, it usually retains it natural retail value. Shuckle, for example, peaked at $10 and the package it came in was $10-$12. Nobody can afford the card because the few people that have it are 100% responsible for setting a minimum value, as they are the ones looking for value out of their item.
How are you even relating my two statements? I was stating the card was not very playable. Then I was pointing out that other more playable cards have not had these kinds of threads for them despite having a close price to this card. I made two separate statements. By kids, I meant Juniors and Seniors. But I know a lot of masters don't want to invest 100 dollars on the card either.
Like what cards are more playable, have the pricetag, and don't have these threads? Yanmega Prime? It's in a Pack. Magnezone Prime? In a pack. Rayquaza & Deoxys LEGEND? Pack. If a card is obtainable in a Pack, a thread like this isn't necessary because it's made available to the general public at retail value, is sometimes given out as tournament prize, and has a set randomized set of odds based on it's rarity value in the set it comes in. The stadium does not come in a pack, and is not available to anyone that did not "receive" one, unless you paid for or traded for one after the fact.
Worlds promos should be hard to get. Period. There shouldn't even be debate about that. The promos are given to those people who worked incredibly hard over the season. They should be given for bragging rights and nothing more. If the cards were available to the general public, getting one wouldn't even be special. Now what, do you want Tropical Wind reprints too? It's like getting Victory Medal at a Battle Roads. It's not a playable card (or at least not right now) but it's just a reminder of an achievement.
Then stamp an already released card to signify promotion through a specific event, and move on. No reason Worlds players need a stamped card that isn't available to other players. Give them a special version, we get a dull version. The only reason, in my opinion, I bring this up is that this year it Was Not fair to Japanese Players that may be qualified to participate in Worlds, but could not due to effects of the Tsunami that hit. This follows through for other countries and continents (And if anyone is tracking Hurricane Irene, same deal) that have unavoidable life-threatening situations but aren't taken into consideration.
If the worlds card is playable though, it's an entirely different issue. Because then it gives an unfair advantage to an already elite group of players and the rich. That is bad for the game. Having hard to get promos is not bad for the game.
What is bad for a game isn't ever Playability of a card. That always changes. Yanmega Prime is a decent example, as it was unplayable in MD-on, and now fully playable in HGSS-on. The Baby Pokemon were unplayable in MD-on, highly playable in HGSS-BW, but are slowly losing in that respect as new sets are released and new cards made (Such as Pokemon Catcher). When it comes down to bad-for-a-game is availability, and if the playable cards are hard to get the price jumps for players. If the non-playable cards are hard to get then the price jumps for collectors. A game should be affordable first, then fun, then competitive. You can't play a game if you can't afford to, and that's where it starts.
I thought the whole issue here is that the younger players (Seniors/Juniors) and some older ones can't afford the card. Isn't the entire reason people want to reprint the card?
Worlds promos should be hard to get. Period. There shouldn't even be debate about that. The promos are given to those people who worked incredibly hard over the season. They should be given for bragging rights and nothing more.
They should be given for bragging rights and nothing more.
If the cards were available to the general public, getting one wouldn't even be special.
Now what, do you want Tropical Wind reprints too?
It's like getting Victory Medal at a Battle Roads. It's not a playable card (or at least not right now) but it's just a reminder of an achievement.
If the worlds card is playable though, it's an entirely different issue. Because then it gives an unfair advantage to an already elite group of players and the rich. That is bad for the game. Having hard to get promos is not bad for the game.
Pokemon is about combos. Combos can make bad cards good, even great. There is no "safe bad effect" card to release as a Promo to the top players that might never have an impact on the real game, so don't even try.
This. Nicely worded.
What if a card considered "bad," say... Pichu HS, was made an exclusive because it was thought to be so unplayable? Then Ross takes it to the final table at worlds. Could you imagine the outrage from the community?
What about Cleffa? It was a terrible card in the last format, but suddenly became really good when the format changed. Could you imagine if Cleffa was only available to about a thousand players? It would be an outrage.
Now, that's exactly what happened to Tropical Beach!
Also, the argument that "Tropical Beach isn't that good/playable" is completely bogus. A copy of the card was run in the deck that came in second at worlds. If getting played at the final table at worlds doesn't define playability, I don't know what does.