The Hype of Zekrom

[mikeg542]

Ok first off, it's "half", not "have". Don't use words like extrapolated to try and sound smart if your going to mess up the easy ones like "half"

Second, just because you can't build a consistent enough deck to get a fast start doesn't mean that WE are lying

Third, we don't run 8 basics. Every good zekrom deck plays cleffa
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Do you enjoy lying on the internet? You must, or at least have a serious case of confirmation bias. Cleffa seems pretty poor for getting a t1 donk ( if it's just for the t1 retreat, run manaphy). I am a more than competent deck builder and this format definitely does not have the consistency/card drawing cards to make needing an exact 6 cards reasonable (especially when 60% of the time you don't start with zekrom and require a 7th card).

I stand by what I said and offer a hearty "prove me wrong!"

 

[Wood811]

Alright here is what I think. There is a select group of people who have "Secret Deck" and their secret deck or even just plain deck choice for nationals (blastoise maybe) know that they almost completely autolose to Zekrom. In being this, they feel the need to go on a forum and falsely post of how bad it is so people will be less inclined to play it, enabling them a better shot at the metagame. Zekrom will be a great play for nationals, do not be fooled.

 

[Sir Bidoof]

Alright here is what I think. There is a select group of people who have "Secret Deck" and their secret deck or even just plain deck choice for nationals (blastoise maybe) know that they almost completely autolose to Zekrom. In being this, they feel the need to go on a forum and falsely post of how bad it is so people will be less inclined to play it, enabling them a better shot at the metagame. Zekrom will be a great play for nationals, do not be fooled.

Or, they tested against a deck that is supposed to be tier 1 and found that it was inconsistent crap, and are wondering whether they just built it wrong. maybe you just want people to play Zekrrom so you can beat them easily, or even want to defend your bad deck. Iv'e tested Zekrom, and it was very inconsistent, wiffing on the turn 1 >75% of its games. However, I did play a couple of techs that screwed with consistency, but to take them out would basically forfeit 50% of your games. Either way, the deck sucks for now, the new techs in future sets will just make it more inconsistent. Good luck at Nationals with your bad deck...

 

[mewbreon]

^^ thats a MIGHTY angry response there bidoof...

perhaps wood811 hit a nerve, yes?

 

[jjkkl]

Alright here is what I think. There is a select group of people who have "Secret Deck" and their secret deck or even just plain deck choice for nationals (blastoise maybe) know that they almost completely autolose to Zekrom. In being this, they feel the need to go on a forum and falsely post of how bad it is so people will be less inclined to play it, enabling them a better shot at the metagame. Zekrom will be a great play for nationals, do not be fooled.

Totally. An online open internet forum is a game-changing metagame tool. That totally makes sense.

 

[Happiny13]

^^ thats a MIGHTY angry response there bidoof...

perhaps wood811 hit a nerve, yes?

Or maybe the wood811's comment was frustratingly illogical.

 

[Wood811]

lol its funny because I speak truth. I am no fool. Look at how people are already trying to shift attention away from zekrom and to less impressive cards like yanmega. yanmega yuck. People want you to play this stupid garbage. It's really quite amusing. The best part of all of this is I can say zekrom is good and it doesn't matter because I am one person on an internet forum. I just don't want people to be so easily steered, hopefully canada will shed some light for everybody.

I remember when I posted about RDL awhile back. I was immediately shot down by "good" (i use that term loosely) players. They said it was terrible but look now the price for it jumped to $50. I want everyone to know everything I know. Don't pay $5 for a monthly subscription to underground sixprizes articles lol

 

[Happiny13]

lol its funny because I speak truth. I am no fool. Look at how people are already trying to shift attention away from zekrom and to less impressive cards like yanmega. yanmega yuck. People want you to play this stupid garbage. It's really quite amusing. The best part of all of this is I can say zekrom is good and it doesn't matter because I am one person on an internet forum. I just don't want people to be so easily steered, hopefully canada will shed some light for everybody.

I remember when I posted about RDL awhile back. I was immediately shot down by "good" (i use that term loosely) players. They said it was terrible but look now the price for it jumped to $50. I want everyone to know everything I know. Don't pay $5 for a monthly subscription to underground sixprizes articles lol

Some people might lie to change what people might play, but those are the people that smart players wouldn't listen to. Good players don't need to lie to win.

RDL was awful in MD-on if that's what you are talking about. And it was being used very early in HGSS on testing.

 

[jjkkl]

I remember when I posted about RDL awhile back. I was immediately shot down by "good" (i use that term loosely) players. They said it was terrible but look now the price for it jumped to $50. I want everyone to know everything I know. Don't pay $5 for a monthly subscription to underground sixprizes articles lol

...So? I thought up of RDL as well. I was one of the people who were testing Magneboars ever since Emboar got released. So did a crapload of other people. Magnezone's now 50 dollars apiece on a bunch of sites. Doesn't make someone right or wrong on the next prediction. Don't pontificate like you're all of a sudden hot stuff there, champ.

 

[Wood811]

I'm not "pontificating" myself sir lol. I'm not saying I came up with the idea obviously, heck I know practically everybody knew about it for awhile. I'm not taking credit for jack. But what I am saying is that when the concept is brought up, people shot it down when it was obviously good. Its the fact that people shoot down good deck ideas, concepts, cards etc when they really shouldn't. For intentions we may not know, maybe they are just stubborn.

 

[BLOCksTARxX]

haha whoever thinks zekrom is good is rreally bad at this game like they shouldnt even play pokemon

 

[Bloodbane]

You just insulted every single even decent player in Finland. And many more people across the globe. Think you should apologize.

 

[uuuufff]

Zekrom is terrible. I say that because of my own testing results, other people's testing results (whose I value) and just basic theorycrafting.

The deck has a fantastic early game, there is no denying that. If we were playing a format where you only had to take 3/4 prizes to win, it would probably be the best deck. But it simply runs out of steam towards the end of the game. It's simply not possible to keep churning out energies + Pachirisu + Shaymin, especially when your Zekroms are going down faster than you can say "Hoppip". On top of that the deck has an atrocious donphan game, unless you're prepared to dilute the deck by running Yanmega.

It doesn't even do enough damage to compete with decks like Magneboar. There's no way you're constantly hitting double-Pluspowers to OHKO Magnezone while they need to ditch just 2 energies to KO you after a Bolt Strike.

The deck is very flip-reliant (moreso than other decks), and has a pretty iffy late-game. Maybe someone out there has come up with some revelation to give the deck some steam late-game, or some legal way of flipping 80% heads but I sure haven't found it.

 

[Sir Bidoof]

^^ thats a MIGHTY angry response there bidoof...

perhaps wood811 hit a nerve, yes?

Sorry, i just got rally upset when he claimed that Zekrom was good and anyone who said otherwise is just lying to try to get players to not play it so they would win. I probably could have been calmer about it. I play a Donphan variant, so I don't have any reason to want others to not play Zekrom other than good will. However, I have tested Zekrom lists, and found that although I usually can get the pokemon I need turn 1, I rarely start with Zekrom, and I have yet to get 3 energies in my hand turn 1. The list I used could probably be made slightly more consistent, like taking out Yanmega and the rescue energies, but I never had the rescues in my hand anyway, so that wouldn't have helped, and I don't expect 4 cards to have any effect on consistency great enough to be worth sacrificing any chance of winning if you don't get the turn 1. I could probably find something better than Yanmega, for sure, but if we are talking about turn one setup, the tech shouldn't matter. I would fix my list and test Zekrom some more, but my computer with Redshark is super slow and crashes, and I think is infected by a virus. By the way, I played 15 energies, 12 lightning, so I don't think my consistent energy wiffs had much to do with playing to few of them. All in all, I came to the conclusion that Zekrom was crap through actual playtesting, and not random theorymon on a Pokegym thread. If anyone else has had drastically different results, and can show why their results are any better than mine, I might be willing to change my opinion.

 

[InnoceNt]

Alright here is what I think. There is a select group of people who have "Secret Deck" and their secret deck or even just plain deck choice for nationals (blastoise maybe) know that they almost completely autolose to Zekrom. In being this, they feel the need to go on a forum and falsely post of how bad it is so people will be less inclined to play it, enabling them a better shot at the metagame. Zekrom will be a great play for nationals, do not be fooled.

I will go on record saying I'm not playing an SD at nationals, and I'm definitely not playing Blastoise.

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I'm not "pontificating" myself sir lol. I'm not saying I came up with the idea obviously, heck I know practically everybody knew about it for awhile. I'm not taking credit for jack. But what I am saying is that when the concept is brought up, people shot it down when it was obviously good. Its the fact that people shoot down good deck ideas, concepts, cards etc when they really shouldn't. For intentions we may not know, maybe they are just stubborn.

Not trying to bag on you, but the fact that you have, "12-76 record seasons 2007-2011," in your signature makes me doubt your credibility.

 

[Ignatious]

First off, decks these days are running about 10-12 basics, so starting with multiple isn't exactly likely.

Secondly, pulling off a turn one KO is very easy for a Zekrom deck, considering Tyrouge kills babies, and Pachi kills Yawnma, Magnemite, Manaphy, etc. With a lucky PlusPower it can even deal with 60 HP basics. Otherwise, you'll be relying on Zekrom, which is still doable.

Granted the donks can only really happen if you go first, the deck doesn't rely on donking to win. It is an added bonus.

The deck wins by taking a multitude of prizes by KOing babies, and higher HP pokemon without even bringing out Zekrom. Once it hits late game, THAT is usually when Zekrom starts seeing action. Reversals, and Plus Powers take serious prizes here, and if youre stuck, 2HKO with a Tyrouge as the opener. This way, there is a chance they dont net a prize on you.

The late game of the deck is severely underrated, not the best, but it manages and wins. Despite losing to Reshiram centered decks I see this as a decent deck for nats.

 

[mewbreon]

haha whoever thinks zekrom is good is rreally bad at this game like they shouldnt even play pokemon

......troll.
moving on.

Zekrom is terrible. I say that because of my own testing results, other people's testing results (whose I value) and just basic theorycrafting.

On top of that the deck has an atrocious donphan game

The deck is very flip-reliant (moreso than other decks),

1. terrible?.... no.... random scrub rogue decks are terrible. zekrom is top tier. dont use drastic words like that to try and get a point across-- you just make yourself seem ignorant.
2. yes it loses to donphan. this is why it is not bdif. it has a weakness. OMG SURPRISE!!
3. ........flip? hmm... lets see:
zekrom's attacks: no flip
pachi: no flip
shaymin: no flip
juniper: no flip
collector: no flip
pont: no flip
oh wait..... dual ball..... : flip

omg this deck is so flippy
/sarcasm

moving on

Don't pontificate like you're all of a sudden hot stuff there, champ.

yuck... are you kidding me? pontificate? please... the ONLY people who are even remotely impressed by your thesaurus.com skillzz (besides yourself, of course) are your undergraduate "intro to philosophy" classmates (who are non-majors)

First off, decks these days are running about 10-12 basics, so starting with multiple isn't exactly likely.

Secondly, pulling off a turn one KO is very easy for a Zekrom deck, considering Tyred face powder kills babies, and Pachi kills Yawnma, Magnemite, Manaphy, etc. With a lucky PlusPower it can even deal with 60 HP basics. Otherwise, you'll be relying on Zekrom, which is still doable.

Granted the donks can only really happen if you go first, the deck doesn't rely on donking to win. It is an added bonus.

The deck wins by taking a multitude of prizes by KOing babies, and higher HP pokemon without even bringing out Zekrom. Once it hits late game, THAT is usually when Zekrom starts seeing action. Reversals, and Plus Powers take serious prizes here, and if youre stuck, 2HKO with a Tyred face powder as the opener. This way, there is a chance they dont net a prize on you.

The late game of the deck is severely underrated, not the best, but it manages and wins. Despite losing to Reshiram centered decks I see this as a decent deck for nats.

thank you.
when you speak, i am happy

 

[uuuufff]

1. terrible?.... no.... random scrub rogue decks are terrible. zekrom is top tier. dont use drastic words like that to try and get a point across-- you just make yourself seem ignorant.
2. yes it loses to donphan. this is why it is not bdif. it has a weakness. OMG SURPRISE!!
3. ........flip? hmm... lets see:
zekrom's attacks: no flip
pachi: no flip
shaymin: no flip
juniper: no flip
collector: no flip
pont: no flip
oh wait..... dual ball..... : flip

omg this deck is so flippy
/sarcasm

moving on

1. Okay, terrible was too strong. Let's try "mediocre". It's sure as heck not tier 1.

2. Losing to Donphan is too major to pass up! Sure, all decks have weaknesses, but I wouldn't walk into one of the biggest tournament of the year (outside of Worlds) with a deck that has a terrible match-up against an extremely popular card, one that is splashed into many decks (not just Donphan/Machamp). If Donphan was less popular, sure, it could be justified but unfortunately Donphan is just rampant at the moment.

3. Let's see... Zekrom has: Pokemon Reversal, SSU, Dual Ball. I love how you conveniently skipped over the first two when they are so important for the deck to function. What flipping cards do other decks have? It's definitely flippier than most other decks are, which is a pain at large tournies.

Zekrom has strengths, such as strong donking power and early game, but it has tough MU's agaisnt many decks (not just Donphan - I forgot to mention Vileplume as well, which the deck just hates) and burns out late-game. We are at the business end of the season and Zekrom is probably not going to cut it (which is unfortunate, because Zekrom looks so cool... much more aesthetically appealing than Palkia/Dialga in my opinion).

 

[jjkkl]

I'm not "pontificating" myself sir lol. I'm not saying I came up with the idea obviously, heck I know practically everybody knew about it for awhile. I'm not taking credit for jack. But what I am saying is that when the concept is brought up, people shot it down when it was obviously good. Its the fact that people shoot down good deck ideas, concepts, cards etc when they really shouldn't. For intentions we may not know, maybe they are just stubborn.

Then you should say that instead of saying something that implies something else. Upon which I agree with you, and my apologies, it was a misunderstanding on my part.

yuck... are you kidding me? pontificate? please... the ONLY people who are even remotely impressed by your thesaurus.com skillzz (besides yourself, of course) are your undergraduate "intro to philosophy" classmates (who are non-majors)

I'd have to expect this from someone with the grammatical capacity of a five year old. So, in my benevolence, allow me to properly explain everything I say from now on to you (since you clearly seem to be lacking in the diction department):

Pontificate: Express one's opinions in a way considered annoyingly pompous and dogmatic.

You know what? I'll help you further. Here's a couple words you might not have understood:

Diction: A choice of words drawn from inflection of the person's intention.
skilzz: A misspelling of 'skills', and a predicted character trait of someone who has problems with words like 'pontificate'.

So next time you decide to display your ability to reason by insulting other people, cut down on the pontificating there, buddy. Since you're doing quite a bit of it in that post.

 

[Nintendan]

Zekrom does have potential to beat most decks. I don't see why most people here are automatically saying 'lol tihs dek sukz so badd'.
Zekrom is top tier for a reason.

But I think we should all shut up and let Nats do the talking, eh?