The Hype of Zekrom

[Ignatious]

1. Okay, terrible was too strong. Let's try "mediocre". It's sure as heck not tier 1.

2. Losing to Donphan is too major to pass up! Sure, all decks have weaknesses, but I wouldn't walk into one of the biggest tournament of the year (outside of Worlds) with a deck that has a terrible match-up against an extremely popular card, one that is splashed into many decks (not just Donphan/Machamp). If Donphan was less popular, sure, it could be justified but unfortunately Donphan is just rampant at the moment.

3. Let's see... Zekrom has: Pokemon Reversal, SSU, Dual Ball. I love how you conveniently skipped over the first two when they are so important for the deck to function. What flipping cards do other decks have? It's definitely flippier than most other decks are, which is a pain at large tournies.

Zekrom has strengths, such as strong donking power and early game, but it has tough MU's agaisnt many decks (not just Donphan - I forgot to mention Vileplume as well, which the deck just hates) and burns out late-game. We are at the business end of the season and Zekrom is probably not going to cut it (which is unfortunate, because Zekrom looks so cool... much more aesthetically appealing than Palkia/Dialga in my opinion).

Reversal and SSU are not necessary for the deck to actually function, that would probably be why he skipped them over. They are strong tools if they work, but the deck will set up regardless.

Including donks on both sides, I had the Zekrom vs Donphan match up as almost exactly even. This is entirely due to Yawnmega, though. Yawnmega is a necessity for this deck I feel, because it provides means of taking easy early prizes while setting up a Zekrom, like I mentioned earlier. It also makes the Donphan match up very winnable and provides Yawnma, the best starter for the deck.

 

[mewbreon]

I'd have to expect this from someone with the grammatical capacity of a five year old. So, in my benevolence, allow me to properly explain everything I say from now on to you (since you clearly seem to be lacking in the diction department):

Pontificate: Express one's opinions in a way considered annoyingly pompous and dogmatic.

You know what? I'll help you further. Here's a couple words you might not have understood:

Diction: A choice of words drawn from inflection of the person's intention.
skilzz: A misspelling of 'skills', and a predicted character trait of someone who has problems with words like 'pontificate'.

So next time you decide to display your ability to reason by insulting other people, cut down on the pontificating there, buddy. Since you're doing quite a bit of it in that post.

*sigh* of COURSE all i get from you is the age-old "omg your trying to insult me and your grammar sucks! let me try and seem smart again by condescending to you"

this is the interwebz brehhh. i will use horrible punctuation and grammar if i FEEL like it because im typing on a device thats smaller than my hand and i have a busy life.

my intellect and IQ would embarrass you. where do you go to school?
wait... dont answer that because it doesnt matter.
do you have ANY idea how much i laugh at you every time i read your narcissistic and pretentious posts? (omg... those are $10 words)
talk about the card game, and not about your opinion of gym members personalities by condescending to them (even though im being hypocritical right now...) because the people here who are MUCH smarter than you are just laughing (probably wood included)

 

[misnos]

Well ZPS is top 2 in Canada, there are no Magneboar to be seen. Can you haters please explain this?
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[jjkkl]

*sigh* of COURSE all i get from you is the age-old "omg your trying to insult me and your grammar sucks! let me try and seem smart again by condescending to you"

this is the interwebz brehhh. i will use horrible punctuation and grammar if i FEEL like it because im typing on a device thats smaller than my hand and i have a busy life.

my intellect and IQ would embarrass you. where do you go to school?
wait... dont answer that because it doesnt matter.
do you have ANY idea how much i laugh at you every time i read your narcissistic and pretentious posts? (omg... those are $10 words)
talk about the card game, and not about your opinion of gym members personalities by condescending to them (even though im being hypocritical right now...) because the people here who are MUCH smarter than you are just laughing (probably wood included)

Cute - you should probably look up what Narcissistic actually means. On the subject of mobile posting:

http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?p=2040867#post2040867
http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?p=2040866#post2040866
http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?p=2039840#post2039840
http://pokegym.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2043731&postcount=43

Not buying it, buddy. If others and I can easily use proper spelling and grammar, then you should be able to, if you're going to insult my intelligence in such a manner then I'm going to simply sit down and allow you and your poorly constructed tirade to persist.

Of course, you must be laughing, since I can barely swallow the poorly constructed trite that you call discussion. I've already apologised to Wood811 since it was a misunderstanding on my part. Of course, that doesn't extend to this discussion, since I still see nothing but a wave of grammatical atrocities.

 

[Wood811]

Zekrom does have potential to beat most decks. I don't see why most people here are automatically saying 'lol tihs dek sukz so badd'.
Zekrom is top tier for a reason.

But I think we should all shut up and let Nats do the talking, eh?

Looks like canadian nats has shown us my friend!

also jjkl, its all good. I reread my post and I can see how you thought what you stated before. I should've reworded it.

ZPS/yanmega!

---------- Post added 07/03/2011 at 12:31 PM ----------

I will go on record saying I'm not playing an SD at nationals, and I'm definitely not playing Blastoise.

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Not trying to bag on you, but the fact that you have, "12-76 record seasons 2007-2011," in your signature makes me doubt your credibility.

Yea, I'm pretty bad at this game.

 

[misnos]

ZPS / Yanmega just took Canadian nationals, still awaiting responses about how bad it is.

 

[baby mario]

ZPS / Yanmega just took Canadian nationals, still awaiting responses about how bad it is.

Expect references to Exploud/Golem.

 

[Box of Fail]

Cute - you should probably look up what Narcissistic actually means. On the subject of mobile posting:

http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?p=2040867#post2040867
http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?p=2040866#post2040866
http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?p=2039840#post2039840
http://pokegym.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2043731&postcount=43

Not buying it, buddy. If others and I can easily use proper spelling and grammar, then you should be able to, if you're going to insult my intelligence in such a manner then I'm going to simply sit down and allow you and your poorly constructed tirade to persist.

Of course, you must be laughing, since I can barely swallow the poorly constructed trite that you call discussion. I've already apologised to Wood811 since it was a misunderstanding on my part. Of course, that doesn't extend to this discussion, since I still see nothing but a wave of grammatical atrocities.

While I can’t commend mewbreon’s behavior in this thread, your belittling of him because of his (supposedly) limited vocabulary could also be considered pontification. It's illogical, conceited, and ignorant to think that you are somehow more intelligent than he because he can’t understand ‘pontificate.’ Mewbreon’s posts were, while perhaps unpleasant at which to look, of the utmost clarity. Why does it matter if mewbreon decides to use ‘skilzz’ instead of ‘skills’? From your response, it is clear that you understood ‘skilzz,’ and as the intention of language is to get one’s point across, I see no reason to prefer ‘skills’ over ‘skilzz.’ If you really think he doesn’t know how to properly spell ‘skills’ (in other words, if you think he would write ‘skilzz’ on an exam), then you’re far more ignorant than I thought. The issue here, then, is laziness and not unintelligence, so your arrogant disparagement of his intellect was entirely unfounded. Furthermore, he was right to call your behavior ‘narcissistic,’ as your use of unnecessarily complex (that is to say, ‘pretentious’) words and subsequent mocking of mewbreon show that you do indeed consider yourself smarter than he, and for no reason other than his vocabulary (or ‘diction,’ as you put it; however, diction implies that the words are spoken and not typed, so I do believe you actually misused the word).

Your hypercorrect attitude towards the English language doesn’t mesh with the following sentence of yours:

Here's a couple words you might not have understood:

Although I find the use of ‘here’s’ as a contraction of ‘here are’ to be acceptable, someone who is mocking another for using ‘skilzz’ (which is fine in an informal setting such as this) should not.

Additionally, you tirelessly berate mewbreon for his supposed ‘grammatical atrocities,’ of which I see very few besides punctuation and capitalization, which are immaterial on a Pokémon forum. I see misuse of vocabulary, sure, but mewbreon seldom makes an actual grammatical error. Do you think he can’t capitalize or punctuate? I doubt it; he just doesn’t feel like it, and why should he if you seem to understand him perfectly?

The condescension you’ve shown in this thread is staggering, especially considering that it is over something as trite and insignificant as grammar. If mewbreon has childish grammar skills, you have an awfully childish mentality as to why you feel better than he.

(see this for more on why using proper English in an informal setting is unnecessary, and why condescension over grammar is idiotic and conceited.)

 

[jjkkl]

Very well - I will desist before this gets out of hand; I express my apologies to anyone who was offended by my words, and hope that this can be put behind us.

 

[Hatter™]

^It's the internet. Nobody will forget the hate put on this deck.

 

[JandPDS]

Speed wins games and this deck most defiantly has the speed game won.

 

[jjkkl]

^It's the internet. Nobody will forget the hate put on this deck.

Until we get a CATURDAY picture about it. Then it's become macromeme fodder.
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[Rap Tor]

So ZPS..... I'm hoping I'm not the only one totally surprised by it winning Canada Nats, do we know if it had the Yamega Prime in it?

 

[Hatter™]

Until we get a CATURDAY picture about it. Then it's become macromeme fodder.
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I wish I could say I knew what you just said... but... :lol:

 

[sToRm07]

So ZPS..... I'm hoping I'm not the only one totally surprised by it winning Canada Nats, do we know if it had the Yamega Prime in it?

it did have yanmega in it.

@all - Just remember, canada has a - historically - much different metagame in the past than the US has had. Zekrom/Yanmega might be a good combo, but so are many other decks. Many decks that are arguably much better than it - especially in the mid to late game scenarios.

 

[Nintendan]

Does anyone have the results of Nats?
I know ZPS, but what else did well?

 

[Speedy Scizor]

Does anyone have the results of Nats?
I know ZPS, but what else did well?

look at the thread in the nats forum, Kingdra/Yanmega seems good

 

[Sir Bidoof]

Wow, i admit I may have been wrong about Zekrom. Battling a lot of Yanmega variant definitely helped it win, but it had to be a good deck to make it all the way. I still don't think it is the BDIF, but it may very well be playable.

 

[Rikko145]

Ok first off, it's "half", not "have". Don't use words like extrapolated to try and sound smart if your going to mess up the easy ones like "half"

Second, just because you can't build a consistent enough deck to get a fast start doesn't mean that WE are lying

Third, we don't run 8 basics. Every good zekrom deck plays cleffa
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So, how exactly do you Bolt Strike T1 more than 75% of the time when you use Eeeeek? Is there some new Super-Supporter I don't know about that let's you attack twice? Last time I checked, if you Eeeeeek, then you didn't Bolt Strike.

 

[baby mario]

So, how exactly do you Bolt Strike T1 more than 75% of the time when you use Eeeeek? Is there some new Super-Supporter I don't know about that let's you attack twice? Last time I checked, if you Eeeeeek, then you didn't Bolt Strike.

That's not his point. He is saying that the deck doesn't run 8 Basics.

Also, you don't have to Eeeeeek. Cleffa is a free Retreater. If you start with it and Collector/Dual Ball for Zekrom/Pachi/Shaymin, you can still pull off the T1 Bolt Strike.