Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

The upcoming "Kingdra Meta"

DarthPika said:
I'm not. I just think ppl should realize its a good deck, definitly one of the better ones from the set. You can hardly talk as you WAY over hype kingdra and claim it can do things that there is no way it can do. >_>

I wouldn't be so sure AMU will just be gone at cities if I were you.
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One word:
Dusknior(IFDS)
 
Scipio said:
Lanturn/Cruel is a bit gimmicky and doesn't have really good matchups. Its a fun deck, just not very competitive. Vilelossom is dangerous. Bellossom might just be what the deck needs to combat Kingdra, given the lack of resistance on Vileplume. It relies a bit too much on special conditions tho.
Leafeon...I don't know. Its hard to get a good stable Leafeon build. Goes for a lot of decks relying on LVX's, but that is even moreso for Leafeon due to the insane amount of tech options it has in Espeon, Umbreon, Vaporeon, Glaceon X...

If I may be so bold to fire off a prediction at what's going to be Tier 1, these decks are my bets:
- Kingdra varieties (Variety mainly being in Techs or Setup vs Rush)
- Vileplume/Bellossom (Although the stability of the build is questionable)
- Magnezone varieties (Metagross is not to be underestimated as a Magnezone partner)
- Eeveelutions varieties (By virtue of Leafeon's energy attachment)
- Empoleon (His spread is still evil)
- Infernape (The number of Infernape decks will be determined by the ratio Water vs. Grass)
- Ninjas (Although questionable due to their low HP, their tricks certainly seem annoying, Shedinja in particular)
- Gliscor builds (Mind that Para/Burn/Poison cycle)
- Skittles varieties (By virtue of Togekiss)
- AMU (Because otherwise DarthPika will hit me)

Thats just my guess.
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Wow there buddy, Lanturn/Tentacruel was the first next format deck that I tested. And I did a lot of testing with it. It is very competitive and has great match ups. It is the perfect anti Kingdra and just spreads great. While it's spread doesn't really go everywhere, it takes out what you want it to, no problem. I don't know what kind of list you were using that was "gimmicky", as this deck has great potential.
I do agree with the rest of your list, for the most part.
You are forgeting one amazing card we get in the next set, but I'll let others figure it out, more wins for me as long as it stays under the radar. lol
 
Brawler1624 said:
One word:
Dusknior(IFDS)
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Tell me how dusknoir beats Amu. If Amu is as fast as people say it is then amu will just kill dusknoir. Dusknoir needs 3 energys to attack. Weakness goes away with azelf.

You are saying Plox is going to be bad while you say noir is good. Plox sets itself up while noir is just the same. All it has over plox is spread. Other than that plox is better because it has amazing attack power with gallade and the ability to lock powers.
 
Brawler1624 said:
Must've been a bad list......:lol:

Kingdra doesen't HAVE to use it's 2nd attack. In 3 turns, kingdra can get 12 energy in the discard
with power cancel.

Kingdra's a little bit faster than amu, I wonder why..

Kingdra:Needs 4 cards to setup.

Amu- Needs 6-9 cards to set up.

The odds are in Kingdra's favor..
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You must be playing bad lists, since AMU only need a roseanne's to get pretty much everything it'll need for the game, while kingdra needs to get a good opening hand, espically against AMU, to have a chance.
 
master of puppets said:
You're serious?
What happens if you get the mirror? You will be Ploxed and you won't be able to set up with Togekiss.
Plox will not be as fast as it is now. If it will be, than care to tell me why no one is playing your Togekiss list at Wolrds? It's just as good, right?
Kingdra beats the GG as of now, which is better than next formats, so thus it will beat next formats slower, less consistent version.
Post your list or there is no way I (or probably most people) can believe that it can set up turn 3 every game.
How are you going to be able to set up, when Kingdra is much faster (setting up turn 1 or 2) even if you do manage to set up by turn 3, when Mespirt is Power locking you before you can do the same to me? All good Kingdra lists will be playing multiples of them to stop your opponents set up while they out speed and own your face.
I will be able to use my claydol a fair few times before you will, thus slowing the Plox, and while I am able to Claydol I will stock up water energy in my hand and as soon as the Gardevoir does come up, that is when I will 2hko it.
Or what if I get out Kazam before you get out Claydol (easy to do with this deck) and just stop you dead in your tracks.
While it's not an auto win, it is definitely in Kingdra's favor. It's much faster and a lot more consistent.
I honestly don't know what kind of crap version of Kingdra you have been testing against if you can beat it easily with Plox. That just doesn't make sense.
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First off, I said it was all based on logical thinking. Kingdra hasn't been released, thus I haven't tested it.

OK, just got back from league today.
I playtested my Plox deck with Togekiss and Crystal Beach (this format version) against my standard Plox list. The Beach/Kiss one won all 3 games I played, and it went undefeated vs. 3 Empoleon builds also. Togekiss really does provide that extra boost of energy acceleration, you should test it.

I'm not saying Mesprit and Kazam won't slow down the deck, BUT I have trouble believing Kingdra decks will get those out fast enough to stop Psy Lock. Granted, Mesprit is searchable and a nice tech card, but that doesn't mean I can't tech in 1 or 2 myself to slow you down as well or stop you from playing your Mesprit.

And, I NEVER said that the Kingdra matchup was HIGHLY in Plox's favor. I said it was faster and more consistent, but I refuse to believe that a setup Kingdra can beat a setup Plox. I just don't see it happening. Constant Wager abuse+Psy Lock has already proven itself to cripple nearly all decks. Gallade also provides some extra meat and can manage 1 or 2 OHKOs on its own or bring huge threats down to manageable sizes.

Y'all are hyping Kingdra way too much. I understand that it's by far one of the best cards in the set. I know it will be played more than Plox will. I know that people are gonna go crazy over it and it will most likely dominate BRs.

BUT, be realistic. Plox has literally DOMINATED this ENTIRE format since States, and you are going to sit here and tell me that due to it's reliance on DRE/Scramble it has NO CHANCE in next years metagame? What does it lose other than DRE/Scramble? VIRTUALLY NOTHING! And how does it setup any slower? Other than the T2 DRE and Psy Lock it sets up just as smoothly as it does right now. Gardevoir and Gallade are too versatile and powerful to just disappear from the game due to a lack of special energy cards.

Whatever though, you can go on with your narrow minded thinking.
Too many will give up on Plox (maybe that's a good thing, lol) and it will soon most likely disappear, and you will be saying "I told ya so." But, whatever, I already know Plox will still be good.
 
Professor Elm said:
First off, I said it was all based on logical thinking. Kingdra hasn't been released, thus I haven't tested it.

OK, just got back from league today.
I playtested my Plox deck with Togekiss and Crystal Beach (this format version) against my standard Plox list. The Beach/Kiss one won all 3 games I played, and it went undefeated vs. 3 Empoleon builds also. Togekiss really does provide that extra boost of energy acceleration, you should test it.
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Wow, that is very interesting. Certainly something to think about indeed.
 
Kingdra.. is gonna have a metagame? of what? Battle Roads.. Cities.. OMG GUYZ RUN FOR UR LIVES :eek:

Its a GOOD card.. not the BEST card.. but Pokegym... False Hype.. Married to each other lol

The card will do good in BR's maybe some cities.. but probably not much beyond that
 
Professor Elm said:
First off, I said it was all based on logical thinking. Kingdra hasn't been released, thus I haven't tested it.

OK, just got back from league today.
I playtested my Plox deck with Togekiss and Crystal Beach (this format version) against my standard Plox list. The Beach/Kiss one won all 3 games I played, and it went undefeated vs. 3 Empoleon builds also. Togekiss really does provide that extra boost of energy acceleration, you should test it.

I'm not saying Mesprit and Kazam won't slow down the deck, BUT I have trouble believing Kingdra decks will get those out fast enough to stop Psy Lock. Granted, Mesprit is searchable and a nice tech card, but that doesn't mean I can't tech in 1 or 2 myself to slow you down as well or stop you from playing your Mesprit.

And, I NEVER said that the Kingdra matchup was HIGHLY in Plox's favor. I said it was faster and more consistent, but I refuse to believe that a setup Kingdra can beat a setup Plox. I just don't see it happening. Constant Wager abuse+Psy Lock has already proven itself to cripple nearly all decks. Gallade also provides some extra meat and can manage 1 or 2 OHKOs on its own or bring huge threats down to manageable sizes.

Y'all are hyping Kingdra way too much. I understand that it's by far one of the best cards in the set. I know it will be played more than Plox will. I know that people are gonna go crazy over it and it will most likely dominate BRs.

BUT, be realistic. Plox has literally DOMINATED this ENTIRE format since States, and you are going to sit here and tell me that due to it's reliance on DRE/Scramble it has NO CHANCE in next years metagame? What does it lose other than DRE/Scramble? VIRTUALLY NOTHING! And how does it setup any slower? Other than the T2 DRE and Psy Lock it sets up just as smoothly as it does right now. Gardevoir and Gallade are too versatile and powerful to just disappear from the game due to a lack of special energy cards.

Whatever though, you can go on with your narrow minded thinking.
Too many will give up on Plox (maybe that's a good thing, lol) and it will soon most likely disappear, and you will be saying "I told ya so." But, whatever, I already know Plox will still be good.
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If it beats the GG/Plox and Empoleon of now than why didn't you win Nationals with it? And why not take it to Worlds and win that?
Because it is not as good.
I am not narrow minded. I'm the only person who posts on this site who played Dusk/Queen at three large events (two States and Regionals), and made top 8/4 with each. I played seven stage twos, three of which were different Pokemon lines, and I played 15 single cards, and considering my terrible prize luck, that was pretty bold of me.
Would a narrow minded person have done so well with something like that?
No.
Plox certainly will not just die, whoever says that is a fool. But it is definitely NOT going to be better than quite a few of the cards we are getting.
I sure am not hyping Kingdra. I just post what I KNOW is right. I have been testing next format for over a month. I know whats good and what isn't.
Kingdra is good, but there are things out there that are much better. And there are plenty of counters to it.
Plox, however isn't one of them.
 
Mop said:
You are forgeting one amazing card we get in the next set, but I'll let others figure it out, more wins for me as long as it stays under the radar. lol
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Froslass maybe? It sure will be a very good deck.
 
I challenge anyone to beat my AmphTurnCruel with Kingdra. I have been playing it for ages, and now have a 11-2 win streak against Kingdra alone. If you wan tto play Kingdra against me at BRs too, well, thanks for the easy win friend.

Kingdra is good, and beats AMU in my experience. But Lanturn and Tentacruel beat Kingdra. Vileplume/Bellossom? Also great, but will get hit hard if any PLOX shows up. If I had to place all known ideas for DP-LA decks into tiers, here's how I would do it.

Tier 1
Kingdra variants
TurnCruel
AMU variants

TurnCruel is probably a bit higher than it should be, but...I mean wow, it's an amazing if underpreciated deck. Kingdra is obviously quite speedy, as well as AMU. I don't need to say much here.

Tier 2
PLOX/GG
Vilelossom
Eeveelutions/Magmortar

Plox is plagued by a big energy slowdown, even with Togekiss. A good Kingdra will most likely play Alakazam, so they can negate your Kiss drop any time. Vilelossom is a bit slower due to, again, a slower nature, though it can be very good if set up fast enough. Also, depending on how lucky you get with Wounding Pollen. Brushfire/Meatlaf/Whatever is alsom hurt by a more dominant Alakazam and not being able to lay DRE or scramble any more. Magmorat can still be good, but it'll need a different energy accel.

Tier 3
Kabutops
Empoleon variants
Luxray rogue
Blissey
Skittles

Kabutops will be big. Very big,at least, once trainer engines become more dominant, and they well. A shoddy attack hurts the poor guy's chances too. Emp variants lost again lots of crucial speed, and in the wake of Luxray decks and a possible Electivre comeback, not to mention TurnCruel if it actaully does end up popular. Luxray rogues will see play too, seing as he is a pretty good card with a pretty consistent high damage level. Blissey will be back with the Fighting type not so prominent. As good a tank as ever and more importantly can take bigger hits ffrom Kingdra and the like. Skittles will suffer due to a strong water metagame, but still have plenty of potential.

As always if you disagree, I'll play you any time. Either way it's just my opinion, so live with it ^^
 
lulz....armaldo pwns kingdra decks as they can only do dmg if they have a plus power or used bucks training. For that matter, armaldo pwns a lot of decks if they can't push out more that 60 dmg lol. A T2 or T3 Armaldo=Game Over Kingdra
 
Noir said:
lulz....armaldo pwns kingdra decks as they can only do dmg if they have a plus power or used bucks training. For that matter, armaldo pwns a lot of decks if they can't push out more that 60 dmg lol. A T2 or T3 Armaldo=Game Over Kingdra
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You kidding me?:lol:

Kingdra can outdo armaldo. How? 1 Pluspower and 1 Bucks. That's not much.

Play a bucks, attatck for 70-20, play a pluspower, 70-20.

It's not game over, it's find a pluspower. C'mon kingdra's better and faster.

I suggest not playing Armaldo due to AMU's 200 capabilities.

Remeber, this is all speculation.
 
Ryuzaki said:
Kingdra HAS been released, and to say it hasn't is just arrogant and actually quite racist.
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1) Who on earth are you?
2) Where are you, since its 3:34 A.M. and your wasting your time posting on a message board for a card game for kids?
3) Kingdra has been released...in Japan. There's an english version out? I don't think so. Since 99% of us speak english on these boards, I don't think we consider kingdra released yet.
4) How is saying it hasn't been released arrogant? And how on earth is that racist on any level? :lol:
 
Ryuzaki said:
1) You can call me L Lawliet. Though its really not relevant.
2) I posted that at 8:34 local time, but of course, america=the world so yes, it was 3:34. Regardless I don't sleep so time has no relevance to me.
3) Okay, you agree its been released then say you don't consider it released. Wow. Just wow.
4) Its racist because it ignores the existance of Japan.
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1) Okay.
2) It seems like you have a racist issue. It says 3:34. My bad to assume you were from America.
3) Its not out in english yet, so its not released. Its released and playable in japan but we can't speak japenese so we can't really use the cards right now, can we? So how can you conclude that its been released and playable for the majority of people on this board? We can use the translations we currently have to proxy and playtest, but if those translatinos are off, then we have been testing nothing, right?
4) Umm, no. :lol:
 
Ryuzaki said:
I didn't conclude that its playable for the members of this board, I concluded that it has been released.

To deny something's existence on the basis of it only currently existing in a foreign country is an example of racist behaviour.
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I never said it didn't exist, so don't put words in my mouth. Are you calling me a racist? Thats funny, espically after your whole America episode. I said it hasn't be released in the eyes of most players on this site. Most of us don't buy japenese cards, so it hasn't been released and playable for us, now has it? You're obviously missing what I'm saying so I'll just leave it alone. Back on topic, electrode+mr. mime can be made with something like blissey and is a very solid answer to this kingdra issue.
 
You are all looking at kingdra the wrong way. I am building the deck with Garchomp level x, claydol, kingdra, and 3 pokemon to pitch for garchomp to get back. essentially kingdra is just a utility pokemon whos 60 attack is a bonus to me. On top of that I can use him to outspeed GG and empoleon, as well as togekiss. I did not think about alazkazam to stop togekiss, i like that, however even without alakazam, they togekiss a hooh, i just as easily drop a kingdra and one hit the hooh, unless they got 7 energies, they need to 2 hit my kingdra, so if they get 2 coinflips righ thtey got me. Overall if you look at kingdra this way you wil be like, whoa thats pretty beast and very fast. As far as armaldo goes, garchomp alone can take him down, and then the 3 pokemon i am goin to discard and reanimate al have attacks well over 60, so that matchup wont go well. Im still relatively new to this game, but I discussed this with some seasoned players and they were like o_O yup thats how you do it :D:water:
 
Are you kidding me Ryuzaki?
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about, but rather just spewing randomness.
Saying a card isn't released is anything before it's racist.
Papi/Manny is implying that it hasn't been released in America and Europe. As that's where the VAST majority of the people who post here are from.
It has only been released for the Japanese, and the only person who plays in that format and posts here is Tego, to my knowledge.
Thanks for completely derailing this thread, and probably causing it to get locked.

Oh, Steve=0, you were right! Congratulations!
 
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