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I never think of Lackey as slow but it's periodically glitchy. My version is from May though so Idk. Even if apprentice is better it would be nice for someone to keep updating the patches for us Mac users. There is an emerald patch but there was some error in it for me so I just have thru DX. No text isn't really a problem except when your filtering for specific things like grass types for example.
 
the newest version (build Aug 21st) has a working server to connect to players behind firewalls, get it here

i'm working on the UF patch, i should be done in a week.

post any bugs/errors here so i can fix them

also, i'm looking for people to help input card text
 
Trevor said:
I made Lackey. You guys should know that Lackey is still in Beta, so there are still some bugs, but development is very rapid (about every week or so). And I am determined to make it bug free, and truly excellent.

I am revamping the deck editor and the overall interface to make things a lot more intuitive and user friendly.

I realize that the current form of Lackey can be a little tricky for some people to get running, so I will be making a set of auto-update functions for plugins and new features. Lackey works on Mac OSX and Windows.

At the moment, Lackey can only be used to connect to people through typing in their IP address, however, in the next few days (assuming all goes as planned) the opponent finder server will be ONLINE. And Lackey will also support proxy servers, which will automatically be run should you need one. So you should be able to play anyone, even if you have a router or firewall or whatever.
The windows version of the opponent finder server will take a little longer, like about a month. (Sorry windows users.)

Soon, the server will allow people to host massive tournaments as well.

Lackey is very adaptible. If it doesn't currently do something your plugin needs (or wants), I will likely be able to implement it.

There is a lot more to say about Lackey, regarding new features and such, at the forum on www.lackeyccg.com.
I also suggest subscribing to this thread in which I will post updates:
http://www.lackeyccg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=98

Later, features Lackey will have are 3D animated token support, voice chat, table top game support (like Mage Knight, Hero Clicks or DnD Minis), plugin creator tools, and much more.

There will always be an excellent free version of Lackey, but if you would like to support its development, please consider donating through the paypal link on http://www.lackeyccg.com.

Regards,
-Trevor

Thanks a bunch, looks like you have a fine program in development.

Are you accepting any other forms of donation (since I dont have a Paypal account)?
 
Well its been a month and half since anything has happened in this thread so I'm assuming a new patch is not around the corner. That being said, I can no longer stand to play with substitute cards so I will be scanning cards myself and doing all the dirty work (resizing, Notepad, etc.) neccessary to make newer cards playable in Lackey. The current scans of the Basic Energy are crooked and seeing as Energy is used in every game, it bugs me to have things messed up so I decided to fix it. Rather than waste time being picky, I decided to scan Matrix Energy and leave the old crooked energy as is. In the next few hours I will be adding 10 - 12 cards from Emerald and Unseen Forces but only the ones that I use.

If any of you are still using Lackey and would like some cards scanned in, please voice your opinion here and I will do what I can. This IS a popularity contest, however, I will not be scanning Reverse Holo Warp Points or anything like that. Energy stays on the field and it bugged me. Warp Point sits on the table for 5 seconds and my time could better be spent on scanning something like Medicham ex.

I don't have the cards, or the time, to scan everything but I will make an effort to get the major cards taken care of. I don't know where I will upload the new patch, but it will probably be to the Lackey website. I PMed TrEkIeV but didn't get a response so I don't know what the status of his patch is. If you want new cards and want to continue playing Lackey I am trying to help out. If you don't care, good, that means I'll have more time to play.

EDIT: Well I put in 18 cards (I think) and it went pretty smooth. My scanner isn't the greatest so the cards are blurry but I don't think it should be too much of a problem for regular players. As a side note, I switched Pow! and Pokemon Retriever so now the JPG matches with the card text. If there are any other flaws you guys have found, I'd be happy to fix those as well.

Whoever made the Deoxys patch, I like your style as far as the card info is concerned. You can waste a lot of time in Notepad typing in information that is clearly displayed on the card. Perhaps a complete revamp of the plugin is neccessary to get rid of the PokeDex-type information. I guess it helps some people when building decks but I really don't think it needs to be in the game, especially from a writers perspective. Its a lot of work and most of us can easily browse the internet while building a deck and you can search for cards on a website.
 
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Hey, I like lackey. I haven't had much time to do anything with it lately, but I would hate to see it scrapped to the wayside.
 
I recently got the October something version and it runs very smooth for me. In a few games I haven't encountered the so many glitches that would pop up on past Lackey versions, the speed is just fine for me.
I have only been using the RS-Deoxys patch and using proxies.
 
I echo everything Pidgeotto Trainer said, from the Patch version to the speed to the build version and even the proxies. I scanned:

EMERALD;
Matrix Energy (all 6)
Numel (Collect)
Camerupt ex
UNSEEN FORCES:
Ampharos
Houndour
Typhlosion
Chansey
Quilava
Scyther
Cyndaquil
Eevee
Flaaffy
Houndour
Mareep
Mary's Request
Professor Elm's Training Method
Blissey ex
Scizor ex
Typhlosion ex

I'll probably do some more tonight. If someone wants to do scans and can produce some better images than my scanner, I don't mind doing all the other work, I just want more cards in the program. I don't have Medicham ex so nobody ask, sorry. The to do list for tonight: Onix-Steelix ex, Poli-everything, Mew ex (ayo!) and maybe the Basics of ex that I don't have.

EDIT: Tonight for me is about 4AM PST.
EDIT #2: Oh yeah, Venusaur, there is not EM or UF patch that I know of. Lackey is improving though. If anyone has kept up with it, 3D objects are on the horizon (ie literal damage counters on a card) so that's kind of awesome.
 
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TrEkIeV said:
High Quality 23mb Recommended download. The images are large and high quality, but not too large to take up too much space.

I downloaded the high quality and I'm having troubles unzipping it. I get a message that says part of the file is missing try to download again ? I tried 4 times and got the same answer each time ?

Anybody else have a problem with the High quality file ?
Can someone please check the source file on the download server ?

Thanks

:pokeball:
 
Sceptilious said:
I downloaded the high quality and I'm having troubles unzipping it. I get a message that says part of the file is missing try to download again ? I tried 4 times and got the same answer each time ?

Anybody else have a problem with the High quality file ?
Can someone please check the source file on the download server ?

Thanks

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I don't know anything about the source file or any problem compressing it but I do know that the high quality file has not worked since the 1st patch. So yeah, you're not alone in this; I think everyone on Windows has the Medium or Low quality download.
 
While I do not use Lackey, I would like to thank those of you who are continuing to update it.

Why?

Because when I find that it works well enough, I'll probably go through the hassle of dling it, installing it, and of course learning to use it. For now, I don't have time to play anyway.

Also, a good way to demonstrate how "fast" it is would be to mention what you are comparing it to. The thing that scared a lot of us off in the beginning was reports from multiple sources stating that the game was so much slower than apprentice. If you have never played apprentice, everything is almost instantaneous (unless something is of course wrong).
 
Otaku said:
Also, a good way to demonstrate how "fast" it is would be to mention what you are comparing it to. The thing that scared a lot of us off in the beginning was reports from multiple sources stating that the game was so much slower than apprentice. If you have never played apprentice, everything is almost instantaneous (unless something is of course wrong).
Apprentice is definitely faster than Lackey but there are reasons for this.

1) Simply put, there's more to Lackey than Apprentice. Lackey has built in functions that Apprentice does not. Apprentice is similar to the WhiteBoard on MSN Messenger in that you are working with a canvas and it is not truely interactive. Where as Lackey is completely dedicated to CCGs and is intended to actually look and feel like you are playing a real game. The "room" you are in is 3D (somewhat), there is a zoom function, a tilt function, soon we will have physical damage counters, and the list goes on.
2) Another great feature is the ability to highlight and drag items. It works in Lackey exactly the same as it does in standard Windows programs, where as Apprentice lacks that ability and you are forced to move cards 1 at a time.
2) On the subject of cards, Lackey plays with REAL CARDS!! Nothing will ever trump that. You see the cards in your hand and you can look across the table at the card backs of your opponents hand. When you Quick Search or use Celio's Network, you look at the cards in your deck, you can physically SEE what is in play, what is in the discard pile. It is infinitely more realistic that Apprentice in that way and that does cause some speed problems.

What I suggest you do when playing Lackey - until it is officially released, that is - is to take your time and go through all the motions thuroughly. For example, when playing Potion or something, don't drag a card onto the table as quick as possible and then do it again with a 2nd Potion (ie click, drag, click, drag in less than 1 second) this could cause problems and its not like an extra second will kill you. Many people have said it before but I'll reitorate: Click the card, hold it for 1/2 a second then drag it at a moderate speed to where you want it, then let go. You should have no problems playing this way.

Another tip is to go to Deck Editor and click "Load All Images" or "Load All Cards" whatever its called. This takes 3 seconds and will load all the card scans and make the game and deck building much smoother.

P.S. One great thing about Lackey that you might not notice or encounter depending on the decks you play with & against is performing a function on multiple cards. For example, Sand Damage or Wide Laser can both be accomplished by highlighting all cards or Ctrl+click all affected cards. Then Right Click -> Add damage. This will put 1 damage counter on all highlighted cards, as opposed to Apprentice where you have to Right Click 20 times to accomplish the same task.

Oh yeah, and Lackey has a built in Prize function so you don't have to drag Prizes onto the field anymore.

There are a lot more things that I can't think of off the top of my head. Its easier to build decks via sorting and so forth but I think PokePedia and the Pokemon website are best suited for that. There are up to 30 filters you can use when searching for cards, which makes things very easy.

You get your own icon, which is nifty.

Best of all, it gets around firewalls without the hassles of Apprentice. And for all the computer savvy individuals, you can choose which Ports you want to be used for each function, which is extremely helpful for even the most difficult of firewalls. And in the near future, a dedicated server should be hosting games and tournaments, something that Apprentice will never do.

The program is solid, its well built and getting better every day. I can see it being purchased by one of the bigger corporations and being used to host their game(s) exclusively. Though Nintendo would be better off writing their own program from scratch.

I'm sure there's more to say on Lackey's behalf but that's all I can think of now. There are plugins for almost every game including 10-15 that I didn't know existed so you Neopet freaks can play on Lackey too.

I'm starting to think about it and it shouldn't be too hard to set up traditional games on Lackey. Scrabble would be easy, Uno shouldn't be a problem, Sorry, maybe Monopoly. Interesting to think about.
 
Venusaur said:
What you say is true but just 1 thing about apprentice. You can highlight a bunch of cards at once and then right click it and left click add counter, for something like Sand Damage. The only thing thing you can't do with the highlighter is move around a bunch of cards at once which sux.
I stand corrected then. But highlighting and moving is essential in my eyes, due to Retreating, attaching energy, etc. I like to stack my energy under my Pokes and its just too hard in Apprentice

P.S. That whole "Stack As Lands" thing never worked the way I wanted it to.
 
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The proxy server for Lackey is now being tested. You can test it if you DL the Alpha build from
http://www.lackeyccg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=50
and use that instead of the Beta.

If you have know any way in which Lckey can be made better, or notice any bugs, please report them in the Beta tester forum at http://www.lackeyccg.com

I am not involved directly in the creation of the Pokemon plugin. If you have anye questions about adding cards, or correcting card information, email your suggestions to [email protected].
 
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TacC said:
2) On the subject of cards, Lackey plays with REAL CARDS!! Nothing will ever trump that. You see the cards in your hand and you can look across the table at the card backs of your opponents hand. When you Quick Search or use Celio's Network, you look at the cards in your deck, you can physically SEE what is in play, what is in the discard pile. It is infinitely more realistic that Apprentice in that way and that does cause some speed problems.

Actually, response time does. ;) Well, for me at least.

TacC said:
What I suggest you do when playing Lackey - until it is officially released, that is - is to take your time and go through all the motions thuroughly. For example, when playing Potion or something, don't drag a card onto the table as quick as possible and then do it again with a 2nd Potion (ie click, drag, click, drag in less than 1 second) this could cause problems and its not like an extra second will kill you. Many people have said it before but I'll reitorate: Click the card, hold it for 1/2 a second then drag it at a moderate speed to where you want it, then let go. You should have no problems playing this way.

Another tip is to go to Deck Editor and click "Load All Images" or "Load All Cards" whatever its called. This takes 3 seconds and will load all the card scans and make the game and deck building much smoother...


...Oh yeah, and Lackey has a built in Prize function so you don't have to drag Prizes onto the field anymore.

To someone who is apparently an apprentice "speed freak", you have no idea how bad that sounds.

No, I am not bad mouthing Lackey (which we can all agree would be a stupid thing to do on this thread XD), but rather letting you know that a "selling point" you make may not be valid. Having things done for me is fine... so long as they are difficult or impossible to do on the next best thing (in this case, meaning apprentice) and are being almost as fast as I would do them. After all, how silly would making a telephone call be if it was slower than even "snail" mail?

And setting one's prizes on Apperntice manually has become something of an artform... okay, not really, but I know a lot of people have fun making a shape out of theirs. ;)

To summarize: Lacky: good. Apprentice: good. Having options: good. People will choose between them based on different priorities.
 
Otaku said:
No, I am not bad mouthing Lackey (which we can all agree would be a stupid thing to do on this thread XD), but rather letting you know that a "selling point" you make may not be valid. Having things done for me is fine... so long as they are difficult or impossible to do on the next best thing (in this case, meaning apprentice) and are being almost as fast as I would do them. After all, how silly would making a telephone call be if it was slower than even "snail" mail?

And setting one's prizes on Apperntice manually has become something of an artform... okay, not really, but I know a lot of people have fun making a shape out of theirs. ;)

To summarize: Lacky: good. Apprentice: good. Having options: good. People will choose between them based on different priorities.
Yeah, I spose my posts might be coming off as knocking Apprentice but that's not what I intended. I still play Apprentice and I am not discrediting it. I just think that the sky is the limit for Lackey. Apprentice is going to remain the same for the foreseeable future because Dragon Studios has gone by the wayside. Where as Lackey has a solid group of Beta testers and Plugin creators, not to mention a very dedicated gentleman we know only as Trevor. Personal preference really. Now if Apprentice 2 comes to fruitition, all bets are off. :biggrin:
 
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I wonder if people are forgetting one of Lackey's big points: You can create your own games people! Am I the only one who likes designing games for fun? Well maybe I am *is sort of a geek*

You like SSBM? You like CCGs? Well then, I think I'll just combine the two...MWAHAHAHAHA!!!!! *goes off to continue playing God by working on game*
 
One thing that I'm still tinkering with is being able to play regular card games. I know Yahoo! has almost everything covered but they don't have everything covered. Games like Dueces/Big Two/Pusoy Dos, Spoons, Speed, etc. are not readily available on the internet.
 
You people keep missing the single fact that makes Lackey the greatest Pokemon TCG playing program ever.

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IT WORKS ON MACS!!!!!!!!!! 1337OMGBBQTNT!!!!!!!!!11111 :clap: :cool:
 
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