Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

UK "Secret Deck"

Yeah, the EU is really far behind when it comes to making new archetypes. I mean, my team alone made half the archetypes this year and we're only 15 people strong. (R-Gon, MMs, Destiny, Ambush, Super Stantler...)

I don't know why this is the case- but the EU hasn't ever had an SD for worlds, and hasn't ever contributed to the global metagame.
 
ryanvergel said:
Yeah, the EU is really far behind when it comes to making new archetypes. I mean, my team alone made half the archetypes this year and we're only 15 people strong. (R-Gon, MMs, Destiny, Ambush, Super Stantler...)

I don't know why this is the case- but the EU hasn't ever had an SD for worlds, and hasn't ever contributed to the global meta-game.
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Partly agree, and partly disagree...

1st thread title is UK SD. Not an EU SD.
global meta-game?? you mean USA meta-game really.

Then you have to define what is meant by a SD (UGH) There is a difference between a surprise, a secret, and something never seen before. Was Yamato's Empoleon a SD?

There is the factor of language and achieving a critical mass of players. For now I'd say the UK was the 51st state of the USA with close connections to Florida!

amphyrules said:
Pokémon is not a team sport and with the amount of invites we get to worlds, it makes it hard to share with people who could potentially irritate you at Nationals. If more invites were given out, then it would be far more likely.
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I agree except I'd change 'irritate' to 'defeat', with Pokemon you only have to be of similar skill levels to defeat an opponent: the strongest player does not always win. A single shot at worlds is not going to do much to encourage cooperation. The cooperation does happen but is on a much smaller scale.
 
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ryanvergel said:
Yeah, the EU is really far behind when it comes to making new archetypes. I mean, my team alone made half the archetypes this year and we're only 15 people strong. (R-Gon, MMs, Destiny, Ambush, Super Stantler...)

I don't know why this is the case- but the EU hasn't ever had an SD for worlds, and hasn't ever contributed to the global metagame.
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EU is not far behind. It was in the past but we grown.
Your team and mine made the same deck indepent from each other but with the same idea.
Yours won in the USA, mine won in EU.
You named it R-gon I stayed with naming it Flygon.
Both were build on personal style and local metagame, but still they looked very familiar.
This was also the reason you didn't want to discuss my deck in public they matched to well and you didn't want to give any USA player a peak on it.
The problem with all that netdecking is, people prefer to copy a USA deck while they diss the same deck when it comes from any other country.
Don't ask me why they only believe in a deck when it wins in the USA.

And not having a SD for Worlds, LOL our first problem was always to get to Worlds.

This season also is not good for most countries, they will start with a disadvantage again.
MoOst players even don't know yet what format they have to play BR.
Most BR will not include DP2, which requires most players to really make a deck themselves iso netdecking.

I am out, it's correct this was about a UK secret deck.
I always forget that it's everybody on it's own island/ground/territory, we are far away from being united.
 
Some of the posts in this topic are absolutely ridiculous and I've lost a bit of respect for a couple of people as a result.
 
Lia I think we are a long way from having an EU secret deck. There are just too many obstacles to its development. The ONLY example I can think of, of a country specific secret deck, was Magma which was in turn only possible because of a combination of the numerical dominance of worlds places by USA players at the time and the stability in the USA metagame (BLEX).

I've never understood the belittleling of others deck building skills, either individually, regional, or countrywide. The 'we invented it first' claims get a little tired after a while.


[All my SDs are called JABOC :D]
 
Imagine - Autumn BR and in Holland (the only country going HP-DP2) a deck shows up which does very well, but the same "engine/idea" also shows up at the USA BR.
What would happen? I already know, we would be called names because our BR starting later.
While it is very good possible that particular deck was already made and tested long before ANY BR took place.

I don't think this is going to happen, but just imagine.
I only can hope for the moment everyone is on the same format and tournaments starting in the same weekend, that way we could show that Europe has potential.

And EU did have a SD (or whatever you call it) Grumpigstall, but it looks to me people diss the deck even before ever played against it.
 
ryanvergel said:
Yeah, the EU is really far behind when it comes to making new archetypes. I mean, my team alone made half the archetypes this year and we're only 15 people strong. (R-Gon, MMs, Destiny, Ambush, Super Stantler...)
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Not true. You know that. Mukman made that deck, but if he's on Team R (which he's not iirc), k.

And of course EU is behind in archetypes.
Do you expect us to make wonderful archetypes with cards we don't have?
 
Europe HAS HAD its secret deck.

Maybe PSYCO289 didn't ask Drich why him, a member of his Team M, could have let a GrumpigStall won the France-Italy cup.

And what about Flygon Ex LM? It's an American archetype? The deck was so strong that only your best player, Patriarch, had the idea of playing it, while no other USA player used it at Worlds.
Props to John, the best player in the World.
By the way, Kettler didn't noticed that Flygon Ex LM would have had a better play without Delcatty.
The italian and the danish NC guessed that, and they did 2nd place and 22nd place with 4-2 (losing the first 2 games VS KETTLER and so being out of the T16, defeating at the last turn your Daniel C., the EU member of Lafonte who made you proud after winning his NC and your WC Jason K.).

At worlds, only two sides this year had the right play.
Europe and Japan.
The Americans didn't do the right play this year. You have to admit this.

As European, i'm proud of our Flygon Ex LM and our GrumpigStall.
 
Also, Europe will always have a different playing enviorment than USA.

Me for example, having so many players in my country(3rd biggest Nationals in the World, only beaten by USA and MExico), I can show up on a tournament with a deck that has won everything in the USA, but lose all here, because of what techs you use, etc.

Also, It is hard for us to metagame because of 2 things:

1)MANY n00bs with strange decks
2)All our good players are so Versatile, so you can never know what they play for a tournament(I bet this applies to most EU countries)

Anyway, I have just started my first season in Masters, which gives me even more difficult opponents, and I'm looking forward to it, even though you Americans hate Europe and we will most likely have only 1 invite to fight for at nationals(I hope for more, but who knows.)
 
Metanite autowins against grumpigstall??!?!?!?!?!?

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

metanite against grumpigstall is 10-90!!!!

Shiftry EX +latilock has a favourable match up against Grumpigstall 60-40 (version without latilock autoloses btw... about 30-70)

with dugtrio in play you can simply use latias star twice (farmer) to get 4 prizes than use dugtrio + 2 clwa fossils... no need to worry about fossils as 9 turn (9 energy atachment) were enought to get 6 prizes....

BTW, european metagame had a lot flariados and Shiftry wasn't a safe metagame choice.
 
What?
He said that the italian Nats Champ and the danish Nats Champ got XX and XX at worlds with their Flygon ex LM decks, as i understood it.
 
Ardoptres said:
Lol, you can't make an SD for worlds already.
What a piece of s*** to say.
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Mew* said:
Now is a bad time to make a SD for worlds. We still have 2-3 sets to be released before worlds and we just started a new season yesterday...

Go make one for Autumn Battle Roads! >_>
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Spoilers are a SDs best friend you know lol
Then we just add approiate tec/anti-cards before world starts and there you have it.
I did say working on it ......
+ The decks are decks that are no effected by decks that will emerge therefore having no auto-loss its all 50-50 or better.
Its easy to calculatte stuff like this in advance most SDs were being worked on months before they were used its how Card Games tend to work lol
Dont see why you dont get that its easy enough.

Off-topic:Curently Ireland has weried op our stockers are from the UK and I bet our OP manager most be aswell.
This makes no sence to me what does the Uk got to do with the REP. of Ireland?
Northern I reland does not seem to play this game so why I ask?In otherwords this better not mean we share our nats with the uk as the OP shows us under our own country.If so and theres no way around it we need a UK forum.lol

Blah now I am ranting.
 
ryanvergel said:
Yeah, the EU is really far behind when it comes to making new archetypes. I mean, my team alone made half the archetypes this year and we're only 15 people strong. (R-Gon, MMs, Destiny, Ambush, Super Stantler...)

I don't know why this is the case- but the EU hasn't ever had an SD for worlds, and hasn't ever contributed to the global metagame.
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masters '07

1st - EU
2nd - EU
3rd - JP
4th - JP

you made it :thumb:
 
Inventor of a deck: first US player to play it in a big US tournament, or a friend of said player.

The fact is many europeans DO make the big decks often before or at the same time as everyone else, its just that americans don't take notice of what wins/is played over here. Not having the cards isn't really relevant as we all know what they do, and that's something that hasn't even applied for years, so using that as an excuse is pretty lame.
 
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