Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

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bullados said:
Ian wins this thread. I don't think anybody could put it any better than that article.

Was there a followup to that article at some point? I'd like to know what some of the responses were to that.
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I disagree that the link answers the questions asked in this thread plainly because part of my comments are about the dissection of japanese sets. All this article explains is why there has to be bad cards in every tcg. Sure, others were complaining about bad cards, and even I mentioned the overall weak set multiple times, but I don't think it covers this entire thread.
 
Prime said:
To post a positive message, the recent change to theme decks is a great improvement on their part, and I feel the organized play of the game is getting better and better every year. The league promos for this past year have been amazing compared to the years in the past with lame POP set packs. Everything seems to be getting better, but this is one area that I felt compelled to talk about.
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Agreed. As a whole the Pokemon TCG and the Organized Play branch of it have really improved in the last few years. As well as the points Prime made, I thought the fact that POP went from a full JPN ban to 10% showed they listened to the player base. This is why I think it's important to give feedback, it's proven that POP listen and that POP can be improved even more. Both rotations despite some complaints about the format have kept lots more cards legal and helped new players get into the game.
 
People will complain no matter what. Supreme Victors, Arceus, Unleashed. We all complained about how bad the sets were other than Garchomp C and Cyrus's Initiative (which wasn't even popular upon release, mind you), Spiritomb and Expert Belt, and ERL and Judge (respectively).

Other side of the spectrum. Stormfront, Platinum, Rising Rivals. We STILL have people complaining about Gengar and Machamp, Poke Turn and Dialga G, and Luxray GL. The card makers can't really win, it seems.

Also, this set is decent enough. Cards like Weavile, Vileplume, Sage, Energy Exchanger, and Scizor Prime (well, Scizor less so just because of how efficiently Luxray handles it) make the set viable. EVERY SET HAS ITS TERRIBLE CARDS. They're a fundamental part of the game, and the fact that people seem to want sets full of "Poke Turns" and "Garchomps" sincerely worries me.
 
FWIW I agree with Prime that the wizards article does not address his opening post directly.

I disagree that the problem is the repackaging of the Japanese sets. There is no inherent reason why adjusting the sets to fit the needs of the USA and other big box retailers has to make them worse. Is that repackaging sucessfull? would seem like a much more interesting question. Even the simple question as to why TPCi repackage sets is interesting.
 
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http://www.wizards.com/Magic/magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtgcom/daily/mr5
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LOL I was tempted to post that myself!

I don't get the objections here:

- Apart from rotations, why does it matter when cards are printed? If you think a set is bad, you can vote with your money and not buy boosters. If there are still cards you want from the set, trade or buy singles

- I don't understand why the set is being dismissed given that people who draft it seem to like it. Drafting has to be the best way to really get to know each and every card from the set (and actually play with them), as opposed to putting a few of the cards into a deck and moving on

- As a collector, I rather enjoy getting access to huge amounts of promos I wouldn't otherwise get in English. I primarily collect Japanese cards but always enjoy seeing them in sets. In fact, as I don't care if my cards plummet in value (I'm a collector, not an investor), some of the rare promos which were remade in English sets are great. It's my only chance to really enjoy the art and that card

My question to Biggie or anyone else at TPCi would be how do you decide which promos are included and which aren't?
 
dogma said:
My question to Biggie or anyone else at TPCi would be how do you decide which promos are included and which aren't?
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As I stated earlier:
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A lot of those topics are not things I can really go into in depth (product release and global marketing kind of being outside POP's purview) but what I can say is that we have a lot of good people making the best decisions they can to keep this game we all love growing and successful.
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:biggrin:
 
JBowroxmysox said:
Also, this set is decent enough. Cards like Weavile, Vileplume, Sage, Energy Exchanger, and Scizor Prime (well, Scizor less so just because of how efficiently Luxray handles it) make the set viable. EVERY SET HAS ITS TERRIBLE CARDS. They're a fundamental part of the game, and the fact that people seem to want sets full of "Poke Turns" and "Garchomps" sincerely worries me.
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Not FULL of, but more of would be "nice."

As it stands, I don't think UD is as terribad as people are making it out to be. Vileplume and KGL look hot :fire::fire:
 
To be honest, who cares if they creat sets with 2-3 playable cards? Just buy them elsewhere if you're not satisfied with it, which you're probably doing anyway. It's not like things would change, although TPCi might suprise us in the future, like the foreign card rule.
 
Biggie-I am curious about whether POP would think about using good ideas of old from time to time. I still wish for more delta cards, which IMO were the height of the Pokemon TCG. Any chance on seeing more?
 
Sorry Biggie, I somehow missed that!

Is it possible to get someone from Product Release or Global Marketing onto these boards to answer some of these questions?
 
dogma said:
Sorry Biggie, I somehow missed that!

Is it possible to get someone from Product Release or Global Marketing onto these boards to answer some of these questions?
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I'd also like to know this. Being able to hear from some of these people would be amazing!
 
bullados said:
Ian wins this thread. I don't think anybody could put it any better than that article.

Was there a followup to that article at some point? I'd like to know what some of the responses were to that.
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I really liked reading that too ... but Prime's right it doesn't get to his point. We all understand that all cards can't be good. What's left, as the article states is how R&D or whomever puts the good cards out in the course of a year. What Prime is getting at is that this set was cobbled together and the good cards shuffled out and into other sets. By that developer's very own criteria this set is a fialure in that it doesn't smoothly get good cards into play.
 
I will confess, I was much more excited for this set when I thought we were getting some of the lost link mechanics in it, meaning more playable stuff. However, I still bought a box. A small set means it will be very easy to collect, and there are some things which may or may not see play. It depends on how the meta reacts to finally dropping some sets.

Is it a SF/PL tier set? No. But it's no SV, and it's not like it's 150 cards of filler.

Could it be better in terms of playability? Perhaps, but I think the format is still in a recovery phase so we'll see.

Also, that link you posted, NoPoke, is phenomenal. Hats off, sir.

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtgcom/daily/mr5
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Edit: would it be possible to devise a draft format using existing product capable of being determined by player skill more so than luck? I wonder what effect semi-competitive, prized limited events would have on set perceptions!
 
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Stop complaining that the set is bad.

What does everyone want? A higher pull rate for the good cards? More good cards? And then everyone complains about the value of cards going down and the power creep! It's a lose-lose for TCPI!

Personally, I am thrilled to death when we get sets like this that have a handful of decent rares and nothing else. I mean, I am the power creep's biggest hater. Eventually, we're going to have Exodia. That won't be good for the game. We need sets like this to keep the good sets good.
 
Politoed666 said:
Stop complaining that the set is bad.

What does everyone want? A higher pull rate for the good cards? More good cards? And then everyone complains about the value of cards going down and the power creep! It's a lose-lose for TCPI!

Personally, I am thrilled to death when we get sets like this that have a handful of decent rares and nothing else. I mean, I am the power creep's biggest hater. Eventually, we're going to have Exodia. That won't be good for the game. We need sets like this to keep the good sets good.
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While I agree with not wanting overpoweredness, I don't think its completely unreasonable to not want more "competitve tier" cards as much as flat out BETTER cards. I like cards like Ludicolo and Magcargo back in the day that had great synergy. Look at the top decks of today. Jumpluff, Sablelock, LuxChomp, Cursegar, Gyarados, Donphan. All standalones or lacking any core synergy to drive them. I'd rather have cards that work together to make a deck that works ok than anything more that is just so overpowered by itself that there's nothing it needs a partner for, or two cards so destructive their lack of synergy can be utterly ignored in favor or an absolute beatdown style of play. The last deck I can competitvely remember that actually had synergy was AMU for arceus' sake. But underpowered cards with no value to anything are just as bad (here's looking at you Forretress/Bellossom/Skuntank/Raichu/Raticate/etc)
 
I think pokemon should do the same as yugioh does. The main sets are translated and release with a full set of difference between each other, almost the same way it was in japan (except the american sets ADD good promos , like allure of darkness). The japanese promos are put on a promo set, in other word have two sets around the same time (like they did with Hidden Arsenal). Of course yugioh districution system is not perfect either, but as pokemon has fewer sets (unlike yugioh which has its main sets, structure decks with exclusive cards, japanese promos, shonen jump, hidden arsenal/duel terminal, reprint series i.e. Golden Series, tins with exclusive cards (not just different artwork), and duelist packs) I believe it would make things easier.
 
No no no no no. TPCi make it easy to get cards for the most part with packing expansions with promos. That YGO line-up makes my head spin... even the Japanese Pokémon line up sounds less complicated. As a collector, a complicated line-up is a double edged sword. I like the variety but too much makes it very confusing to know what is out there to collect.

EDIT:Thinking about it some more, a set of just promos sounds interesting... but wasn't that essentially Emerald :confused:? Does anyone apart from collectors buy that?
 
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