Werewolf XIII: Ascension of the Packmaster (ENDGAME: See Post 812)
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Absoltrainer
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Arcanine/Arbok Master said:
To be trusted is a greater compliment than being loved.
What reason do we have to trust me?
What reason do we have to not trust me?
I'm neutral.
I won't claim to be a townie because for the time being, there is no way for me to prove I am a townie. That may change in the future, but "Hard to see the future is, always in motion it is" ~Yoda~
On that same note, I won't claim to be a wolf because that would be dumb.
I also won't claim to be an indie cause I'm not one.
If you want my opinion, I think I am a townie, but that's slightly biased.
At any rate, you have no reason to trust me yet, but you have no reason to not trust me yet either. For the moment I can only observe. I have no basis to make an argument toward anyone one person yet, and see no reason to defend any one person yet either.
For the most part, your list tends to target people who post very little, or just enough to stay at the bottom of the radar screen. A couple of people on your list are more active them the rest of the list, but for the most part, the active posters seem to be absent from your list. Just remember that sometimes the most dangerous enemy is the one you let lead your team.
I don't beleive your role reveal, but seeing as I have no proof you are lying, I must assume it's real and I'm just ignorant.
Just figured I'd point this out. it's not an uncommon tactic for a wolf to falsley role reveal. I did it as a wolf several games ago and as a result got the town to turn on it's seer and lynch him.
We've focused a lot on whether Kezzup or G Landers is the hidden wolf in the group, but it would be easair for the leader of the group to hide his role from the other two then either of the subordinites in the group. If we are to accuse any of them as being a wolf, then they should all be suspected evenly unless proven otherwise.
Others have asked you why you don't trust TFP, and in respones you posted some links to posts where other people mentioned him, but you didn't really provide any reaons why you personally do not trust him.
If you do not trust TFP, would you please elaborate on exactly why you do not trust him, if for no other reason then to avoid confusion.
That's all I really have to say about that
waynegg
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From that list I've only eliminated those I am 100% sure on, with the exception of one which dawned on me just after I posted. I want to see others' opinions on the list since others do have info that I don't.
This is the thought which occurred to me after my last post:
Wouldn't it be an interesting twist if PkB is a wolf? It would put a wolf hiding in plain sight, so follow my reasoning on this. He, as a wolf, could have been made Kingmaker as long as it came with the stipulation that he couldn't name a wolf as king. This would have been the perfect scenario to keep the game from being fouled with wolves being in control of both the day and the night and would be the only way of guaranteeing that didn't happen. Then as soon as suspicion fell on him he could just role reveal the Kingmaker part, leaving off the tidbit about being a wolf.
I overlooked this before, but it makes perfect sense now so he in my opinion just jumped from 'no way' to the top of the suspect pool. The role is really of no use to the town, as it only serves as a distraction. The lone clue we have gotten from Cardz are that the wolves have completely integrated into the town. That means to me that roles of the least suspicion could very easily be where we should start looking.
Too late to pick up the revolver buddy. More than 24 hours have gone by.
This is the thought which occurred to me after my last post:
Wouldn't it be an interesting twist if PkB is a wolf? It would put a wolf hiding in plain sight, so follow my reasoning on this. He, as a wolf, could have been made Kingmaker as long as it came with the stipulation that he couldn't name a wolf as king. This would have been the perfect scenario to keep the game from being fouled with wolves being in control of both the day and the night and would be the only way of guaranteeing that didn't happen. Then as soon as suspicion fell on him he could just role reveal the Kingmaker part, leaving off the tidbit about being a wolf.
I overlooked this before, but it makes perfect sense now so he in my opinion just jumped from 'no way' to the top of the suspect pool. The role is really of no use to the town, as it only serves as a distraction. The lone clue we have gotten from Cardz are that the wolves have completely integrated into the town. That means to me that roles of the least suspicion could very easily be where we should start looking.
Too late to pick up the revolver buddy. More than 24 hours have gone by.
Diaz
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I'm pretty sure I trust AT, he's been nothing but helpful to the town. I've advocated that we not only listen to him, but make him king.
Relatedly, I think we should cross off ShineyGdos from our list. In fact, I'm curious as to what he has to say. Either about other players to cross off the list, or for people we should lynch.
More later...
I'm pretty sure I trust AT, he's been nothing but helpful to the town. I've advocated that we not only listen to him, but make him king.
Relatedly, I think we should cross off ShineyGdos from our list. In fact, I'm curious as to what he has to say. Either about other players to cross off the list, or for people we should lynch.
More later...
Pikamaster
Active Member
Waynegg, I think that you're over-analyzing again... Why would he chose, and keep choosing, the experienced players as kings? The order he's chosen is:
1. DP
2. Ikrit
3. Diaz
4. AT
5. SS7
6. TFP
With the exception of Diaz, all of those players have played in at least four games. If he really was against the town he would have been picking the weak players in the start, when his role wasn't known.
jellyfisher
Member
Diaz, why should we cross shinygyarados of the list? I'm not saying he's a wolf or anything like that but he hasn't posted much so there aren't many ways to find out what his alliance is.
That's all I'm going to say for now. To cold to try and find anything else to comment on.
That's all I'm going to say for now. To cold to try and find anything else to comment on.
smacktack15
New Member
I have PMed Kezzup and I will compare all of the roles to see if Kezzup is indeed a wolf. If he doesn't PM me back or makes up his own role, he will be my vote for the lynch. Anyways, I will post the results once I receive them.
waynegg
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Now that I'm not on my phone: gt's=it's. Stupid auto-speller.
He would make those choices for king because choosing weak players would put him in a very bad light and draw attention to him. Therefore it would be extremely dumb to not make logical king choices, just as it is logical for him to plausibly be a wolf as I outlined.
Now, why are you trying to deflect attention from well reasoned logical trains of thought?
@ Diaz- I assume you have good reason to eliminate shinygyarados? Yes or no will do fine here for me.
Pikamaster
Active Member
I'm not trying to deflect attention, I'm trying to find how you reached this line of thought. If people don't question/accuse each other we'll never find out anything. Yes, it's possible, but I personally don't think you're right. And he was anonymous. Until he had to role reveal nothing he did could've been traced back to him, short of the Seer/Detective finding him out, in which case he would be lynched as a wolf anyway.
waynegg
CotD Editor<br>Forum Moderator
And he isn't anonymous anymore. Every action he takes as Kingmaker is very openly scrutinized. Since you can't follow the logic process, let me map it out for you:
1. I'm Cardzmaster2004 and I decide to run this game with a king and a kingmaker.
2. I can't put all the power into the hands of the wolves so how do I solve this problem and make it so that a wolf CAN'T be king?
3. Ah-hah! Put the power of Kingmaker into the hands of a wolf, and then stipulate that he can't make a wolf into a king.
It's really pretty simple. Since he had to role reveal so early, PkB is forced to put players in the role of King for a Day that the majority of players would see as a logical choice. He knows that to do otherwise would focus attention on himself.
Pikamaster
Active Member
Waynegg, you miss my point... He chose DP the first night when nobody knew what his role was. Why would he chose a good player who makes logical decisions when he was anonymous the first time guaranteed? If he's a wolf, why didn't he chose a weaker/newer player? Yes, re had to role reveal day two, but he chose the next 3 people who were going to be king on the first day.
waynegg
CotD Editor<br>Forum Moderator
Wrong!
He has to make a list of 3 possible candidates for King each night in case one or 2 are killed or otherwise incapacitated. You TOTALLY read that wrong. One list is for one night only and has nothing to do with the following night.
Diaz
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Yeah, he read that wrong. But I don't buy the whole "kingmaker is a wolf" theory. I think it's a little too outlandish to follow right now. I think that we at least have better options that to go after pkb even though we might not want to completely trust him.
Also, as for your question. Yes.
Yeah, he read that wrong. But I don't buy the whole "kingmaker is a wolf" theory. I think it's a little too outlandish to follow right now. I think that we at least have better options that to go after pkb even though we might not want to completely trust him.
Also, as for your question. Yes.
pokemon99
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Okay. I would like to start off by saying that I have lots of homework and wont be macking a HUGE post, but I feel that it is going to be long enough to explain everything.
First off, I am the seer. However, I only have an 85% chance of getting a persons correct alignment. I felt that I should have tried to keep that a secret for as long as possible so I can gather the data, but since I am being questioned I have no other option. For the first night or two, i chose people who I thought were suspicious and were good players in past games and during night 3 until now, I chose the people who had a lot of people questioning their role. On the first couple nights, I chose Diaz, and Lucario EX. On the next nights, I chose PKB, Smacktack, and Jellyfisher. Diaz, PKB, and Lucario EX I had been told were townies. Jellyfisher was a mason, and Smacktack my role didn't come clear. Tonight, I will be targeting either TFP or Shining Gyarados. And if anyone has any other ideas, please let me know.
I feel that waynegg is a townie, but if anyone would like me to double check with my role, that may be done as well.
I feel that this should sum up my role, but if there are any more questions I will answer them
Okay. I would like to start off by saying that I have lots of homework and wont be macking a HUGE post, but I feel that it is going to be long enough to explain everything.
First off, I am the seer. However, I only have an 85% chance of getting a persons correct alignment. I felt that I should have tried to keep that a secret for as long as possible so I can gather the data, but since I am being questioned I have no other option. For the first night or two, i chose people who I thought were suspicious and were good players in past games and during night 3 until now, I chose the people who had a lot of people questioning their role. On the first couple nights, I chose Diaz, and Lucario EX. On the next nights, I chose PKB, Smacktack, and Jellyfisher. Diaz, PKB, and Lucario EX I had been told were townies. Jellyfisher was a mason, and Smacktack my role didn't come clear. Tonight, I will be targeting either TFP or Shining Gyarados. And if anyone has any other ideas, please let me know.
I feel that waynegg is a townie, but if anyone would like me to double check with my role, that may be done as well.
I feel that this should sum up my role, but if there are any more questions I will answer them
Pikamaster
Active Member
Wrong!
He has to make a list of 3 possible candidates for King each night in case one or 2 are killed or otherwise incapacitated. You TOTALLY read that wrong. One list is for one night only and has nothing to do with the following night.
Misinterpreted that. But still, he didn't know that he was going to have to role-reveal day two, so why would he pick a good player as king to start off the day?
Anyway, you know my opinion on this, I don't think that me arguing with you is going to benefit the town, so I'll stop.
*Note: This does not mean that I'm saying you should stop discussing PkB*
IMO, we shouldn't just argue about one person. Yes, we need to narrow it down, but narrowing it down too far is bad. Yes, we need to wait for Kezzup to PM Smacktack back before we can really discuss him more, but ShinyGyarados still remains, as does, if you want, Diaz.
Vote: Kezzup
Reason: As I've said, he seems like the most likely person to be a wolf right now.
waynegg
CotD Editor<br>Forum Moderator
I would really like shiny looked at tbh.
Pikamaster
Active Member
Yes, I'd actually like you to look at Waynegg. He's taken over most of the discussion and I'd like to know if he is who he says he is and not a wolf. Yes, you have had some wolfish moments, Waynegg, don't jump on me for this.
IDK what you want me to say. I'm a townie. Wayne your the only one that really seems to be on this right now. A seer has just role revealed and said I was a townie. I don't really know what other way I could prove it to you other than having someone tell me who a wolf is then make them king. I dont really know how else to prove it other than what P99 already ddi by role revealing as seer and saying I was a townie..
Also P99. Look into wayne.
Also P99. Look into wayne.
Diaz
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@P99 how many people have you checked? There have only been three nights. Can you check multiple ppl a night? Because if you can, and have an 85% chance of success, that could be very powerful. Who did your role fail on for that 15%?
Nice, double check my work. That said, I don't think we should waste time on him. He needs to post soon though.
@P99 how many people have you checked? There have only been three nights. Can you check multiple ppl a night? Because if you can, and have an 85% chance of success, that could be very powerful. Who did your role fail on for that 15%?