Werewolf XIII: Ascension of the Packmaster (ENDGAME: See Post 812)
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Diaz
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Well... that explains it. Sounds good to me.
As for the pokemon99, I'm worried about that whole 85% thing. It's pretty dangerous. I think I buy his role reveal though.
With that info, and dropping TFP, cause he isn't going to be lynched, here's the list of suspects. (No order.)
Lucario EX
Kezzup
Reader1237
Kayle
jellyfisher
Arcanine/Arbok Master
Anyone want to narrow it down any more? Let's pick someone?
Well... that explains it. Sounds good to me.
As for the pokemon99, I'm worried about that whole 85% thing. It's pretty dangerous. I think I buy his role reveal though.
With that info, and dropping TFP, cause he isn't going to be lynched, here's the list of suspects. (No order.)
Lucario EX
Kezzup
Reader1237
Kayle
jellyfisher
Arcanine/Arbok Master
Anyone want to narrow it down any more? Let's pick someone?
Arcanine/Arbok Master
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Lucario EX is supposedly clean according to P99.
Apparently so is jelly.
This moves reader up on my list if we assume those others are clean. You said jellyfisher is a mason? Like an actual mason or in a mason group? I assume you mean an actual mason. That didnt give you anything about his alignment or is it assume that a mason would be a townie?
Smack should hurry up and get back to us about kezzup's role. If it seems legit we can probably scratch him off too. That leads me to the following:
Reader1237, Kayle, Shiny Gyarados
No one has mentioned anything about kayle yet but Ive been suspicious the whole game about kayyle's manner of posting: its enough to be considered reaswonably active, but there is never any deep thought about eliminating people from lists. It seems to me (and I could be qrong) that Kayle is posting enough to avoid coming under fire for being inactive and doesnt post anything to deep because then it might become apparent that Kayle is posting from the perspective of a wolf. Not saying I have any hard reason to believe kayle is wolf right now, but....
Vote: Reader1237
Seer: Kayle please
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Apparently so is jelly.
This moves reader up on my list if we assume those others are clean. You said jellyfisher is a mason? Like an actual mason or in a mason group? I assume you mean an actual mason. That didnt give you anything about his alignment or is it assume that a mason would be a townie?
Smack should hurry up and get back to us about kezzup's role. If it seems legit we can probably scratch him off too. That leads me to the following:
Reader1237, Kayle, Shiny Gyarados
No one has mentioned anything about kayle yet but Ive been suspicious the whole game about kayyle's manner of posting: its enough to be considered reaswonably active, but there is never any deep thought about eliminating people from lists. It seems to me (and I could be qrong) that Kayle is posting enough to avoid coming under fire for being inactive and doesnt post anything to deep because then it might become apparent that Kayle is posting from the perspective of a wolf. Not saying I have any hard reason to believe kayle is wolf right now, but....
Vote: Reader1237
Seer: Kayle please
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smacktack15
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I have received the role but, I will need to double check G Landers role to be 100% sure.
Also, pokemon99 did the speak in between fonts thing stating "stack is mason". I think he is mentioning me because I am the only person with a remotely similar username. IDK, just thought I would mention it.
Lucario EX
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Do you get only alignment, or complete roles? You mean you get an incorrect alignment 15% of the time, or just none?
Is there anyone with a priest or roleblocker type role remaining? If so, did you do anything that might have stopped Pokemon99's role from working during the last game night? Because according to the night update, both the Seer and the Detective were successful.
shinygyarados
New Member
Ok, here we go.
First off I am going to repeat what I have said before: Im not going to make posts saying I will post later. Im not going to make posts saying I apologize for this tiny update, but that I have super duper important news to share with you guys the next time I get on. This hasnt been a big deal so far, but I just want to put it out there. I will not post until I have time to write out what I want to say. This is probably going to be the most rant-y part of my post, so... there you go.
So, I think everyone noticed our last kills werent so great. I think we've nailed three townies in three days right? For the most part, it has been the will of the people, no king has gone completly against the town so far. Also, these kills have been heavily influenced by inactivity. Now I'm not saying that we should completly ignore people who are inactive, but I do not think that inactivity should have such a large influence on our day kill decisions anymore. The way I see it we either: A.) got unlucky and lynched the only three townies being inactive and the rest of the inactive players are wolves, or B.) The wolves saw that we were lynching people who were inactive and began posting more. This paragraph in a statement: Inactivity is something to be watched for, but not something to be lynched for.
Ok, so there are definitely some stratagies out there on the internet for townies and werewolves and independents. The fact that they can be brought up with a simple google search means that they should be taken with a grain of salt. Just as a townie can look up tells for a wolf, a wolf can change their stratagy to be different that what is "expected" of wolves.
K so my next point goes for everyone, but the only time I THINK I have seen it so far is with Diaz. If you are going to take a list of people, or reasons, or really anything from someone else, you should include all of that list, even if you dont agree with it, then post reasons why you are changing the list, then your new, changed list all in one post. I THINK that Diaz took waynegg's list of suspects, took some names off , then reposted it in one of his posts. I could be wrong and Diaz was actually editing his own list, if so then this is just preventative. DO NOT DO THIS.
Another point is towards pikamaster and waynegg, but I feel should be heard by everyone. You guys are dominating the conversation, which is not good. Having at least every third post be by one of you two is not good for town discussion. Im not trying to call you wolves, and Im not saying you are innocent either. You guys are choking the disucussion, and limiting other people from making meaningful posts. There is a possibility that you will die before this game is over. You wouldnt want all of the discussion to be taken over by someone else. While the "king" system is less susceptible to bandwagoning, its not totally immune. While it may seem like you are trying to encourage discussion, you are actually discouraging it.
Whats up with all the role reveals? People are claiming their roles right and left, without even being pressured for them to do so. Im not sure I believe pokemon99's, he says he found out that Jellyfisher was a mason, but didnt include any other specifics. This could be an oversight, or he doesnt want to reveal any information that he does not deem necessary. If waynegg wants his to believed he is going to have to tell us what his role will do, but its not like he is under alot of fire anyway.
Also, where did Lakak go, and why did he not get modkilled? Was it that his PM didnt contain any real content, or for some other reason that I am over looking? He has also been outspoken before recently, where did you go Lakak?
First off I am going to repeat what I have said before: Im not going to make posts saying I will post later. Im not going to make posts saying I apologize for this tiny update, but that I have super duper important news to share with you guys the next time I get on. This hasnt been a big deal so far, but I just want to put it out there. I will not post until I have time to write out what I want to say. This is probably going to be the most rant-y part of my post, so... there you go.
So, I think everyone noticed our last kills werent so great. I think we've nailed three townies in three days right? For the most part, it has been the will of the people, no king has gone completly against the town so far. Also, these kills have been heavily influenced by inactivity. Now I'm not saying that we should completly ignore people who are inactive, but I do not think that inactivity should have such a large influence on our day kill decisions anymore. The way I see it we either: A.) got unlucky and lynched the only three townies being inactive and the rest of the inactive players are wolves, or B.) The wolves saw that we were lynching people who were inactive and began posting more. This paragraph in a statement: Inactivity is something to be watched for, but not something to be lynched for.
Ok, so there are definitely some stratagies out there on the internet for townies and werewolves and independents. The fact that they can be brought up with a simple google search means that they should be taken with a grain of salt. Just as a townie can look up tells for a wolf, a wolf can change their stratagy to be different that what is "expected" of wolves.
K so my next point goes for everyone, but the only time I THINK I have seen it so far is with Diaz. If you are going to take a list of people, or reasons, or really anything from someone else, you should include all of that list, even if you dont agree with it, then post reasons why you are changing the list, then your new, changed list all in one post. I THINK that Diaz took waynegg's list of suspects, took some names off , then reposted it in one of his posts. I could be wrong and Diaz was actually editing his own list, if so then this is just preventative. DO NOT DO THIS.
Another point is towards pikamaster and waynegg, but I feel should be heard by everyone. You guys are dominating the conversation, which is not good. Having at least every third post be by one of you two is not good for town discussion. Im not trying to call you wolves, and Im not saying you are innocent either. You guys are choking the disucussion, and limiting other people from making meaningful posts. There is a possibility that you will die before this game is over. You wouldnt want all of the discussion to be taken over by someone else. While the "king" system is less susceptible to bandwagoning, its not totally immune. While it may seem like you are trying to encourage discussion, you are actually discouraging it.
Whats up with all the role reveals? People are claiming their roles right and left, without even being pressured for them to do so. Im not sure I believe pokemon99's, he says he found out that Jellyfisher was a mason, but didnt include any other specifics. This could be an oversight, or he doesnt want to reveal any information that he does not deem necessary. If waynegg wants his to believed he is going to have to tell us what his role will do, but its not like he is under alot of fire anyway.
Also, where did Lakak go, and why did he not get modkilled? Was it that his PM didnt contain any real content, or for some other reason that I am over looking? He has also been outspoken before recently, where did you go Lakak?
waynegg
CotD Editor<br>Forum Moderator
The only time I've posted as you are describing this game day is when pikamaster had direct questions for me. It was pointless for me to not answer. I've been taking the advice from last game day and consciously stopping to 'listen to the wolves talk'.
If we are to take what Pokemon99 had to say as truth, then we should also take his revelations as the truth. That said our best pool to choose from would come from this short list. I'm pre-inclined to go with Kayle, but am definitely open to hear others' reasons for going with somebody else.:
4. Kezzup
6. Reader1237
11. Kayle
19. Arcanine/Arbok Master (I'm leaning the least toward him at the moment, but I can't eliminate yet)
Arcanine/Arbok Master
New Member
Well Smack should get back to us ASAP then with his best opinion about kezzup. If he seems to be a townie then I think reader is the best vote. As I said before though, I would really like to see Kayle seer'd . Assuming of course that the seer lives tonight...
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Absoltrainer
Active Member
The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.”
I quoted Arcanine/Arbok Master, but this is directed at others as well.
You all understand how easy it would be for either Kezzup or Smacktack to lie about what this PM, PRIVATE message said. If either of them is a wolf, they aren’t going to tell the other. Smacktack will come back and say Kezzup is a townie and out only proof will be Kezzup’s and Smacktack’s word. While that’s well and good, do not base your opinions off of other people’s opinions.
Diaz, even though you ended up dropping TFP off your list since he can’t lynch himself, you never actually told us WHY you didn’t trust him. I asked you in the above quote, and you never responded. I am quite curious what sparked the initial distrust.
This part also confuses me. Why the sudden jump on Arcanine/Arbok Master and Jellyfish. If I’m reading that right it’s cause they tried to pick up the revolver, but so did like 10 other people. I’m not saying I do or don’t support the statement, rather I am confused on how you came to the conclusion that AAM should be lynched.
Stupid people never give explanations, and dumb people never listen to them. That’s the reason that no one ever bothers to talk to anyone anymore.
I quoted Arcanine/Arbok Master, but this is directed at others as well.
You all understand how easy it would be for either Kezzup or Smacktack to lie about what this PM, PRIVATE message said. If either of them is a wolf, they aren’t going to tell the other. Smacktack will come back and say Kezzup is a townie and out only proof will be Kezzup’s and Smacktack’s word. While that’s well and good, do not base your opinions off of other people’s opinions.
Diaz, even though you ended up dropping TFP off your list since he can’t lynch himself, you never actually told us WHY you didn’t trust him. I asked you in the above quote, and you never responded. I am quite curious what sparked the initial distrust.
This part also confuses me. Why the sudden jump on Arcanine/Arbok Master and Jellyfish. If I’m reading that right it’s cause they tried to pick up the revolver, but so did like 10 other people. I’m not saying I do or don’t support the statement, rather I am confused on how you came to the conclusion that AAM should be lynched.
Stupid people never give explanations, and dumb people never listen to them. That’s the reason that no one ever bothers to talk to anyone anymore.
I realize that me or G Landers could easily change up the wording of the role when we PMed Smack and made ourselves look like townies. However, that's why Smack said he would compare my PM to GL's, to make sure the wording was the same. If the wording was different, he'd know one of us was a wolf. I think that GL is a townie (not completely sure though) so the roles should match up.
Arcanine/Arbok Master
New Member
554.
Exactly. If one of the two of them is a wolf then he would have different wording than the other for his role (highly likely at least). Since I already believe Smack is a townie (for previously repeated reasons), then he should be able to give a decent opinion on whether or not the wording is sketchy in kezzup's role.
Exactly. If one of the two of them is a wolf then he would have different wording than the other for his role (highly likely at least). Since I already believe Smack is a townie (for previously repeated reasons), then he should be able to give a decent opinion on whether or not the wording is sketchy in kezzup's role.
smacktack15
New Member
Guys, I am just waiting on G Landers for his role reveal to me (I had a copy before but, it looks like I deleted it :/).
Kayle
Active Member
yes. please check me and you'll see that i'm a basic townie without a mason role and completely unimportant. then we can get on with the business of finding the wolves.
I have no more reason to believe you than you do to believe me. And, sucks that I just got a massive amount of homework dumped on me right when I finally might come under fire, but no excuses. If you wanna dance, sure. I'm a waste of your time.
tl;dr since I'm in class, lynch smacktack and everyone who believes him just for what he posts because what he is saying is becoming more and more ludicrous every second (saying he's having PM conversations with people and trying to use that as weight, REALLY GUYS???). Okay, maybe I'm not serious about lynch, but come on, are you really just going to believe him for what he says?
As for people worried about the depths of my posts (though, in my defense, I've attacked both Waynegg and Diaz before, but...), this is my first WW game, the inability to trust anything anyone says is kind of overwhelming.
How do i shot logic?
Diaz
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I got it from Wayne’s list from last game-day. He eliminated people he had reason to believe were townies, and came up with a list of suspects. I think that it was a pretty decent list. On that list, TFP was the 4th most likely wolf. That’s why I don’t trust him. I’ve been much more comfortable with past kings.
That said, I’ve been increasingly uncomfortable with that vote since I made it. The nice thing about it is that if neither of those two are wolves, a townie probably picked up the gun.
I got it from Wayne’s list from last game-day. He eliminated people he had reason to believe were townies, and came up with a list of suspects. I think that it was a pretty decent list. On that list, TFP was the 4th most likely wolf. That’s why I don’t trust him. I’ve been much more comfortable with past kings.
Jellyfisher and AAM were players on the list I posted previously who also tried to pick up the gun. I made that list from a list that Wayne posted, but I eliminated some players.
That said, I’ve been increasingly uncomfortable with that vote since I made it. The nice thing about it is that if neither of those two are wolves, a townie probably picked up the gun.
Arcanine/Arbok Master
New Member
I guess there is no real way to tell who picked up the gun unless they say something? I imagine cardz wont even tell us when whoever gets it gets it. I dont have it. although I dont know if he has even given it out yet. He seems to be semi-inactive so he probably hasn't.
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pokemon99
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I will for sure be checking waynegg tonight, but I will probably just check him because we need all the clarification we can get.
Also, I have some messages to reply to.
I just get allignment. However, if someone says that they are the kingmaker, then if I see that they are a townie, they are probably telling the truth
I didn't want to blatantly state this, but my role did work on the last night. I just did not think that revealing smacktack in front of everyone was a good idea, especially because he might be able to use his role on me.
Mind telling us about your role then lakak? Or is it just "not important"
Ill post more later, and will answer any questions that come up.
Also, I have some messages to reply to.
I just get allignment. However, if someone says that they are the kingmaker, then if I see that they are a townie, they are probably telling the truth
I didn't want to blatantly state this, but my role did work on the last night. I just did not think that revealing smacktack in front of everyone was a good idea, especially because he might be able to use his role on me.
Mind telling us about your role then lakak? Or is it just "not important"
Ill post more later, and will answer any questions that come up.