meganium45
Active Member
OK, let's put this phone-a-friend thing in check.
A judge is NOT to simply pick up the phone and check a ruling during an event.
The judge is to go to the HJ.
If the HJ is really still not sure after going through their materials, they can do 1 of 3 things...
1. Make the best call they can with the resources available at the time.
This is not perfect, but it is the duty of the head judge to make the final call. Once the call is made, the HJ should make some kind of note to themselves regarding a call they feel was on the edge, in case it is questioned (possibly) by PUI at a later time, in that the number 1 priority of the HJ is to maintain the integrity of the event. PUI will stand by a call 100% of the time made by a HJ if it is done in good faith. The HJ should consult and get input from the other judges at the event as needed.
2. Talk to the TO/PTO to get input about what should be done next.
Before a call goes offsite at one of my events...I want to know why and where. The last thing a PTO/TO wants is a phone call from PUI asking why a Colorado Judge made a questionable ruling at their event if they had no idea it was happening.
The HJ makes the final call, but having a TO/PTO there to bounce the ideas off of is generally a good thing. The TO/PTO will usually then make the call to the outside judge to bounce it off of, and get the outside judge's opinion, and then allow the HJ to make the final ruling, taking into account that Judge's opinion.
3. Call an outside resource is the TO/PTO is not available.
There are times that TOs/PTOs are not available at their events for whatever reason. In this instance, a HJ may feel the need to call an outside source to get an opinion for their call. Once it is done, it should be noted, with the final call made, and reported to the TO/PTO at the first opportunity.
What should not happen. Judge takes an appeal to the HJ. While the HJ is making a ruling judge calls xx at another event and says, but "xx" thinks...
"Phone a friend" should be done by HJs or TOs...that is why we are there.
Most phone a friends will listen, give their opinion, and then throw it back and say, what do you think...they will get the opinion of the HJ and say "I could support that ruling, given what you have told me"...or "OK, but that sounds a bit harsh"...it is not the job of the phone a friend to make the ruling, but to help the HJ talk through the ruling.
There you go.
Vince
A judge is NOT to simply pick up the phone and check a ruling during an event.
The judge is to go to the HJ.
If the HJ is really still not sure after going through their materials, they can do 1 of 3 things...
1. Make the best call they can with the resources available at the time.
This is not perfect, but it is the duty of the head judge to make the final call. Once the call is made, the HJ should make some kind of note to themselves regarding a call they feel was on the edge, in case it is questioned (possibly) by PUI at a later time, in that the number 1 priority of the HJ is to maintain the integrity of the event. PUI will stand by a call 100% of the time made by a HJ if it is done in good faith. The HJ should consult and get input from the other judges at the event as needed.
2. Talk to the TO/PTO to get input about what should be done next.
Before a call goes offsite at one of my events...I want to know why and where. The last thing a PTO/TO wants is a phone call from PUI asking why a Colorado Judge made a questionable ruling at their event if they had no idea it was happening.
The HJ makes the final call, but having a TO/PTO there to bounce the ideas off of is generally a good thing. The TO/PTO will usually then make the call to the outside judge to bounce it off of, and get the outside judge's opinion, and then allow the HJ to make the final ruling, taking into account that Judge's opinion.
3. Call an outside resource is the TO/PTO is not available.
There are times that TOs/PTOs are not available at their events for whatever reason. In this instance, a HJ may feel the need to call an outside source to get an opinion for their call. Once it is done, it should be noted, with the final call made, and reported to the TO/PTO at the first opportunity.
What should not happen. Judge takes an appeal to the HJ. While the HJ is making a ruling judge calls xx at another event and says, but "xx" thinks...
"Phone a friend" should be done by HJs or TOs...that is why we are there.
Most phone a friends will listen, give their opinion, and then throw it back and say, what do you think...they will get the opinion of the HJ and say "I could support that ruling, given what you have told me"...or "OK, but that sounds a bit harsh"...it is not the job of the phone a friend to make the ruling, but to help the HJ talk through the ruling.
There you go.
Vince