vanderbilt_grad
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As a participant I like doing 100% deck checks before the event. It takes a bit more time up front ... but it also saves time since judges don't have to be doing random deck checks later on.
Keith, I don't see how you come to that conclusion (10%, then another 10%). I suppose the first sentence in the Deck Check rule could be constued as a bit ambiguous regarding that all decks be checked, or just 10%. I read the rule to mean that the 10% is referring to spot deck checks to police those who might change their decks after registration.
Furthermore Keith, when you quote from the Deck Registration rule, I think you'll agree that the deck list MUST be turned in before the tournament starts. I'll agree that the timing of the deck checks is left for PTO interpretation.
Anyway, I'll concede that because the Deck Check rule is a bit ambiguous, a spot check of 10% of the decks through out the tournament could be sufficient for PTOs adhering to the "letter of the law." However, I take my example from POP and PTOs who run high-level premier events - 100% deck checks BEFORE the tournament.
Keith, I don't see how you come to that conclusion (10%, then another 10%). I suppose the first sentence in the Deck Check rule could be constued as a bit ambiguous regarding that all decks be checked, or just 10%. I read the rule to mean that the 10% is referring to spot deck checks to police those who might change their decks after registration.
Furthermore Keith, when you quote from the Deck Registration rule, I think you'll agree that the deck list MUST be turned in before the tournament starts. I'll agree that the timing of the deck checks is left for PTO interpretation.
Anyway, I'll concede that because the Deck Check rule is a bit ambiguous, a spot check of 10% of the decks through out the tournament could be sufficient for PTOs adhering to the "letter of the law." However, I take my example from POP and PTOs who run high-level premier events - 100% deck checks BEFORE the tournament.
Huh? I think you misread my comment. US Nats is high-level. POP runs high-level tournaments.SteveP: I'll be sure to pass that info along to Mike L, Pete and Dave at the next premier tourney they run (ie Nats) that you think their events aren't "high level". :wink:
Sometimes, it just isnt practical to do full deck checks (pre tourney) and get out af a venue in the proper time. I've done it both ways.....you do what fits the venue and staff best for that tourney. Doing a 100% deck check prior to the tourney only catches the "illegal" cards or bad sleeves....it doesnt catch the cheaters!
Keith
Steve, Keith is correct in what he says.
It is 10% of the total, not a deck check of all and then 10%.
Optional deck checks were done at Nationals and at Worlds.
Deck Lists are mandatory, initial deck checks are not.
Good idea for Juniors and new players, but not mandatory.
Nope. Here's the quote from the rules for how to do a deck check:Steve, It is possible to check that a deck meets the format requirements without a decklist.
I suppose if you're only interested in doing a partial deck check such as checking for format adherence, you wouldn't need the deck list. But, a partial deck check is not optional, IMO, for premier events (unless POP is running the event, of course), for deck checks that fall into that mandatory 10%. In that 10%, you gotta do a FULL deck check; otherwise, you're "picking and choosing" what part of the rules you want to follow and ignore.2007-2008 POP Tournament Rules said:Deck Contents: The deck checker should verify that the contents
of the player’s deck matches the cards on the deck list. The card
title should match the card listed, and the set abbreviation and
collector number of each of the Pokémon should be listed.
Absolutely agreed. About 3 years ago we failed to adequately check decks at CO States. A kid had more than 4 of the Pokemon in his deck. He thought the rule-of-4 only applied to individual cards. So, he had multiple versions of the same Pokemon (ie., 4 metal Pikachus and 4 lightning Pikachus). We made him change his deck without a game loss, be he was so devasted that he hasn't returned since.Just IMHO the pre-event deck checks are more than just catching cheaters. Weeding out the illegal cards is a really big deal. The first post, describing juniors in tears, is HUGE when you are talking about the long term health of the game. Pre-event deck checks help the young and new players and there are a lot more of them than there are active cheaters.
First off it is the PLAYERS responsbility for both the deck and deck list!!! As far as I know all judges that deck checked at Nationals and Worlds told the players this and I have heard Dave Schwimmer say this all the time.