Why dont Card shops host Pokemon leagues and tournaments?

[Crinus]

The thing we just not seeing collectors in the game like we use to, because their is nothing worth collecting in the last 3-4 years IMO.

I go to my leagues and about half of the players there 3-4 years ago they probably didnt know what Pokemon was, ones who did never would be able to collect much of the game anyway. Their is just so little collecting being done on the game.

But you ask how it tears apart the game, well Pokemon is one of the best games for collecting IMO and it lacks in North America in the last few years, sure we got promos like prerelease promos, tin promos, and such, but at the same time, all of which was released in mass numbers to, meaning everyone will have it.

The only card nowadays printed in English unique to a collection would be award cards for battleroads or cities, whenever they give them out. Tropical Beach is there but more people rather slap that in a deck than collect it.

 

[baby mario]

Still not seeing how this is 'tearing the game apart'. I've noticed zero angst from the players and collectors I know on this subject.

What is it that you want exactly? You don't like playable promos like TB (because people put them in decks), and you don't like easily available promos. So TPCI should be releasing unplayable cards and making them hard to get to artificially create a collector's market?

 

[Crinus]

I aint against TB or other playable promos.

I just want to see a bigger push of promos, special sets, along with a bigger push of sanctioned play more regularly.

I think the collecting aspect is what drives a bigger audience to the competitive nature of the TCG.

Right now its just more about playing the game than collecting the cards.

I think we need to go back to the old WOTC formula where holos were 1:3 packs and do away with this reverse holo mess.

 

[baby mario]

I don't think you understand Pokemon very well.

A lot of players and collectors like the reverse holos.

The idea that thousands of collectors are going to flock to Pokemon (and take it up competitively) if they start screwing with the rarities is a fantasy. All that would happen is that existing players would be priced out of the game.

Right now Pokemon is relatively affordable to play, and there is also a big collecting element to the game. Sanctioned tournaments run from Sept -June (plus Worlds in August) and there are always Leagues. I think they could do things to fill the gap in the summer, but apart from that, it's fine.

 

[djjoe227]

I aint against TB or other playable promos.

I just want to see a bigger push of promos, special sets, along with a bigger push of sanctioned play more regularly.

I think the collecting aspect is what drives a bigger audience to the competitive nature of the TCG.

Right now its just more about playing the game than collecting the cards.

I think we need to go back to the old WOTC formula where holos were 1:3 packs and do away with this reverse holo mess.

There's 25 Promo cards per year. Roughly. and I'm speaking of only ones numbered, such as HGSS01, or BW01 (Example- Tin Promos)

Additionally, there are League Promos (Lillipup/Grass Energy), Prerelease Promos (Gigalith EP, Victini NV), Staff Promos (Same, Marked "STAFF"), Judge Promos (PONT, PETM, etc) and Event Promos (Such as Regionals, Cities, etc.).

Also, you can't forget the in-set collectible cards, such as Fullarts, Primes, LVX, LEGENDS, Shiny, or Secret Rare.

And while you may not value them highly, there are people who like to Reverse Holo their entire SET (Where as, more commonly, people would play with an all-foil deck).


To bring back Magic The Gathering- they have roughly 29 Promos per year if I'm not mistaken. They have 12 FNM Promos (Some of which aren't Standard Legal), a Promo for Worlds, 4 Gameday Full art cards, 4 Participation Gameday Full art cards, 4 Prerelease Cards, and 4 Release day Cards. The only other Promos they have, if you want to even count them, are their Alternate Arts and Reprints that are included in the Planeswalker Decks, their yearly Multiplayer Gimmick, and their "From the Vault" series.

....How many promotional cards would be sufficient?

 

[Crinus]

The number is right, the distribution aint.

anyone can get those cards.

MTG promos you listed though on the other hand, this is about how Pokemon should be done.

 

[Otaku]

anyone can get those cards.

Yes, anyone can get those cards, but not only does everyone not get them all, few do.

If you want them to be more rare, kindly start collecting Yu-Gi-Oh until you feel your soul dying and wonder why you wanted this kind of violation visited upon you.

 

[TheRolesWePlay]

And you think that those promos are inherently harder to get. Promos get rarer with time, and that's half the joy of collecting because the cards you have become rarer as time goes on since copies get forgotten, lost, or destroyed.

 

[Crinus]

Yes, anyone can get those cards, but not only does everyone not get them all, few do.

If you want them to be more rare, kindly start collecting Yu-Gi-Oh until you feel your soul dying and wonder why you wanted this kind of violation visited upon you.

No, because in yugioh those rare cards would be the most playable to.

 

[meganium45]

Boy oh boy, we want everything free again (promos and playable cards) and we still then ask why card shops may not want to carry Pokemon or support the game?

If a game gives you everything for FREE, then why would you want to have to pay for ANYTHING?

Let's take a look at a great pack, Black and White Base.

Other than the FULL ART Zekrom and Reshiram, what exactly are you hunting for out of these packs that would get you to pay $4.00 per pack?

They - Pokemon has GIVEN AWAY the Ability Starter Stage 2s, the Zororark, alternate forms of the Reshiram and Zekrom...

When they GAVE AWAY Double Colorless Energy and Rare Candies I CRINGED. Once again, no incentive to have players BUY packs (or singles).

Well, at least I get my money from the Championship Series events, NO I DON'T....THEY'RE FREE!!!

Every game has its dead sets, I know that, but Pokemon has been working (even harder than Yugioh) to make its playable cards the cheap cards.

We still have our $20 gems from time to time, the Donphan Prime, Yanmega Prime, Magnezone Prime...and Mewtwo Level X looks promising (oh, wait, it's a DOUBLE PRINT EX).

Right now, thank goodness they did not Full Art the Blue Dragon or he would be worth Meh.

Vince

 

[djjoe227]

No, because in yugioh those rare cards would be the most playable to.

"Playable" is an opinion.

Take Shuckle, for example- Nobody played Shuckle, but once Emboar came out, Shuckle shot up to $10 a piece because of an idea. Now it's back down to a reasonable affordable value.

If you look at Magic, the only promos that are difficult to get are the Fullart promos awarded to winners of Gameday. Why? Because it was limited supply to limited people. Everything else is bought.

The same goes for Pokemon- the only difficult card to obtain right now is Tropical Beach, and depending on your opinion Victory Cup/Medal. That is because, once again, these promos are won, not bought.

In essence, the availability between both games is about equal. Pokemon just has more.

Everything is available if you put some effort and money directly into it.

 

[Crinus]

ok so we got a movie coming out this Friday in theaters.

Will their be a promo for it? most likely not

Will McDonalds do a promotion? looks like a big no.

I got big gripes with this, they would do it in Japan, here?

nothing.

PUSA/Nintendo

refuses to spend money in North America or advertise.

 

[djjoe227]

ok so we got a movie coming out this Friday in theaters.

Will their be a promo for it? most likely not

Will McDonalds do a promotion? looks like a big no.

I got big gripes with this, they would do it in Japan, here?

nothing.

PUSA/Nintendo

refuses to spend money in North America or advertise.

Is it too much of Pokemon to ask that you simply enjoy the movie?

 

[baby mario]

ok so we got a movie coming out this Friday in theaters.

Will their be a promo for it? most likely not

Will McDonalds do a promotion? looks like a big no.

I got big gripes with this, they would do it in Japan, here?

nothing.

PUSA/Nintendo

refuses to spend money in North America or advertise.

We had McDonalds promos in June.

Japan is a totally different Pokemon culture/market with a totally different release schedule.

You don't understand Pokemon and are just making up stuff to whine about. No-one else really cares about these so-called 'big gripes'.

 

[Crinus]

There's 25 Promo cards per year.

But the problem is most of these promos are pure junk.

Holo energies at the league (ok I can take that)

But then all the other league promos is nothing more than a reprint of a card out of a set altered with the play pokemon logo and sparkly foil.

Then you got tin promos......eeeeeek, yeah starter pokemon made as holofoils, most of which are probably a reprint from a set anyway.

looking through my binder I see some unique promos I classify as real promos, like Zoroark, Blastoise staff promo, I can deal with the Raikou, Suicune, and Entei shiny promos I guess from a tin, the Charizard lvx I can deal with.

But then i see alot of junk like Treecko, Tepig, Oshawott, Snivy, and Victini possibly one of the worst prerelease promos Ive seen in history.

So really theirs about 5-6 good promos out of 20+ a year.

what I consider a good promo involves using good or popular pokemon, Pikachu, Mewtwo, Zoroark, and on occasion they get it right.

Go back to WOTC days, most promos was a promo in Japan. Now are we get is recycled cards that was in a set thats just more shiny.


What about the Pokemon White movie promo jumbo? Money bets that it wont be the Japanese Victini Jumbo, instead its probably the NV set Victini, again more proof of PUSA inc incompetence and laziness in running the game in North America.

Want more proof of PUSA laziness? try and navigate Pokemon.com website.

 

[TheRolesWePlay]

But the problem is most of these promos are pure junk.

Holo energies at the league (ok I can take that)

But then all the other league promos is nothing more than a reprint of a card out of a set altered with the play pokemon logo and sparkly foil.

Then you got tin promos......eeeeeek, yeah starter pokemon made as holofoils, most of which are probably a reprint from a set anyway.

looking through my binder I see some unique promos I classify as real promos, like Zoroark, Blastoise staff promo, I can deal with the Raikou, Suicune, and Entei shiny promos I guess from a tin, the Charizard lvx I can deal with.

But then i see alot of junk like Treecko, Tepig, Oshawott, Snivy, and Victini possibly one of the worst prerelease promos Ive seen in history.

So really theirs about 5-6 good promos out of 20+ a year.

what I consider a good promo involves using good or popular pokemon, Pikachu, Mewtwo, Zoroark, and on occasion they get it right.

Go back to WOTC days, most promos was a promo in Japan. Now are we get is recycled cards that was in a set thats just more shiny.


What about the Pokemon White movie promo jumbo? Money bets that it wont be the Japanese Victini Jumbo, instead its probably the NV set Victini, again more proof of PUSA inc incompetence and laziness in running the game in North America.

Want more proof of PUSA laziness? try and navigate Pokemon.com website.

Game viability and good promos are two entirely different things. Promos are just that, Promotional cards. Pokemon like Treecko, Snivy, and the like. These cards often hold the appeal of being cute, cool, or being based on popular Pokemon. Weather they're reprints or not doesn't often matter to collectors, because they want the whole set, not because they want viable cards to make a deck with.

 

[djjoe227]

But the problem is most of these promos are pure junk. Opinion

Holo energies at the league (ok I can take that)Opinion

But then all the other league promos is nothing more than a reprint of a card out of a set altered with the play pokemon logo and sparkly foil. Definition: League Promotional Card

Then you got tin promos......eeeeeek, yeah starter pokemon made as holofoils, most of which are probably a reprint from a set anyway. Actually, "eeeeeek" is the attack on Cleffa, which also is a Promo, HGSS12. The tins are made to have those Promos, to Promote the game.

looking through my binder I see some unique promos I classify as real promos, like Zoroark, Blastoise staff promo, I can deal with the Raikou, Suicune, and Entei shiny promos I guess from a tin, the Charizard lvx I can deal with. So you complain about Reprints, but then say how you think these are real promos but when in fact these are reprints (Unless you mean the Snarl Zoroark, which would contradict your playability opinion).

But then i see alot of junk like Treecko, Tepig, Oshawott, Snivy, and Victini possibly one of the worst prerelease promos Ive seen in history. Opinion

So really theirs about 5-6 good promos out of 20+ a year. Opinion

what I consider a good promo involves using good or popular pokemon, Pikachu, Mewtwo, Zoroark, and on occasion they get it right. Popular Pokemon include Starter Pokemon and their evolved forms, so this directly contradicts your opinion towards Treecko, Tepig, Oshawott, and Snivy; Victini is also popular as the first Fire/Psychic downloadable Pokemon in the Unova region, and is the star of TWO upcoming Movies. Minus the bonus of being a Fire type, Victini has the same qualifications as Mewtwo.

Go back to WOTC days, most promos was a promo in Japan. Now are we get is recycled cards that was in a set thats just more shiny. Your opinion lacks example. What Promos? The ones you can't use in tournaments? The ones we get that nobody "wants"?


What about the Pokemon White movie promo jumbo? Money bets that it wont be the Japanese Victini Jumbo, instead its probably the NV set Victini, again more proof of PUSA inc incompetence and laziness in running the game in North America. Again, is it too much to ask that you go to the movies to enjoy a movie? That is the problem with your opinions, you feel as though you deserve a Promotional Card that is different than what you can normally get. You forget that Promotional cards are Bonus; You don't have to get anything.

Want more proof of PUSA laziness? try and navigate Pokemon.com website. Ok. Done. Next problem that only you seem to be having?

Answers in Bold. Alot of what you're saying seems to be just your basic whining. Don't forget that Promotional Cards are supposed to be Bonuses to Promote Product and Events; They are not supposed to be Rewards for necessarily helping Pokemon achieve their Goals. Until Today (or Yesterday), your only knowledge of the Victini Movie in America was that it was limited showing. Now they're giving out something FREE and all of a sudden what they give out matters? Take it, it's free, and enjoy the movie. Don't be one of the people that are the reason they don't give out as many things as Japan- because they go to the movie (or whatever the occassion) get the Promo, and leave.

 

[Crinus]

They were right to give out a promo.

But lets get real, a Victini jumbo that is replicated out of the set? Why not the Japanese one which was different? They already gave out 1 victini promo in the prerelease. Its simply more laziness by PUI.

Your opinion lacks example. What Promos? The ones you can't use in tournaments? The ones we get that nobody "wants"?

Ill look into that statement to see, all I know is most all WOTC Promos were a direct reprint of a Japanese promo into english. They ended up putting Fossil Mew as a star promo though, which I wont complain.


My opinion is the TCG is great, how its promoted or organized in tournament play, is sort of different story now.

WOTC - I thought promoted the game great and distributed cards better and ran leagues better. They however fail to introduce any type of decent sanction play to my knowledge, and they did all of this to draw players into MTG.

PUI/Nintendo all of them is quite opposite - I think they stink at promoting, their tournament structure is real shoddy, although its ran decent. Its laziness, look at why they are lazy below.

Why are they lazy?

1. Delay in rewards.

2. Try and navigate the Pokemon.com website, its a mess.

3. Lack of promotion, you dont see advertisements for Pokemon White, they use NV Victini as the jumbo promo when their was the Japanese version Victini that suited it more. Wheres the McDonalds promotion? Perhaps this is on McDonalds though, who knows???

4. League promos is what exactly? reprints of set cards no one wants that are shiny, with exception being the Energies.

5. Tournament structure, this is anyones opinion, but they need to clean up alot of mess and start getting hobby shop owners involved in this game to promote some sort of weekly tournament that will crisscross into a league meeting.

Again, is it too much to ask that you go to the movies to enjoy a movie? That is the problem with your opinions, you feel as though you deserve a Promotional Card that is different than what you can normally get. You forget that Promotional cards are Bonus; You don't have to get anything.

Its about the laziness factor, instead of giving that other Victini Jumbo that Japan got, they just super enlarged a Victini out of NV set and printed it out.

 

[Prime]

I'd like to see more support for extended formats in Pokemon. If Yugioh can get away with every set being legal (minus a ban list), and Magic can show support for Extended formats and Unlimited formats, I don't know why Pokemon can't do the same.

 

[Crinus]

Because if Pokemon made every set legal, it be a nightmare.

This is just speaking on what came out of the base set.