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It's kind of hard to say they have "screwed us over" when all of the cards are free. 
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BloodDraek
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It's kind of hard to say they have "screwed us over" when all of the cards are free.
I hate to argue, but I believe they have screwed us over
in pop 5 there was a lot that was good
DRE
mew d
rare candy
umbreon/espeon star
where we got new cards where now they are just giving us reprints of stuff we have tons of already. I now have 7 lucarios, 6 bastiodons, 5 rampardos, 5 manaphy, 10 pachirisu dp version. You can no tell me they did not screw us over
chriscobi634
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and what are the lucarios, bastiodons, etc. etc. worth in the format right now? Not much. The only thing out of Pop 7 is Gallade which everyone already has their set of, maybe even 2 sets.
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Yes, I have said that. However, WPM, you are not in the same position as a League Leader. Or whoever is giving you the scans of set cards early, either. You are in the position of having no agreement with anyone regarding confidential material or keeping promos available for the ones that earn them.
Whoever is giving you scans of nearly complete sets is/are breaking multiple agreement, if not ones that they have made directly, then those made by the person that has given them access to the cards.
In the case of set scans, some PTO is breaking confidentialy somewhere. Maybe not directly to you, but somewhere in that chain.
In the case of POP cards, someone opened 100+ packs of promo cards in order to get that near complete set you have on your site. That's 30+ players worth of support.
Someone is doing something wrong!
I've just said that I have always maintained that the one doing wrong is not you, but your source. So please don't misrepresent what I've said. A league leader should not be releasing this info early.
I'm not necessarily talking about Plebeianprint here if he only opened 4 packs or so, which is relatively minor, But your source raided their kids' support.
You have no idea what motivates people who want to do the right thing, it seems.Don't let people get to you, especially when you are doing a favor for both players in real life and players on the Gym. The people who are usually the loudest are those who want to pull you down - the people who appreciate people like you simply remain silent and appreciative. Don't let people like Lawman get to you.
We use exactly the same journalistic code as many major news organizations due in this regard.
There's a perfect example from recent events. Responsible news organizations kept quiet about Prince Harry being in Afganistan for months. To protect his life and the life of those that served with him.
However, once the Drudge Report put the news out there that he was in the war zone, all news media covered it as well. Because it was now public knowledge.
The Drudge Report was wrong for releasing the info, but once it was out there, the other organizations were perfectly right to now cover it.
This is a similar situation. We keep confidential info confidential.
But once it is out there, whether from your site or wherever, we're perfectly right to allow discussion of it.
Please don't lecture to us about journalistic morality, unless you're pulling another early April Fools joke...
Plebianprint, don't feel bad about the people jumping on the bandwagon here. I think many members here are just angry that they cannot post information because the Gym is tied to POP. PokePop has told me on many occasions that if he were in my position, he'd be doing the same thing (posting info early). Don't let people get to you, especially when you are doing a favor for both players in real life and players on the Gym. The people who are usually the loudest are those who want to pull you down - the people who appreciate people like you simply remain silent and appreciative. Don't let people like Lawman get to you.
Another thing: If the Gym's higher ups are so against information being posted early, why do you allow discussion of it? You cry about it, yet if it helps to promote discussion here, you're all for it. If you are going to stick to your morals of posting info on time, don't stop short when the situation is in your favor (in terms of allowing people to talk about it). Get what I mean?
EDIT: As for taking the info to other sites thing, I'll gladly take you up on your offer next time in case I am missing any cards.
Jon: I'm not trying to get him down, I am simply pointing out a FACT. Those packs are to be EARNED, not OPERNED BEFORE the season even starts. Of course, you have no problem accepting ILLEGAL items/scans :nonono: As a LL also (and a PTO and multiple times over Judge), I give back to the GAME all the time. Ask the players who won the picabears I took as doorprizes to TN states yesterday! And the japanese deck boxes! All out of my pocket....NO reimbursement from the PTO running the event or PUI (for those items...I did receive judge support....THX PUI and Clay!)
The bottom line ...... when you sign up to be a LL, you agree to a CONTRACT with PUI. You will dole out the prizes according to their guidelines. You are given SOME wiggle room, but you are told that the packs are not to be opened beforehand. (Just like with product on PRs)
Keith
PS I notice you didnt say a thing about SD Mom or anyone else getting onto Plebe, just me.....nice.
quite obviously, you just don't get it, do you?
there is all KINDS of stuff i...and many, many others, certainly...could post here or elsewhere, *IF* i didn't care about: 1) violating the NDA i signed as a PTO; 2) breaking the trust POP has extended to me as a LL; 3) keeping confidence with the people i've spoken to at POP; and 3) forever burning my bridges with them the first time i posted something i shouldn't.
thing is, i know better: i value the relationship i have with the folks at POP...and would NEVER risk that for the ego-stroke of being a 'source' for info that isn't supposed to be public knowledge. don't dare lecture us on journalistic morals on the one hand, while pulling stunts like the fake GE phione on the other. you can't have your cake and eat it too.
jmho.
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there is all KINDS of stuff i...and many, many others, certainly...could post here or elsewhere, *IF* i didn't care about: 1) violating the NDA i signed as a PTO; 2) breaking the trust POP has extended to me as a LL; 3) keeping confidence with the people i've spoken to at POP; and 3) forever burning my bridges with them the first time i posted something i shouldn't.
thing is, i know better: i value the relationship i have with the folks at POP...and would NEVER risk that for the ego-stroke of being a 'source' for info that isn't supposed to be public knowledge. don't dare lecture us on journalistic morals on the one hand, while pulling stunts like the fake GE phione on the other. you can't have your cake and eat it too.
jmho.
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a_shy_girl_1999
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I agree with 'Mom. I have been a league owner before; that product is for the players and not to just open up so you can be a source of info. I understand why theres a lot of people upset here. Those pop packs they give to you for league support are to be earned; not to be opened by the LO before they earn it themselves.
Plebianprint, don't feel bad about the people jumping on the bandwagon here. I think many members here are just angry that they cannot post information because the Gym is tied to POP. PokePop has told me on many occasions that if he were in my position, he'd be doing the same thing (posting info early). Don't let people get to you, especially when you are doing a favor for both players in real life and players on the Gym. The people who are usually the loudest are those who want to pull you down - the people who appreciate people like you simply remain silent and appreciative. Don't let people like Lawman get to you.
Another thing: If the Gym's higher ups are so against information being posted early, why do you allow discussion of it? You cry about it, yet if it helps to promote discussion here, you're all for it. If you are going to stick to your morals of posting info on time, don't stop short when the situation is in your favor (in terms of allowing people to talk about it). Get what I mean?
EDIT: As for taking the info to other sites thing, I'll gladly take you up on your offer next time in case I am missing any cards.
Discussing what might be in a set, even discussing what is public knowledge of what is in it, is WAY different that posting the scans of the acual cards. I'm sure you don't think the people on the gym are dim enough to think it's the same.
The only thing you are doing is promoting your site that post illigal scans. You are not in a postion to teach anyone anything about morals.
Darn it i have been doing it all wrong the 9 or 10 years i have been in this game. I get what i need for my set decks and trading and then give all the extras away. Anything from commons all the way up to and including ex and lv x. I am always lending cards and complete decks to people so they are able to play. I always thought you did it for the love of the game, to help promote the game and help out your fellow players. It never came to mind to do it just for i what i could get out of the game. But do it for what i could give BACK to the game. Must be the senility is getting worse then i thought. Oh wait do you hear that? It's the * *sarcasm detector exploding*:thumb:
Oh wait do you hear that? It's the * *sarcasm detector exploding*:thumb:
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hectagonman
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Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
Water Pokemon Master
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@ PokePop: Who said anything about ONE person opening 100 packs? Who even said packs were opened?
@ Lawman: I thought lawyers were supposed to research their facts before arguing so passionately, especially about legality and illegality. Or do they just assume facts based on how things appear, then provide general arguments? And don't call me "Jon" when I don't know you and you don't me in real life. I'm not on a first name basis with you.
@ Mom: Phione and posting scans early have nothing in common in this situation. Do you simply like to pull unrelated events out of a hat to make a person look bad to promote your own points? That's generally called an ad hominem.
When it comes down to all of it, information will always be leaked early. In the case of the Pokemon card game, early information does not hurt the game, but promotes it. As I was saying before, if you hate it so much and are against it, why do you promote the discussion of it? (No, I was not satisfied with PokePop's answer.) You are obviously setting a bad example for future information leakers by making people believe it is okay to even discuss it. :nonono:
*Expects someone to reply to that last paragraph not understanding its sarcasm. *
@ Lawman: I thought lawyers were supposed to research their facts before arguing so passionately, especially about legality and illegality. Or do they just assume facts based on how things appear, then provide general arguments? And don't call me "Jon" when I don't know you and you don't me in real life. I'm not on a first name basis with you.
@ Mom: Phione and posting scans early have nothing in common in this situation. Do you simply like to pull unrelated events out of a hat to make a person look bad to promote your own points? That's generally called an ad hominem.
When it comes down to all of it, information will always be leaked early. In the case of the Pokemon card game, early information does not hurt the game, but promotes it. As I was saying before, if you hate it so much and are against it, why do you promote the discussion of it? (No, I was not satisfied with PokePop's answer.) You are obviously setting a bad example for future information leakers by making people believe it is okay to even discuss it. :nonono:
*Expects someone to reply to that last paragraph not understanding its sarcasm. *
homeofmew
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@WPM the info may be leaked but you don't have to post about it, or advertise it on your site jimo. It would keep you out of trouble. There are times in Magic where the items leaked are over 2 years in advance. In pokémon the info leaked is always is like a week(or so)? I am not justifying it, it is still leaking. Pokémon wants to have some surprise factor I don't blame them.
The Darkrai/Palkia/Dialga tins is a excellent example. people were paying $50-$80 (Darkrai) for a eventual tin card. If this info was leaked (during the pre release or soon after) people would not have bough as many GE boxes (maybe) [this would have been a leak that would have saved some people on pokegym $ --;]
The Darkrai/Palkia/Dialga tins is a excellent example. people were paying $50-$80 (Darkrai) for a eventual tin card. If this info was leaked (during the pre release or soon after) people would not have bough as many GE boxes (maybe) [this would have been a leak that would have saved some people on pokegym $ --;]
hectagonman
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My guess is
Pop figured out that they were giving away some good free cards so they stopped doing it resulting in people having to buy more stuff top get the good stuff.
Or
It's just coincidence.
Pop figured out that they were giving away some good free cards so they stopped doing it resulting in people having to buy more stuff top get the good stuff.
Or
It's just coincidence.
Water Pokemon Master
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Mhm! I have said that before as well. They only attack people when it is external. When scans were posted here for earlier EX sets by people, no one ever complained. The same applies to POP 6. That's why I generally do not care anymore about what several people on here say - most people like early information.
does it MATTER if it was 'only' 3 packs that XX number of LL opened early for you, or if it was XXX packs opened by ONE LL?
NO: the issue is still the same. the packs are in the _custody_ of the LLs, for their league members. they don't _belong_ to the LL, they belong to POP, until they are earned by the league participants.
justify it, go on the offensive all you want without even once addressing the issue of **packs being opened before they are released, or EARNED**.
i for one have a clear conscience when it comes to the materials POP trusts me to distribute; it's pretty obvious others don't. after all, if it was really 'all right' to do so, they'd not be anonymous 'contributors' to your site, nor have to think about possible consequences from POP for doing so, would they?
'mom
NO: the issue is still the same. the packs are in the _custody_ of the LLs, for their league members. they don't _belong_ to the LL, they belong to POP, until they are earned by the league participants.
justify it, go on the offensive all you want without even once addressing the issue of **packs being opened before they are released, or EARNED**.
i for one have a clear conscience when it comes to the materials POP trusts me to distribute; it's pretty obvious others don't. after all, if it was really 'all right' to do so, they'd not be anonymous 'contributors' to your site, nor have to think about possible consequences from POP for doing so, would they?
'mom
I guess it's a pride thing. If someone else get's it first, then it was "stolen" or "illegal" or "fake". But if Pokegym got it first, it's "perfectly legal" and "real"
.Fact is, if anyone brings up this "Your leaked information is illegal" defense, which, many people in this thread have, just realize each time someone on the Pokegym has "leaked" information, you have pretty much praised that person. In fact, I would go as far as to say anyone who pulls the "Your leaked information is illegal" defense is a hypocrit.
Like it or not, information is *ALWAYS* getting to get leaked. Whether it is on Pokegym first, or Pokebeach first, stop arguing like school girls. =X.
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