A simple proposal for regionals....
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David's Confused Pokedad
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1: Jimmy, best wishes at and safe travels to MI this weekend (if it even happens). The weather here in OH is a (pain) and is only going to get worst. I jsut hope it doesn't hit too much farther north.
2: On one of the bannings, I kinda have to agree with you on Gardy. It pretty much makes it impossible for you to play a decent Supporter and feel safe versus any (P)-based build. Free trainer uses without drawbacks are a bit broken in the format right now, and no solid soft counter or true hard counter currently exists that can handle it. I'm unsure fo what will be in the enxt set, but I don't see any sort of counter coming up for a format powerhouse. Like Sneasel and Slowking before it, this card needs to go.
3: On the other bannings (and this may come from me not having played a solid build of this deck yet), but I don't see Magmortar as a huge problem. Sure, the Body is a bit much, but its HP is decently low enough and should still be able to hit the d/c pile quickly enough. Water techs along with differnet counters (ER2 and Bench snipers soft; CC, Lake Boundary, Beach hard) all exist in a high enough quantity to deal with this card. Some emtagame must exist in order for the game to survive and I only see Magmortar as a rather large portion of it. Other decks still exist and I think we'd see them in higher quantity minus Gardys.
4: I still say that the format is less diverse because of power creep, not jsut because of broken cards. Few players will play any major pokemon line from before DP for fear of double weakness. On top of that, pokemon from pre-DP have, on the whole, lower HP, greater retreat cost, and less powerful attacks. Essentially, the older cards are useless unless they are used in utility. What we need to see is some leveling off of the power creep or we'll see this game eventaully fall to the playability of YGO, only those with top cards will make the top cuts.
2: On one of the bannings, I kinda have to agree with you on Gardy. It pretty much makes it impossible for you to play a decent Supporter and feel safe versus any (P)-based build. Free trainer uses without drawbacks are a bit broken in the format right now, and no solid soft counter or true hard counter currently exists that can handle it. I'm unsure fo what will be in the enxt set, but I don't see any sort of counter coming up for a format powerhouse. Like Sneasel and Slowking before it, this card needs to go.
3: On the other bannings (and this may come from me not having played a solid build of this deck yet), but I don't see Magmortar as a huge problem. Sure, the Body is a bit much, but its HP is decently low enough and should still be able to hit the d/c pile quickly enough. Water techs along with differnet counters (ER2 and Bench snipers soft; CC, Lake Boundary, Beach hard) all exist in a high enough quantity to deal with this card. Some emtagame must exist in order for the game to survive and I only see Magmortar as a rather large portion of it. Other decks still exist and I think we'd see them in higher quantity minus Gardys.
4: I still say that the format is less diverse because of power creep, not jsut because of broken cards. Few players will play any major pokemon line from before DP for fear of double weakness. On top of that, pokemon from pre-DP have, on the whole, lower HP, greater retreat cost, and less powerful attacks. Essentially, the older cards are useless unless they are used in utility. What we need to see is some leveling off of the power creep or we'll see this game eventaully fall to the playability of YGO, only those with top cards will make the top cuts.
Yep, it's a setup card. Oh, and it's attack is kind of like having EM Medicham ex active (both were cards that won Worlds). Oh yeah, I forgot, it can still level up and use Bring Down to OHKO everything your opponent has in play. Hmm, you also have many choices of what to play with that evolutionary line: Gallade, Gardevoir PK, Gardevoir ex d, Gardevoir SW.
So yeah, Gardevoir SW is kind of like the old Pidgeot... on steroids. :lol:
The format has been in far worse shape.
Feraligatr (Riptide) and Blaziken EX were awful. They were difficult to counter and turned below average players into contenders. The only thing one had to do was get the cards.
Here's hoping Jimmy's deck does GREAT and challenges the current front-running decks.
Feraligatr (Riptide) and Blaziken EX were awful. They were difficult to counter and turned below average players into contenders. The only thing one had to do was get the cards.
Here's hoping Jimmy's deck does GREAT and challenges the current front-running decks.
I have a question about those two decks. For how long did they rule the format? Right now we've had the same two decks in place since City Championships. We will probably see the same thing come Regionals (whatever Jimmy's deck is, there's always a counter for the counter). All in all, this entire season has left a bad taste in my mouth with the exception of all the different Blissey decks (BlissCat has been the only deck I've enjoyed playing competitively this year). Were those two decks dominant for an entire season? If so, how did players react to their dominance? What event led to the end of those decks? And my gosh, couldn't people just counter those decks (as many have suggested at the current situation), especially with the 2x weakness?!
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Nu Gundam
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Let's just say Riptide Gatr literally trampled the format and then some ever since the deck idea came out, and nothing could stop it since there none of the decks could become a sure counter against it (Entei/Magcargo came close, but weakness didn't help). I believe the only reason why its dominance ended is because of the massive adoption of Neo Genesis Slowking IIRC ... and that card ended up getting banned in Modified for the very same reason (I had the displeasure of checking decklists for 2002 Worlds, and over half the decks used Slowking).
Gorn: Since I didn't play from 2003 to 2006, explain about Blaziken EX if you don't mind as I am quite curious about that deck ...
Also $5 says Jimmy's "Answer" is MT Gyarados :lol:.
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Flygon999
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yeah garde is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay to good. your right, it's like a cess, a pidgeot, and an attack to OHKO with the least HP all in one! just 1 of these 3 things is very good. not only that, it's got a gallade that evolves from the same line! imagine that! Gallade would still be good without garde. but no, they just had to make the best cards in the format evolve from the same pokemon.
ryanvergel
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You couldn't find a new picture or anything? Try to be a bit more creative next time.
I don't have sour grapes. I simply wanted to show that it wasn't Banette that dominated, it was banette's cakewalk that dominated.
I don't care about losing.
DarthPika
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^How true.
I you get rid of Gardy and Gallade the pink nightmare aka Blissy is back along with Lucario. Before G&G was out ppl complained that Blissy was to good and that you couldn't stop it. Then we heard from japan that there was a deck that made Blissy all but die out, and everyone couldn't wait for it so more decks would be playable. Well, now you got the stupid deck and your now complaining that IT'S to good....
Get over it, just wait until the next set.
*Eddit* In no way is any harshness directed towards BANGINBOX.
I you get rid of Gardy and Gallade the pink nightmare aka Blissy is back along with Lucario. Before G&G was out ppl complained that Blissy was to good and that you couldn't stop it. Then we heard from japan that there was a deck that made Blissy all but die out, and everyone couldn't wait for it so more decks would be playable. Well, now you got the stupid deck and your now complaining that IT'S to good....
Get over it, just wait until the next set.
*Eddit* In no way is any harshness directed towards BANGINBOX.
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Absoltrainer
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Ban Blissey!
Ban Absol!
Ban Garde!
Ban Mag!
Ban Wager!
Ban Mars!
Ban vire lv X!
An interesting list of cards asking to be banned. All of those have been wanted banned at some point on the gym. Interestingly enought ALL of those cards have won tournaments at one time or another.
Ban Absol!
Ban Garde!
Ban Mag!
Ban Wager!
Ban Mars!
Ban vire lv X!
An interesting list of cards asking to be banned. All of those have been wanted banned at some point on the gym. Interestingly enought ALL of those cards have won tournaments at one time or another.
Absoltrainer
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I don't, but i am pointing out that at some point of time there has been a "ban X card" on the gym for all of those. Everytime a new DP set is released people have a problem with one pr more of the cards.
FriedBlaziken
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what if you limit the cards like in yugioh?
if you limit ralts to 2 or 1 playing gardy would be pointless
edit: ^ well said.
if you limit ralts to 2 or 1 playing gardy would be pointless
edit: ^ well said.
If I recall correctly:
Riptide was untouchable until Neon (when Trash Exchange rotated out).
Blaze Ex/Garde Ex - from Dragon til the advent of Rock Lock.
It's like Jenga, pull a block and tower comes down. We've always had dominant decks. Sometimes we get something really diverse (Neon), but it comes and goes. Banning is not the answer to people's difficulties in coming up with alternative decks at this point, for that reason.
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