Only think that kept me wondering, can you really get your Mesprit Lock going flawlessly every game? Seems difficult to me and your matchups depend on this a lot. If I'd pklay Luxray against this I'd focus on spraying your mesprits while sniping for some prices somehow, and the moment I get a turn with Powers I'd try to get Croak/Psychic/Dce(Gal Switch) and Expert Belt for the OHKO.
Regigigas Lock; It Ain't Dead Yet
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prodigal_fanboy
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I don't know if it's 60-40 Luxchomp, but I do disagree that good Luxchomp v. good Gigas is 90-10 Gigas.
Cetra, I have Redshark and AIM/Skype/MSN. Message me on one of the three or here with a Hamachi network to join and I'd be down to log a few games with you (can't commit to ten, three is prolly tops).
Lastly, it's per se. Not per say. Per se. Sorry that really has bothered me in some of your posts.
Cetra, I have Redshark and AIM/Skype/MSN. Message me on one of the three or here with a Hamachi network to join and I'd be down to log a few games with you (can't commit to ten, three is prolly tops).
Lastly, it's per se. Not per say. Per se. Sorry that really has bothered me in some of your posts.
Can't guarantee anything tonight with plans to go out and such, but I did add you and would like to play a few rounds when we have the time. I work weekends 4pm PST-12 and not sure if I have Monday off yet but I always have Tuesdays off if that helps at all.
Look forward to hearing from you.
In another note, I've changed the match up percentages. I still believe Gigas to have a favorable matchup against it, but I'm tired of my original rating of 90-10 being tagged into every comment. The new rating is 70-30 with favor to Gigas. It's hard for me to drop it any lower than that considering my personal history against the deck in and out of the tournament format.
prodigal_fanboy
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Just beat your list with Luxchomp playing against a friend.
Sprays hurt you just as much, and you don't always have initiative.
He got the T1 downer lock which helped a little if he had the hand to convert to a T2 gigas, but I had the spray.
Side note: the guy was a bit rusty, although he used to be really good. He didn't draw any disruption or Gigas X (in part because he only got through 1 Set-up for 2 and I KO'd his Claydol after spraying a Cosmic). Then again I kept whiffing on Cyrus.
Sprays hurt you just as much, and you don't always have initiative.
He got the T1 downer lock which helped a little if he had the hand to convert to a T2 gigas, but I had the spray.
Side note: the guy was a bit rusty, although he used to be really good. He didn't draw any disruption or Gigas X (in part because he only got through 1 Set-up for 2 and I KO'd his Claydol after spraying a Cosmic). Then again I kept whiffing on Cyrus.
Cetra, this decklist is really nice. I fully plan on working up my own list - it seems to me we have very similar playstyles ( My most prominent and favorite deck was AMU, too! xD ) and I would really like to talk to you about making this deck run more quickly.
Either way, I really wish you would go to Nats. ;_; I would love to meet up and playtest with you.
-Ven
Either way, I really wish you would go to Nats. ;_; I would love to meet up and playtest with you.
-Ven
northwest huh? how much time difference is that with europe (gmt+1) 6/7 ?
you could join my hamachi server MeesB no pass. i will be on from 19;00-23;00 gmt +1.
sometimes you got to joke a bit
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in tournaments he is like 2/3-1 against luxchomp
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northwest huh? how much time difference is that with europe (gmt+1) 6/7 ?
you could join my hamachi server MeesB no pass. i will be on from 19;00-23;00 gmt +1.
sometimes you got to joke a bit
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in tournaments he is like 2/3-1 against luxchomp
That's Just regionals and states with my one match against Zane in cities. Throughout cities I played A LOT more Luxray garchomp than just 3. Add in how many people at my league playing it and the people I live with playing it and I've had a LOT of playtime with the deck. I have no clue where you got you number, but it's been bugging me alot.
prodigal_fanboy
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Cetra -- I'd just like to point out that in many respects, games from Cities are abstractly but not concretely applicable -- the same themes apply, but not only have build evolved, but more importantly, DCE has seriously altered the options available to Luxchomp (and to a lesser extent Gigas -- Zen Blade and Gigaton Punch) in the matchup.
Box of Fail
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^Actually, DCE makes Drag Off amazing versus Luxchomp.
After testing a few matches with Cetra the following became clear:
the match up is in favor of gigas, not a lot, more like 60/65-40/35.
gigas WILL overpower luxchomp in the end (not at the start), the games he won came down to 1-1/2-1 in prizes.
there are 3 ways for luxchomp to win the match up:
1) kill your opponent's setup (spray them to death)
2) Break the lock at a crucial moment and OHKO gigas (with promocroak).
3) get lucky in the end.
option 2 looks easy but is hard to do with the hand disruption, powerlock, and deck milling.
congrats Cetra, those where great games.
the match up is in favor of gigas, not a lot, more like 60/65-40/35.
gigas WILL overpower luxchomp in the end (not at the start), the games he won came down to 1-1/2-1 in prizes.
there are 3 ways for luxchomp to win the match up:
1) kill your opponent's setup (spray them to death)
2) Break the lock at a crucial moment and OHKO gigas (with promocroak).
3) get lucky in the end.
option 2 looks easy but is hard to do with the hand disruption, powerlock, and deck milling.
congrats Cetra, those where great games.
I hereby aprove this message LOL.
In other news I had a lot of fun. Still not a big redshark fan but its whatever. He played really well and Congrats for that.
Now I'd like it if we could all drop the luxchomp stuff finally lol.
prodigal_fanboy
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I forgot to list it, but yes, that is an option. And you need a belt for it to be genuinely effective, and then you're open to a two-prize counter KO.
Meesie's analysis also seems more or less accurate in the post. You stall out after having taken four prizes with Luxchomp if you can't get a good answer to Gigas or keep the pressure to convert bench to prizes.
smacktack15
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Good article but, I disagree with the match-ups a lot=/
I don't think LuxChomp has any really bad match-up (almost at least 50-50 across the board) so you winning 70 games and only losing 30 is way off. I would say it is at most a 50-50 tipping in LuxChomps favor.
For DialgaChomp, your best card AKA Warp Point doesn't work out (coughDEAFENcough)
The other match-ups are off but, those are the two big problems I had with it.
The list isn't to my liking either (2 Initiative seems sloppy, 3 rescue seems pointless, etc.) but, it is your list which I can't change.
Overall, nice article.
I don't think LuxChomp has any really bad match-up (almost at least 50-50 across the board) so you winning 70 games and only losing 30 is way off. I would say it is at most a 50-50 tipping in LuxChomps favor.
For DialgaChomp, your best card AKA Warp Point doesn't work out (coughDEAFENcough)
The other match-ups are off but, those are the two big problems I had with it.
The list isn't to my liking either (2 Initiative seems sloppy, 3 rescue seems pointless, etc.) but, it is your list which I can't change.
Overall, nice article.
yeah sadly your wrong and luxchomp actually has a bad match up here. i am Cetra's room mate and i play this deck so much it makes me sick. whats funny is you say i think. caus weve actually tested and he even has results. you cant tell him the two out of three match he won today and the constant top cutting and beating luxchomp is wrong becaus its already happened. one other thing is the surprise factor people seem to forget now that the list was up you can figure how to play against it its different when he flips a Giggas and you start your stragety and then he goes and starts messing with your hand and deck and locking you, for the most part your locked all game.
Thanks for all the fun games cetra and you wrote a great article good luck at battle roads with finally not reggigas.
People like you are wearing my nerves man D:<
I don't even wanna respond to this .-.
Please re-read the article THEN tell me WHY Iinitiative is sloppy and my rescues are pointless ._.
Posts like this bother me. I bet you haven't even played this deck at all, so how could you comment on the specific decklist and the match-ups? And even if you have, how many games have you played?
Dialga isn't going to be Deafening all game and Luxchomp definitely has match-ups worse than 50-50 (Jumpluff? helloo?).
nnaann
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Messie's won the Benelux Cup with Luxchomp, and concedes it's in Regigigas's favour. Do you want Cetra to play everyone on Redshark to prove this? Jumpluff has a positive matchup against Luxchomp as well.
fabulousTaz
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WOOT FINALLY SOMEONE POST ABOUT REGI <3!!!!!!!!
Been playing it forever now. Tested FOREVER for regionals with a friend cause he wanted to play it (he ended up going top 16 but losing being stalled out :-( ). FEEWWWWW things
DCE MADE THIS BEAST! People keep thinking it loses to sp cause of sprayin sac. If regi is played right its nto really a issue. How u suppose to deaften when u have a regi smacking you and u have to have 2 nrg and a gain just to do even do the attack. Not that easy
Anywho luxchomp match is iiiiinnnnnn depends lol different ways to play regi and luxchomp techs. Generally though give or take its in luxchomp favor 65-35. Thats assuming both players know each others decks. Most luxchomp players though when first play regi are lost and fall into the lock pretty easily. If the luxchomp player plays a very annoyin ballon then its more in luxchomps favor as luxchomp just takes 6 prizes before regi does.
Oh and regi la > drag off AANNNNNNND the deck has a favorable match up to cursegar, though cursegar is eh anyways....
Been playing it forever now. Tested FOREVER for regionals with a friend cause he wanted to play it (he ended up going top 16 but losing being stalled out :-( ). FEEWWWWW things
DCE MADE THIS BEAST! People keep thinking it loses to sp cause of sprayin sac. If regi is played right its nto really a issue. How u suppose to deaften when u have a regi smacking you and u have to have 2 nrg and a gain just to do even do the attack. Not that easy
Anywho luxchomp match is iiiiinnnnnn depends lol different ways to play regi and luxchomp techs. Generally though give or take its in luxchomp favor 65-35. Thats assuming both players know each others decks. Most luxchomp players though when first play regi are lost and fall into the lock pretty easily. If the luxchomp player plays a very annoyin ballon then its more in luxchomps favor as luxchomp just takes 6 prizes before regi does.
Oh and regi la > drag off AANNNNNNND the deck has a favorable match up to cursegar, though cursegar is eh anyways....
@naaaan: Please no... ._. I DO have a life, and though I enjoyed the games with Meesie, I was almost late for work, and have lots of laundry to make up lol.
@ Taz: You totally had me until your 3rd paragraph -_-'
Glad to hear you like Gigas and all, but though I do prefer LA universally for most situation, Drag off is Far Superor to countering a lot of the big meta players, at least in my area. As for luxchomp...this debate is getting sooooo stupid. I, as the player that built and uses the deck on a daily basis at the least to oplay against my roomates can beat Luxchomp on a regular basis barring crappy starts/ well planned disruption in setup. If you're a lucxchomp player I'm going to FORCE you to think and give you one helluvah game at the least. In the end, my deck usually wears you out because for the most part I can just plow through you.
You and your friend obviously have different play styles...
As for the match VS Dialga, they shut off downer material but I do agree that they won't be deafening all day long.
@ Taz: You totally had me until your 3rd paragraph -_-'
Glad to hear you like Gigas and all, but though I do prefer LA universally for most situation, Drag off is Far Superor to countering a lot of the big meta players, at least in my area. As for luxchomp...this debate is getting sooooo stupid. I, as the player that built and uses the deck on a daily basis at the least to oplay against my roomates can beat Luxchomp on a regular basis barring crappy starts/ well planned disruption in setup. If you're a lucxchomp player I'm going to FORCE you to think and give you one helluvah game at the least. In the end, my deck usually wears you out because for the most part I can just plow through you.
You and your friend obviously have different play styles...
As for the match VS Dialga, they shut off downer material but I do agree that they won't be deafening all day long.
not true, luxchomp-jumpluff is a clear 50-50. not a match in anyone's favor.