Lets talk about the bans people put on the Pokemon games
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Papi/Manny
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I'm not a competetive pokemon gamer, but I'll just say my 2 cents and then leave. First off, I don't get why everybody is dissing DT. I've played enough matchs with/against DTers to say that as long as they get 2 shotted by something like ice beam or flamethrower (pretty easy when you have alot of moves that cover different weaknesses), then they aren't much of a threat. "But they counter my 120% attack and make me miss more often". That brings me to the other end. If your using an inaccurate attack, it either must have a great effect or has 120+ power. Which means your usually going for a 1 shot. But why can't you use a 30% attack for a 1 shot? "Because you can mind reader/lock-on". Thats still a 2 shot, which is the same as using ice beam/psychic twice. So in the end, its the same result, no? Mind you, I've never played in a tourney outside of that RS challenge thingy. But from my years of game play, I would say that banning such moves is just plain stupid when theres already moves that do such koes. In summary, auto-koes are risky, sure, but also add some excitement to the game (at least for me anyways) and DT is a defensive strategy. If you can't play defence, why even play a game where you have 2 pokes going aggro and having the guy with the most endurne winning? To me, that seems like a form of luck.
vaporeon
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At lease someone know how to play the game. I have counters for those type of attack. all of the pro players have a offensive strategy and the fastest and strongest Pokemon wins, I know because it happened to me. We should run are own tournament with the rules that the game uses for the Battle Tower and other tournaments in the game. That way people can have a fair chance and can use there strategy to the fullest. That way I can use my Pidgeot. People just need to learn how to counter things. I don't like Double Team when its use against me, but I don't get mad, use when people use Ubers. Just play the game and have fun playing.
EeveeLover929
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That was exactly the main point I was trying to get across. Curse my stupid argumentative elaborations. What I'm saying is, make your own tournaments, don't get mad at us because we like the rules we have. If you don't want to join a tournament that has rules that you don't like, then don't, make your own, that's the entire point of making your own tournament. But answer me this. Was the entire reason behind this entire pointless discussion that went on for three pages without a single person even giving that idea that should have been so obvious that it burned your retinas to be able to use your stinking Pidgeot?
Primarily, it's dealing with people like you, who completely and utterly miss the point like an unaided Horn Drill into six Double Teams.
I'm going to put it into rather easy to understand terms: The point of this thread is to discuss the bans people put on the Pokémon video games. We're discussing the bans. There is no "we" when it comes to you and Smogon's rules. There are the people at Smogon, some of whom can make a decent point (although those tend to be the anti-ban folk), and then there are clingers-on and fanboys, which would be you. Now, for the love of Goddish, stop telling us to stop talking about the bans, and while you're at it, stop trolling a thread that was until you decided to shove in going comparatively smoothly.
Now can we all please get back on topic, without EeveeLover929 trolling any further?
EDIT: Whoops, messed up a bbcode tag. How embarassing.
I'm going to put it into rather easy to understand terms: The point of this thread is to discuss the bans people put on the Pokémon video games. We're discussing the bans. There is no "we" when it comes to you and Smogon's rules. There are the people at Smogon, some of whom can make a decent point (although those tend to be the anti-ban folk), and then there are clingers-on and fanboys, which would be you. Now, for the love of Goddish, stop telling us to stop talking about the bans, and while you're at it, stop trolling a thread that was until you decided to shove in going comparatively smoothly.
Now can we all please get back on topic, without EeveeLover929 trolling any further?
EDIT: Whoops, messed up a bbcode tag. How embarassing.
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vaporeon
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Its not that. You people ban Ubers from play because the can walk all over your OU Pokemon as in Pidgeots case, you OU Pokemon are like Ubers to it because it does not have the stats or move set to fight against them. That is the same way I fell when I can't use my team the way I want so I have to use Pokemon around the same Base Stat area just to fight back. You don't see a problem with it because you and all of the competitive players use the same Pokemon, same move sets, same just about everything and what rules you play with don't matter. I understand that people want good tournaments with "good" rules but say no to everything you disagree with is wrong just because your only excuse is "it make the game less fun" or "I don't like it and should not play against it but its okay for to use your strategy to the fullest any your opponent can't because they can't use Double Team. When you play in tournaments, you play the win weather or not you have a fair team.
EeveeLover929
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This forum has no brick wall emoticon. This upsets me.
Why is it that everyone on this forum ignores everything I say except for the things they can twist against me? You didn't seem to be listening before when I specifically told you that the reason I don't like Ubers is not because they are too powerful, quite the contrary, if not for the real reason behind my dislike of them I would just forget the whole uidea of the Uber ban because I'm not going to be using them and I enjoy the challenge in those instances when I do battle them. However, when you look at it from a tournament perspective as opposed to two friends battling each other for the sake of battling, ubers are boring. How is it that I'm the one who
When in fact I'm the one with a unique team that expresses my own personal strategy as well as my flare and not something totally and bluntly obvious with Ubers, the strategy for which can be found simply by Googling the pokemon or scanning forums to look at peoples teams and copy their strategy. Plus, there's no sense of individual style when in fact you can probably find at least three dozen people within the same tristate area as you with the exact same team and near identical movesets. Where I have a Gastrodon, others have a Kyogre. Where I have a Staraptor, others have a Lugia. Where I have a Vespiquen, non one has anything, because there is no Bug type Legendary, so therefore it's not worthy of use. Now, I'll admit, there are some clever mixes of Uber and non-Uber pokemon out there, and I respect the mix and whoever came up with it. That's the original person, and not the dozens of neophytes who thought it was good and copied it. Oh, and for the old "well there are no good pokemon" excuse, guess what. There's 493 Pokemon in the dex. Take away the non-ubers, you're left withabout 470. That's 470 to choose from. Take away the Legendaries even, and guess how many you have. 454. You're calling me afraid to face an Uber, but a good chunk of Uber-users out there only use them because they're afraid to battle without them. Think about that.
Marril said:
First of all Marril, I'm not trying to stop you from talking about the bans, I'm trying to help you all come to a resolution. And no, I will not stop. I will continue to post here until a peaceful resolution is agreed upon, because I don't like it when people fight over something that should be no big deal. I don't even like this fight, because it shouldn't be any big deal. If you all have the right to post here, then so do I, so either I get to post, or nobody does. Now, if you had just listened to the biggest consistency between this and every other post that I have put here as I've waited so patiently for you all to get squeezed into those small tight spaces you call skulls. And in case you've already forgotten, this is it. I'll even put it bigger, with italics and underlining and everything.
YOU DO NOT HAVE TO JOIN A TOURNAMENT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO. IT IS NOT AN OBLIGATION. JUST MAKE YOUR OWN FRICKING TOURNAMENT WITH YOUR OWN FRICKING RULES AND LEAVE THOSE OF US WITH DIFFERENT RULES ALONE. IT IS NOT UP TO YOU WHAT THE RULES OF ANOTHER PERSON'S TOURNAMENT IS, AND IT'S NOT YOUR BUSINESS TO DECIDE WHAT ARE FAIR RULES.
And for those of you who dare to call me a hypocrite on that last sentence, you were telling me that the rules you like are most fair, so I have the right to tell you what I think is most fair.
ShadowTogetic
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How adamant
An "attack up" nature sure seems to describe him, certainly.
I love how he thinks insulting me is going to do anything. A peaceful resolution is never going to happen when he's slinging around phrases like "tight spaces you call skulls." Never mind that he's still missing the point of the entire discussion.
vietgamer1021
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i applaud for you man
EeveeLover929
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Me?
Edit: Oh, and Marril, that's the last post of yours I'm going to look at. You still don't seem to be getting the main point of those posts, you're just looking at the stuff around it. I will say no more in this thread than this. Make your own tournament, don't complain about the ones already in existence. They're not your rules, it's not your business to change them.
Regis_Neo
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But that's not the point of this thread. People use whatever rules they want, it's their discretion. And if it's in a tournament setting, the people play by whatever rules the host sets. Simple as that.
Besides, I can guarantee that you're not going to get everyone here to agree to a set standard of rules.
For the record, the rules I follow are: Species Clause, Item Clause, Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, last Pokémon can't suicide or use Destiny Bond, and Nintendo event Pokémon bannings are upheld.
Like **** anyone else is going to agree with those rules, but I'm just stating this for the record.
Like **** anyone else is going to agree with those rules, but I'm just stating this for the record.
ShadowTogetic
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I don't know, the only rule I play is, no Legends. All I'm interested in is, seeing how creative my opponent can be in constructing a team of just regular Pokemon
vaporeon
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I play using those rules too, not made up ones. Whatever the game Pokemon the game says you can't use. Why is Spinda banned?
The I won't play Legend is not a rule, not all Legendaries are powerful like Mewtwo so they are okay to be used.
vietgamer1021
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well
marrils rules are pretty standard by far, doesnt everyone use at least those rules?
marrils rules are pretty standard by far, doesnt everyone use at least those rules?
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