IvesRountree
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Though that would be a dream match at a gym challenge, Naught Reeul vs Mr bye, haha, might even bet on Mr. byes victory, I am sure he can end that losing streak
#1 ranked global is not real...
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RainbowRichards
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NoPoke said:
Oh, now I get what you meant by "fixed"...
BTW, guess who copied/pasted all 2254 Limited Global rankings into an Excel spreadsheet - complete with links to the individual profile pages (including naught reeul's profile which displays the following:
naught reeul's Profile
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Name: naught reeul
Handle:
State: FL
Country: US
Global Rank: Rank Not Available
Global Score: Score Not Available
Match History
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Matches Not Available
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This user has participated in the following tournaments:
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NoPoke
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Way to go rainbow 
Its good to see that naught reeul is now not real! That leaves Mr Bye as an obvious candidate for examination next. But the smell of impropriety is going to hang around for a very long time. I hope that PUI/POP publish the results of their investigation with a list of what sanctions are to be placed uponnst those who have transgressed. (like the DCI would!)
Pity about the bad smell It is going to take a great deal of communication openness and transparancy to shift the stink.
Its good to see that naught reeul is now not real! That leaves Mr Bye as an obvious candidate for examination next. But the smell of impropriety is going to hang around for a very long time. I hope that PUI/POP publish the results of their investigation with a list of what sanctions are to be placed uponnst those who have transgressed. (like the DCI would!)
Pity about the bad smell
It is going to take a great deal of communication openness and transparancy to shift the stink.
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ukpokemonpro
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Unfortunately the stink hangs around and as we see if PUI apply the same "No Penalty" approach to the TO in this case?
Just think the players who played Mr Reeul all participated in a fraud now under WotC and the DCI you get this
Now that is just for the player in a tourney afterwards they get BANNED!
TO's and Players that participate in a fraud, well they are banned and named yet in the UK the penalty for the TO and League Leader is to be told be smarter about it next time! On the orders of PUI! The local distributors wanted to ban the TO but PUI said no!
So when people say PUI have not got it right but they are trying I am very sceptical, when you show such scant regard to OP as they seem to then it does not look good
How can you trust a programme that does not use qualified judges?
How can you trust a programme that does not apply penalties to those that cheat the system?
How can you trust a programme that has no penalty guidelines?
How can you trust a company that shows such lack of care?
Just think the players who played Mr Reeul all participated in a fraud now under WotC and the DCI you get this
Now that is just for the player in a tourney afterwards they get BANNED!
TO's and Players that participate in a fraud, well they are banned and named yet in the UK the penalty for the TO and League Leader is to be told be smarter about it next time! On the orders of PUI! The local distributors wanted to ban the TO but PUI said no!
So when people say PUI have not got it right but they are trying I am very sceptical, when you show such scant regard to OP as they seem to then it does not look good
How can you trust a programme that does not use qualified judges?
How can you trust a programme that does not apply penalties to those that cheat the system?
How can you trust a programme that has no penalty guidelines?
How can you trust a company that shows such lack of care?
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GymLeaderPhil
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Sad thing is that they've known about it and it's not a new problem. It's been months. This isnt a misunderstanding. All tournaments under BK Minnis should be invalidated. The UK group who decided to sell tournament support should receive a lengthy ban.
What's holding back ANYONE from selling support or invalidated tournament records?
NOTHING.
Why?
Because PUI/POP has not the balls to step up to the plate like Wizards of the Coast and the DCI. That's my main complaint. Everything else I've ranted and raved about could be pushed back till after Worlds, I dont care. If a penalty system is not set in stone, everyone can do as they damn well please. That's what's occuring now.
I remember Origins 2002 very clearly. It was the final round of the first Professor Championship. It was around 1:00am in the morning and two teenagers walked up to a few players sitting a few tables over asking if they would like to purchase a few packs of Holographic Energy from the Year 3 League. At the time, these weren't available to players except thru the Pokemon League and we're certainly not given out in such large amounts.
Guess what happened?
Dark Master Trainer Mike (Mike Boozer) noticed this and walked over to the two teens, boldly asking what store they got the large amount of League support and their names. We don't have that policy anymore with PUI. It's a land of endless cautions in fear that an area will no longer have tournament support.
I would rather have that, then let them make a mockery of the Organized Play system, if any at this point.
-Phil
What's holding back ANYONE from selling support or invalidated tournament records?
NOTHING.
Why?
Because PUI/POP has not the balls to step up to the plate like Wizards of the Coast and the DCI. That's my main complaint. Everything else I've ranted and raved about could be pushed back till after Worlds, I dont care. If a penalty system is not set in stone, everyone can do as they damn well please. That's what's occuring now.
I remember Origins 2002 very clearly. It was the final round of the first Professor Championship. It was around 1:00am in the morning and two teenagers walked up to a few players sitting a few tables over asking if they would like to purchase a few packs of Holographic Energy from the Year 3 League. At the time, these weren't available to players except thru the Pokemon League and we're certainly not given out in such large amounts.
Guess what happened?
Dark Master Trainer Mike (Mike Boozer) noticed this and walked over to the two teens, boldly asking what store they got the large amount of League support and their names. We don't have that policy anymore with PUI. It's a land of endless cautions in fear that an area will no longer have tournament support.
I would rather have that, then let them make a mockery of the Organized Play system, if any at this point.
-Phil
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man, I just checked my son's ranking and it appears Naught Reeul has be removed from the rankings. My son is NOW #1 globally in modified format with 1917 points.
I just thought I'd let everyone know who's currently #1 since there's currently no way to find out unless you're actually the person who's rank #1 and log in to check your ranking.
POP Rank Search Results said:
I just thought I'd let everyone know who's currently #1 since there's currently no way to find out unless you're actually the person who's rank #1 and log in to check your ranking.
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ukpokemonpro
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Thanks Steve,
now we know what to aim for points wise if you want to be number one! Shame it can't be as open and easy as the DCI?
Oh wait DOH! It can be but that needs a commitment to a real programme that has not been seen so far
DaytonGymLeader
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Here's the backstory behind that. The kid wanting to sell the stuff was a Magic Player from the Dayton area. He tried to sell to my wife. My wife told me, who pointed it out to Mike Gills. After Mike talked to the kid (and got names), Mike told me that he got them from OUR LEAGUE LOCATION. Needless to say that didn't happen at our League. Eventually, that location was tracked down and lost their Premier Store Status.GymLeaderPhil said:
However, there does need to be tighter oversight on the system.
Professor Dav
Master Trainer
DaytonGymLeader said:
Let me say that as long as everyone believes that this is the place to make official complaints, rather than sending those reports and complaints to us at PUI, this will in fact continue.
If you think we don't care about this stuff, you couldn't be more wrong.
However, we can't do anything about it when anonymous posts are made in a forum like this. I've been singing this same song since last summer, and it's barely made a dent in the way that people on this forum behave in regards to official action.
You want official action, email one of the official addresses. Trust me, we actually do work on this stuff.
Thanks,
Professor Dav
DaytonGymLeader
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I think the chief complaint in this thread is inconsistency in ratings (so let's get this back on track). I'm pretty sure that these issues have been escalated to someone at Nintendo by the players and their families themselves.
The thing that, for lack of a better term, goads people into posting here with their complaints is the lack of visibility/response that the public gets on these issues. If a Player/Judge/TO is banned, how does the public know? IF a TO needs to look up a POP ID, how can they? If a Judge needs to assess a penalty, how do we know what the appropriate one is? What if we need to show a disgruntled parent said penalty?
With the amount of prizes on the rise along with trips, the sharks are in the pool and smell blood.
All of these things we don't have that are essential. It's all about public presence.
The thing that, for lack of a better term, goads people into posting here with their complaints is the lack of visibility/response that the public gets on these issues. If a Player/Judge/TO is banned, how does the public know? IF a TO needs to look up a POP ID, how can they? If a Judge needs to assess a penalty, how do we know what the appropriate one is? What if we need to show a disgruntled parent said penalty?
With the amount of prizes on the rise along with trips, the sharks are in the pool and smell blood.
All of these things we don't have that are essential. It's all about public presence.
GymLeaderPhil
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Professor Dav said:
Feel free to ask Steve McLaughlin for any emails from myself regarding this issue. As well as others locally in Florida. I have in my hands one copy of the email I sent to Steve in January and February. There are plenty of others regarding this issue in 2003 too. I'm sure there are others... I personally never heard back for any of them, excluding one that asked me to call back for more information last Fall. I rarely ever do receive responses when I send stuff in, which results in those wondering if the email was even read, to post on these boards and others trying to find information.
Within a week after this topic was started, the International rankings went down and Naught Reeul was removed. Those seem to be results to me, more so than emailing and never even having a confirmation (like Score, Upper Deck, and DCI does) that the person I sent it to, got it.
-Phil
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Professor Dav
Master Trainer
GymLeaderPhil said:
Phil,
I'm sorry you never recieved a response from anyone regarding this issue. However, in general, it isn't policy to keep a reporting party involved in any POP investigation.
We've been aware for quite some time that there were problems with the rankings, and possible fake players, however we've had to take some other measures in order to be able to validate and fix a lot of these types of issues. The timing of this matter was merely a coincidence in regards to the timing of this thread. We will NOT act on hearsay from a public message board such as this one.
I will look into what types of policy changes we may want to implement as far as a return email to a party such as yourself, but I can't really promise that we'll change that. However, if you never received any response, such as a "we've received your complaint, and will look into it" I apologize, as you absolutely should've received such a response.
Thanks,
Prof. Dav
Professor Dav
Master Trainer
PokePop said:
Pop,
We'll definitely look into doing that, though I think it'd be best to wait until we're in our new offices as it may be difficult to arrange such a chat from our current location. (long story).
Thanks,
Prof. Dav
Broken Lizard
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I really hope that a public chat does become a reality.
It would go a long way to boost PUI's public image as a company that is in touch with and concerned about input from its customers.
I used to attend WotC chats whenever possible. Back then, I also ran 2 leagues weekly and sanctioned tournaments monthly. Morale in the player (and TO) community would be raised significantly with a chat.
That, and decent TMS software (equal to or better than DCI Reporter)...
It would go a long way to boost PUI's public image as a company that is in touch with and concerned about input from its customers.
I used to attend WotC chats whenever possible. Back then, I also ran 2 leagues weekly and sanctioned tournaments monthly. Morale in the player (and TO) community would be raised significantly with a chat.
That, and decent TMS software (equal to or better than DCI Reporter)...
ukpokemonpro
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Now where have I heard that before
Seems it is hard to plug a laptop into a phone line and enter a chat room, I suppose this means no rules chats either at the moment?Oh and BTW when will we see transcripts of the PUI Rules chats?
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