DarthPika
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It's JMO.
:tongue:Realy though, God is all about forgivness, and love, so I really can't picture Him just sending people to **** for being the "wrong religion"
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It's JMO.
:tongue:Realy though, God is all about forgivness, and love, so I really can't picture Him just sending people to **** for being the "wrong religion"
ZAKtheGeek
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I can't picture a loving god sending people to **** ever. I can't even picture a loving god sticking people into this world instead of skipping all that and just having everyone be in heaven right off the bat.
Oh, and by the way, insisting that your views are consistent with what "God is all about" is hardly a good rebuttal when I try to point out how you're in no position to tell anyone what God is all about.
Oh, and by the way, insisting that your views are consistent with what "God is all about" is hardly a good rebuttal when I try to point out how you're in no position to tell anyone what God is all about.
DarthPika
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I never said they where..... w/e
Ok this is how it works my friends.
If you do a completely different religion thats not of God, and you (Like many countries) Have never heard or been raised knowing God and Jesus. YOU WILL NOT GOT TO ****. You will have a chance after you die to make a choice, right there, face to face with God. However, us being here and o this forum, seeing God and knowing of him, but choose to ignore him, aswell as say flat out you don't belive in him, than im afraid your in hot water my friend. Hey, God asks us to do just a couple simple things and mankind kicks and screams like toddlers about it, its not that hard lol
If you do a completely different religion thats not of God, and you (Like many countries) Have never heard or been raised knowing God and Jesus. YOU WILL NOT GOT TO ****. You will have a chance after you die to make a choice, right there, face to face with God. However, us being here and o this forum, seeing God and knowing of him, but choose to ignore him, aswell as say flat out you don't belive in him, than im afraid your in hot water my friend. Hey, God asks us to do just a couple simple things and mankind kicks and screams like toddlers about it, its not that hard lol
DarthPika
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How very true, God gives everyone a chance, and probably gives people second chances.
*sigh*
as i said above: this thread is NOT about 'my way is the only way' or proselytizing.
if you can't keep to the topic instead of derailing what's so far been one of the better actual discussions here recently, please step out of the thread. further off topic posts will be deleted, and infraction points handed out, since i've posted more than one warning.
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Magic_Umbreon
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I've read a few of these sorts of discussions on a few different websites and they always sort of end up like this. In fact, when people discuss these things with me face-to-face it sorta veers off to this too. What I mean it ends up as is a lot of the anti-God statements and arguments treat God as somewhat naive and childlike.
Argue against God, fair enough but I just don't understand half these posts making out God as almost stupid. Like he doesn't know what to do and bound to some rules. I think God is himself and he can see into people whether they love or oppose him. I'm probably not very clear on what I mean, I just don't get how an infinite being seems to be so triviallised in discussion. **** is about not being with God, that's the big thing. I think afterlife is more of a realistic complex continuation of our life now. A relationship we have with God enhanced or an abscence of it, remaining an absence.
I respect people's views except for when they say "even if **** is real I'm not scared" because well that's just sort of "stupid". I mean how you can have an opinion on something you haven't experienced and the only definition you have is it is something worse than anything in the world you would avoid at all costs. It's making it like a game of chess "oh I lost, so what". Don't believe in ****, fine. But to say "I don't mind going to ****" I can't relate to?
Argue against God, fair enough but I just don't understand half these posts making out God as almost stupid. Like he doesn't know what to do and bound to some rules. I think God is himself and he can see into people whether they love or oppose him. I'm probably not very clear on what I mean, I just don't get how an infinite being seems to be so triviallised in discussion. **** is about not being with God, that's the big thing. I think afterlife is more of a realistic complex continuation of our life now. A relationship we have with God enhanced or an abscence of it, remaining an absence.
I respect people's views except for when they say "even if **** is real I'm not scared" because well that's just sort of "stupid". I mean how you can have an opinion on something you haven't experienced and the only definition you have is it is something worse than anything in the world you would avoid at all costs. It's making it like a game of chess "oh I lost, so what". Don't believe in ****, fine. But to say "I don't mind going to ****" I can't relate to?
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ZAKtheGeek
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I'll try to get back on topic here. The thread seems to generally be about God's judgement of people's actions.
So here's a question. Some people here have said things like, "if you don't know about God, you can still be judged, because God knows what you would do if you did." Makes sense; God knows everything. But if God knows everything, then what's the point of testing us in the first place? All these hardships and trials and temptations, "God's tests" one and all, aren't they all pointless since God knows what we would do about them before we even exist? I find it very strange that a supposedly loving being would put people through such things for no purpose.
So here's a question. Some people here have said things like, "if you don't know about God, you can still be judged, because God knows what you would do if you did." Makes sense; God knows everything. But if God knows everything, then what's the point of testing us in the first place? All these hardships and trials and temptations, "God's tests" one and all, aren't they all pointless since God knows what we would do about them before we even exist? I find it very strange that a supposedly loving being would put people through such things for no purpose.
Magic_Umbreon
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^Why should we able to understand God by applying our logic (which Christians believe is also part of God's creation) to his being? If you take God as fact, then "logically" it follows on we can't analyse him due to his nature. Even if he doesn't make sense to us, why should he?
Yes why should he. he is God creator of all. God gives us choices in life, one leads down one path, one down the other. God tests mankind to see how much we love him. He may know the outcome, but its your decisions that will make the outcome. When you come to a decision will you make the right choice, or the wrong choice? Many things of God no man understands because who can fully understand God and all his secrets. Man is no match for God.
octillery49
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If you believe the bible, then you can't also believe that there is any way to go to heaven except
by accepting Jesus as your savior.
by accepting Jesus as your savior.
ZAKtheGeek
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Hook, line and sinker.
I agree that there is no use trying to comprehend or express in any rational terms the actions and thoughts of a transcendental omnipotent being like a god.
Therefore, it is impossible for us to know anything about God. Even our fundamental understanding of how things, in theory, can be, don't necessarily apply. For example, God could be infinitely loving, and at the same time, totally sadistic. He could know everything while simultaneously being unaware of anything that happens in the world. It makes no sense for you or me, but that is irrelevant, because this is God we're dealing with.
All bets are off. When God says, "Thou shalt not kill," for all you know he might be joking, or lying. Or he might mean, "brush your teeth only on Tuesdays." Jesus, his only son, could perhaps at the same time be his only daughter, and was sent to the earth to put on a fun show for Satan. Doesn't make sense? Maybe it does to God. And maybe God put rabbits on this earth in order to indicate to us that we must worship the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
So, in short, in the face of the absence of logic, nothing can possibly be known. You can't know if your ideas about God are right or wrong in any way, and even trying to express in human-comprehensible terms God's intentions or actions, for instance what he will do with your eternal souls, could very well be an exercise in folly. You could be both damned and blessed at the exact same time, for any arbitrary reason, and it could all make perfect sense from God's perspective.
I look forward to your responses.
I agree that there is no use trying to comprehend or express in any rational terms the actions and thoughts of a transcendental omnipotent being like a god.
Therefore, it is impossible for us to know anything about God. Even our fundamental understanding of how things, in theory, can be, don't necessarily apply. For example, God could be infinitely loving, and at the same time, totally sadistic. He could know everything while simultaneously being unaware of anything that happens in the world. It makes no sense for you or me, but that is irrelevant, because this is God we're dealing with.
All bets are off. When God says, "Thou shalt not kill," for all you know he might be joking, or lying. Or he might mean, "brush your teeth only on Tuesdays." Jesus, his only son, could perhaps at the same time be his only daughter, and was sent to the earth to put on a fun show for Satan. Doesn't make sense? Maybe it does to God. And maybe God put rabbits on this earth in order to indicate to us that we must worship the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
So, in short, in the face of the absence of logic, nothing can possibly be known. You can't know if your ideas about God are right or wrong in any way, and even trying to express in human-comprehensible terms God's intentions or actions, for instance what he will do with your eternal souls, could very well be an exercise in folly. You could be both damned and blessed at the exact same time, for any arbitrary reason, and it could all make perfect sense from God's perspective.
I look forward to your responses.
DarthPika
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You quite nicly got exactly what I have been trying to say.
Pokemom, what we where and are talking about is not "the only way" as God forgieves EVRYONE, and gives them a second chance. To be honest you can probably find some bad things in EVERY religion, and in most there is a lot of good.
trainerjoe
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I thought this was a pokemon forum........... Not a religion forum!
Not a religion forum!
DarthPika
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I thought this was a pokemon forum...........
It is but this is the Random Topic center so you can post a thread about almost anything you want as long as it doesn't contain anything offensive.
trainerjoe
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After reading this thread,I'd say it'd be better off to be deleted than to stay on,lol.All it's really going to do is anger people immensely.
DarthPika
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The Mods have been watching this and if any trouble starts they stop it. This thread has been around for a few days and it has really not caused any problems.
trainerjoe
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Why people start these debates I don't know,lol.Seems to only set people off.It's kind of a repeat thing,you see the same thing everywhere,hard to get away from it,l:lol:
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