Ban Blaziken Ex: Save The Format

[Prime]

We have a major issue with limiting its number in decks...I run 1 or 2 as it is only! You dont need more than 1 for the deck to win. That is not an excuse as the decks broken BECAUSE it can be splashed in with just 1 or 2 and still dominate. Restricting it does absolutely NOTHING to stop it.

I do agree that limiting it to 2 doesn't hurt it much, but maybe limiting EX's to one might be the right way to go. Do we want the game to turn all EX, as it is right now? Because once that happens, every card that isn't EX will become useless and I would hate for that to happen. Decks will become less unique and inventive(because there are only 6-8 EX's every set, there won't be much choices). SO what do you think we should do? Ban it? Then we should ban every other big card that comes up that is overly powerful. Then ban the ones that are dominating now that those are gone, and etc. Before we know it, we have no cards left.

Start attacking with a Blaziken.

Okay, you have used your first three turns to attach energy. You attack for 50.

You KO it with Rayquaza and you have 4 prizes left.

Okay, you have gotten out one of your four lightning energy in your deck. You then discarded four fire energy aswell.

Lets say they bring up another Kabutops, play a crustal shard, and get 2 heads and KO Rayquaza. That puts them at 3 prizes. You drop a 2nd Rayquaza ( Easy to get due to Delcatty Oracle and early game Dunsparce ) and OHKO them again.

Okay, there is another of your electric energy which you have gotten out of your deck. I guess you had to play a oracle and discard a file to draw it. You would need to discard four energy to OHKO the kabutops. Okay, so how did you get four fire and an electric energy out in one turn? On the fifth turn, you most likely will have two blaziken out at most, so you would have to lay 2 fire and a electric out of nowhere.

This puts you at 2 prizes to their three. ASSUMING they can even pull off 3 Kabutops EX in a row, and get 2 heads on all of them AND have 2 crystal shard, they can KO Rayquaza again. Bring up Ampharos and KO them for 160.

You have now gotten all four of your electric energy out of your deck within 3 turns. You discarded four and you did not play a fisherman. So none of your electric was in your prizes. For you to get out the last two electric, you would have to delcatty/oracle, but see that hits another dilema. You haven't attached any energy to ampharos yet. So you are saying you attached two electric and moved two fire to ampharos in one turn? That's impossible.

You win. This is ASSUMING they get the flips and cards they need, AND you dont promote Ampharos at all. Kabutops EX doesn;t even work against NORMAL BAR. It wont work against Blaz EX at all.

Yes, you do win. Anybody would win if they could lay down any amount of energy they wanted on any pokemon at any time. Good for you. For someone that gloats about being someone who studies the game before people even hear about it, it doesn't show in your math.

 

[Prime]

Aqua's Walrein does not take 4 turns to set up, it takes two with boost and archie.

Actually using archie makes walrein a basic meaning boost cannot be attached to it sorry.

 

[Bigpoppabeatdown]

here's an idea that would make things better....... and it would just be a twist of rulings, no banning, no limits, no more brokenness

every pokemon that has a power that states, "once per turn" is limited to once per turn

don't allow compounded powers....

if the effect is used once per turn, blaziken wouldn't even be near as broken......

if the effect states, "as often as you like"....... then that stays the same....

just a thought to save pokemon from turning into yugioh by limiting or banning cards

 

[Tyranitar666]

Prime- Heres a few easy explainations. First off, to explain the fetching of all 4 Electric Energy. You use Strike And Run turn 1, or Oracle at any point. You immediately check for the amount of Lightning in the deck. When doing so, make sure that if your going to have none left, you use your Town Volunteers. Its not that hard. Plus this is a vastly simplified example condenses to a few turns when realistically NEITHER deck could fire off that quickly. BUT just because people will be nit picky about ANYTHING when they have nothing substaintial to really work off of, I will counter your arguement because i CAN.

Turn 1. Energy on Dunsparce.
Turn 2. Energy on Rayquaza. Lighting
Turn 3 Blaziken x2 in play. Energy on Rayquaza x2
Turn 4 Energy on Ampharos. Energy on Rayquaza, and on the 2nd Rayquaza.
Turn 5- Energy on Ampharos ( Lightning ) and 2 to it from the PPs. OOPS. I just got all those cards powered with necissary energy by turn 5. Yeah. It can be done. Just as often as 3 Kabutops hit play in that period of time, and they get 2 crystal shard and the requires flips to score the KOs. PLUS the Boost Energy. So yeah, you point out the liberties I took in my Blaziken's turns and attachments but did not point out that I did the exact same thing with my Kabutops set up, where Blaziken actually has the draw engine to GET THAT SET UP, Kabutops does NOT. Even with a slower start Blaziken has the margin of error to still dominate the match up. If Kabutops EX beat Blaziken, why does no one use it...AT ALL. It was never used successfully before, why do you honestly feel it works now? It never did, still doesn't. But please, come on. I am sure you can find a grammar or spelling mistake I made since your on the habit of picking out little things that really don't mean much except to prove that you can't find anything better to pick at than an example of a deck match up that really wouldn't even be a close game in the first place, just a quick answer to a random reply I really didn't feel warranted discussion but decided to be the nice guy and respond to none the less. As a matter of fact, I started a sentence with BUT a few lines back. Come on, aim a whole post around it! You know you want to! I bet I typoed somewhere too. Crucify me for it, why don't ya? Thats in style now a days anyways!

 

[Tyranitar666]

Actually, I REALLY like BigPappaBeatDowns idea...thats slick dude. I want to look into that more...

 

[TrueGamerX]

Wait just a minute peeps.
Could a Kabutops EX/Wobbuffet deck work? Too flippy? Too risky?

Because all I got is K-Tops EX's, and it was hard getting them. And I have been messing around with it so much. But now since it don't work, I won't have enough time to make another deck to try at the State Championships, cause I don't have the cards

Thx to Blaziken, its all over.

 

[Tyranitar666]

TrueGamerX- Nike is testing kabutops vs a standard Blaziken Rayquaza WITHOUT Blaziken EX or even Ampharos and just lost to it. Toss in Ampharos and Blaziken EX its even worse... FYI people, Wobbuffet does not stop the deck as it just gets played around .

 

[nikePK]

Wobbers w/o energy manipulation (gardy, swampert, blaziken, elekid... whatever) just isn't that awesome. Specially not in tops when u are attaching to tops either fighting or boost all the time. Its hard to make wob work that way, but this is kinda off topic.

anywho, yeah bigpoppa, I really like that idea too. Not many other non-broken pokemon need to use its powers that way. I can only think of blaziken off the top of my head. Swampert usually won't get 2 up right away and such. Blaziken ex can still run off of this, but Rayquazza is a bit harder, so I dunno. I still think BLaze ex should be banned, but that's an interesting take on the rules.

 

[jesschow12]

omg the combo is broken!!

 

[YoungJohn06]

I don't like that idea at ALL. It would change the game too much and make the idea of running multiples of the same pokemon almost pointless... I'd rather see the friggen Blaziken Ex banned than see a ruling like that.

 

[Bigpoppabeatdown]

I don't like that idea at ALL. It would change the game too much and make the idea of running multiples of the same pokemon almost pointless... I'd rather see the friggen Blaziken Ex banned than see a ruling like that.

fair enough, but ya can't please them all.... lol

 

[Articjedi]

Right now, TPC seems to be reserving the most interesting attacks and powers for these exes, and restricting them seems to hurt the game more than help it. You would end up destroying every single viable deck in the format except for blaziken, and that would make the situation worse.

About blaziken, the card is more broken the more I look at it, and it needs to be banned. What I don't understand is why so many people here are against banning cards. If it becomes so powerful that it breaks the format, it should be banned so other decks can be played.

 

[JohnnyBlaze]

May I also point out YoungJohn is biased as he traded his 1st Edition Charizard plus 200 dollars worth of cards for ONE Blaziken EX, plus 30 bux and 50 dollars worth of cards for his second one? Perhaps he knows its broken, or else why would he trade so much for it?

Wouldnt it of been easier to buy 2 boxes? lol I have heard other people trading like crazy to obtain just 1 Blaziken EX. How about 10 EX's for just 1?

 

[BLiZzArD]

ok I can't handle this anymore
1st turn dunsparce active suicune ex bench energy to dunsparce get 2 mudkip and another suicune ex
2nd turn energy to suicune ex rare candy mudkip to swampert other mudkip to marshtomp use swamperts power put second energy on suicune use dunsparce to stall
3rd turn swampert to marshomp 3rd mudkip hits the bench water to second suicune ex
ok by now I can ko either Ray via crystal shard or blazi ex with my regular attack
and next turn swampert ex hits the bench
Blaziken ex is not broken any card can be beat
BLiZ

 

[WeileMom]

May I also point out YoungJohn is biased as he traded his 1st Edition Charizard plus 200 dollars worth of cards for ONE Blaziken EX, plus 30 bux and 50 dollars worth of cards for his second one? Perhaps he knows its broken, or else why would he trade so much for it? I think he doesnt want it banned just because he traded so much for them...

You know, that was a really rude thing to say. Why would you even bring that up? It's not relevant to the discussion topic.
YoungJohn made some good points and has a right to have his say. Keep it clean guys, no personal attacks please!
---Nicole
WeileMom

 

[ToysRUsKid]

WeileMom, how is that an attack? I think he was with him when he offered all that, all T-tar was saying that the reason he doesn't want it banned is because he traded an awful lot, but YJ game wise does want it banned, but from like an economic stand point, he does't.

Also, PoppaBeatdown, You just can't assume that were sending up Blaze/Ray EX up like 3rd Turn of the game, we could just leave sparce up and bait an attack.

`TruK

 

[YoungJohn06]

May I also point out YoungJohn is biased as he traded his 1st Edition Charizard plus 200 dollars worth of cards for ONE Blaziken EX, plus 30 bux and 50 dollars worth of cards for his second one? Perhaps he knows its broken, or else why would he trade so much for it? I think he doesnt want it banned just because he traded so much for them...

I actually don't care. If it's banned oh well I'll still own everyone with BAR. Sheesh. I do know it's broken, probably should be banned. Do I care if it is.... not really. Overall I'd LIKE it banned simply for more variety in the game.

 

[Ice'Cold]

Hmm, this card does seem a bit strong to me. If this deck does get overplayed(as I suspect it might) We are either going to have it banned(leaving the blaziken rayquaza decks still there) or have lots of fire and lots of water decks being played.

 

[Lugias_Realm]

Why don't you just let the card play out for awhile and then see what happens? To sit here and and talk about this card for over 4 pages is stupid!!! Sneasel was banned, Yes. Was it banned within the 1st week that it came out, NO.
For those who think it will make the game 1 sided, don't play it. Others are going to do as they please but it is not for 1 person and a bunch of tag alongs(some not all) to speak for everyone. I myself like the challendge of trying to beat something that for the most part is unstopable. Will I build a deck just for this purpose, No but I will build a deck that gives me a better chance should I face it as well as other decks that I might face. I have read all your post about how long you've been testing it and how well it's done and thats all fine and dandy but the real test comes when your playing it against top teer players in person, where game play can have a different outcome then that over a computer. Things have a way of playing out differently when it comes to actual 1 on 1 play. Decks you didn't count on or even thing of are now placed before you. I understand this deck inside and out(I Have It) I know what it is capable of but to say it's broken? Nothing is Broken. On any given dayithere can always be someone out there who just might be a little better or may have thought of something that you hadn't counted on. Let the thing play out and later if the Deck turns out to be all that this site is making it out to be then im sure something will be done, until then let it rest...

 

[Kyogre]

Would Buffer piece be any help to save your Poke-Power support guys? Even if it is for just one turn it could be enough. Much is the case with Suicune EX.