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Ban Blaziken Ex: Save The Format

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ok so you ko my suicune what do you do when I do the same to your blazi? and for the record Salemence has a gust of wind power so it's nothing new. Why is it that only deck you guys create are good there are other great decks and I believe my suicune/swampert deck can be one of them, but I'm not going to start a 7 page post about how get a card it is. Get off your high horses play the game and get over yourselves. I for one am sick of seeing every topic monopolized by you.Your good we all got it here's a pat on the back now shut up.
BLiZ
 
BLiZzArD said:
ok so you ko my suicune what do you do when I do the same to your blazi? and for the record Salemence has a gust of wind power so it's nothing new. Why is it that only deck you guys create are good there are other great decks and I believe my suicune/swampert deck can be one of them, but I'm not going to start a 7 page post about how get a card it is. Get off your high horses play the game and get over yourselves. I for one am sick of seeing every topic monopolized by you.Your good we all got it here's a pat on the back now shut up.
BLiZ
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Um, who were you directing that to?
 
Just I didn't know who, I mean I posted then you follow up saying "Get off your high horses play the game and get over yourselves. I for one am sick of seeing every topic monopolized by you." I was just not sure who "you" was.
 
BLiZzArD said:
ok so you ko my suicune what do you do when I do the same to your blazi? and for the record Salemence has a gust of wind power so it's nothing new. Why is it that only deck you guys create are good there are other great decks and I believe my suicune/swampert deck can be one of them, but I'm not going to start a 7 page post about how get a card it is. Get off your high horses play the game and get over yourselves. I for one am sick of seeing every topic monopolized by you.Your good we all got it here's a pat on the back now shut up.
BLiZ
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Okay, this topic was NOT about us bragging that we can kick your butt anyday... it was about a card that is seriously broken (yeah I know I said I don't care if it's banned but I do agree it would probably be best if it was) The more I hear from the actual people that think it should be banned, the more I agree. The more I hear from you people saying it shouldn't the more I agree with the ones who think it should be... Cause the majority of you saying it shouldn't be banned have been the ones that bashed BAR and other GOOD decks then posted the crap you consider elite decks. So pretty much right now anything you guys say makes me want to lean toward the others cause I've yet to see an intelligent word from you or some others on here about this game. Why don't YOU get off your high horse there buddy and realize people are trying to get the game to be fun still instead of dominated by one friggen card. Can't you see the power behind it... and I don't see how you can then OHKO a Blaziken Ex if your Suicune was just killed... but hey you keep thinking you can do that I won't stop ya but I really don't think you'd be able to.
 
oh well here we go, i love this game, played it from the start, but again we have followed the path of the all powerful speed fire pokemon AGAIN
first there was base zard(altho not vry fast but still, at least that wasnt 2 bad)
2nd cam blaine's arki, imo this was the first overkill fire pokemon
3rd came macargo, again another dominating card that only had gatr 2 contend with
this then followed with blaze eggs, which was ok imo as wasnt too strong, and the same with BAR, aggain a good deck but just(at a streatch of the word) about beatable, altho again another fire card dominating the game(with help this time tho) and now we have blaze ex on top, when will the fire domination of this game end??????? i hate playing with ex's and dont have enough money to get hold of em even if i wanted to play them so i get the feelin that i am being turned away from the game,
oh well, just my opinion
wots gonna be next :rolleyes::confused::mad:

Pokeblob
 
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Except my other suicune on the bench will come out or are you to blind to realize that in the scenario I had 2. As for bashing BAR I built a deck that beat it too and won the CC with that deck. *pats himself on back. My point is every deck can be beat no card is unbeatable I'm not saying Blazi isn't overpowered but creative players will find ways to beat it. Why are there so many followers on this board original thought ever heard of it? quit being mouth piece for TTar and get your own ideas.
BLiZ
 
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... creative players will find ways to beat it.
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Even if that was true (I don't think it is) we should still do something. A metagame cannot consist of one deck and decks specifically made to target that deck. This may even be like the bad Feraligatr days where it was possible to beat Feraligatr - pick a good grass deck - but that deck would work badly against most other sound decks.

We know already that the present Blaziken decks are hard (not impossible!) to beat and Blaziken EX gives these decks a very powerful attacker that its owner can choose to ignore if the opponent plays psychic or water. This is like playing against BAR except that you give up at the start if you don't have water or psychic and your odds are even at best if you do. That is an unhealthy situation which will be much worse when Ditto and Crystal Shard leaves modified!

Other people have suggested that the real problem isn't Blaziken EX and to some extent I agree. It might be better to ban Rayquaza EX or Blaziken since it is the combination of those cards that causes the real problem (the same way the Feraligatr "problem" went away with Trash Exchange).
 
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Turn 1. Energy on Dunsparce.
SAR and you got a rayquaza and 2 torchic? You already had a rayquaza in your hand?
Turn 2. Energy on Rayquaza. Lighting
Lucky you, you got one of your four cards in your deck out on the second turn without using search material...but that happens.
Turn 3 Blaziken x2 in play. Energy on Rayquaza x2
Okay so you somehow got two rare candy in your hand without oracling at all? You attached an energy from your hand to rayquaza?
Turn 4 Energy on Ampharos. Energy on Rayquaza, and on the 2nd Rayquaza.
How did you power all three up? You have two blaziken out, so you would have to discard two energy(juggler) and move them to the bench. But you did not say that you used them. Anyways, you somehow got another rare candy without using a searching tool.
Turn 5- Energy on Ampharos ( Lightning ) and 2 to it from the PPs.
Okay so you discarded another two energy without using anything? I'm sorry but having you show how the deck powers up the pokemon by just saying, "I lay an energy here, and then next turn there" doesn't show anything. You must say HOW you got those energies or your little example does not prove ANYTHING.
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And I am very happy to critique every word that comes out of your mouth just because I can. You claim to be so good of a player, and yet you cannot simulate real circumstances at all. Maybe in your dreams, you would get the best setup, but this isn't your dreams. I would really like to see your setup how you could get 2 rayquaza, and a ampharos powered up and able to OHKO 3 continuous kabutops EX, within your first five turns.
 
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Blizzard- Ill hop up on my horse and ride all over the place as much as I want to thank you very much. I have an ego, I have confidence, and oh yeah, I have backed my claims every friggin time I have brought them up. I talk trash, I know I am good, and every time someone doubts me I prove to them what I say. I think that if you knew how much time I put into the game youd have a bit more respect for my views. Just because I do not post on this board actively for everyone to see does not mean I do not partipate in ALOT of hard discussion where good decks are made. You know how you claim that Gardevoir Gardevoir EX and other decks are great and all we do is bash them? How its not " Our" deck so its bad? We had those decks on our board before they started showing up on this one, and if we need to we can show off the old posts on our site which are dated as proof. Monkeyman8889 was one of the first players to use Gardy, and to use it effectively. It has lost effectiveness though. I do not bash all decks that are not mine or my friends. I bash all the decks that have been USED AND PROVEN TO LOSE. Theres a difference. Almost every deck brought up had been looked over and tested to some degree. Yes, I am an elitist. Yes, I shut down others ideas. BUT I DO NOT DO IT OUT OF DISRESPECT OR BECAUSE ITS NOT WHAT I SAID ORIGINALLY. I base my words on my experience and actual testing.

Suicune is SO FREAKING BAD GUYS. WHAT ISN'T UNDERSTOOD ABOUT THIS! MY GOD! I CAN SEE LEGIT ARGUEMENTS SUCH AS KINGDRA, WALREIN, KABUTOPS EX EVEN ( NOT A CARD I FEEL WORKS BUT AT LEAST THE CARD ISNT CRAP ) AND AT LEAST WOBBUFFET AND GARDEVOIR ARE GOOD CARDS! SUicune is so BAD guys. It just gets OHKOed. You need 6 energy between 2 Suicunes and so lets see....you get a Suicune KOed by Blaziken EX. So you bring up a 2nd to KO me....OOPS. Take 120 from a Rayquaza...or 160 from an Ampharos. It wont work. You give up too many prizes and use too many energy cards.

As for my Kabutops vs Blaziken set up. Any liberties I took on Blazikens side are equal to those taken on Kabutop's side. I gave benefit of the doubt. If you want, I can play games over Apprentice and post the games move for move to show you how badly Blaziken DOMINATES Kabutops. Just to be sure we tested the match up AGAIN last night. Blaziken Rayquaza, NOT running Blaziken EX OR Ampharos even, went 3-0 vs it. We stopped testing after that. Not worth it.
 
I agree with tyranitar, suicune EX will not even scratch blaziken EX. Sure, it might get in one good shot....well not even that. The great thing about blaziken EX is that it doesn't have to wait for suicune to become active. Once you lay it, he OHKO's it, and he draws two prizes. You need to find a pokemon that can withstand an attack from it. In which not much can because two hits from it is OHKO to every pokemon released so far(maybe not the pokemon with fire resistance, if there is one).
 
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I agree with tyranitar, suicune EX will not even scratch blaziken EX. Sure, it might get in one good shot....well not even that. The great thing about blaziken EX is that it doesn't have to wait for suicune to become active. Once you lay it, he OHKO's it, and he draws two prizes. You need to find a pokemon that can withstand an attack from it. In which not much can because two hits from it is OHKO to every pokemon released so far(maybe not the pokemon with fire resistance, if there is one).
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And that is why we most ban it. The only card that could knock it out is espeon and you hafe to have the eevee, espeon, rare candy, and boost and even then they must have 6 energies in play. That's the only card that could be in every deck but it's still will probly loss. I hated the days of 'gatar and this is just stupid.
 
Thank you Prime. There are cards which can hold their own against Blaziken EX, but Suicune isn't it. The overall issue is vs the deck as a whole and any card which beats Blaz EX cannot beat the rest of the deck. I dunno...I just want to get this over with and not make us all deal with this card longer than needed as it WILL win.
 
After seeing everyones point of view, I think that Blazzy ex should be banned. BAR and Ninken already pwn almost everything, and with Blazzy ex they pwn EVERYTHING. Those two decks have become unbeatable now. If Blazzy ex stays, then something different has to be banned, like Rayquaza ex and exp Ninetales, but those two cards make their decks. I don't think Firestarter Blazzy should be banned, there are some good combos you can use it for besides with BAR and Niniken.

Maybe something in the next set will come out to help us stop it, but I think that's unlikely. Actually, if you figure that they are getting rid of the wizards sets after the next set, Niniken which is probably the best deck is gone, then RAMBO is left, which I don't think is quite as good as BAR. Then, if they banned either rayquaza ex OR blazzy ex, everything would be ok. But that wouldn't happen for a while and states are coming up.

Also, I think they are going to try and make Blazzy ex really rare so not many people can get them, but of course people will find a way to get their two copies.
 
I think Blizzard is thinking the wrong way on how Swampert/Suicune can beat BAR w/Blaze Ex. I have not tested this match up but this is what I am thinking. Let's say they have 2 Blaziken/Rayquaza built/Blaze Ex and even an Amphy. (Very genorous setup I'm giving) No matter how long that took lets assume the Swampert player has 2 Swampert on the bench. Maybe a third pokemon perhaps a Marshtomp you are slowly powering. You have 1 nrg on 1 of your Swampert.(this sides energy really doesn't matter) Could even be that Suicune. You(Swampert player) have Sparce active w/1 nrg and Suicune Ex IN YOUR HAND. Blaze Ex comes up, kos your Marshtomp or Cune Ex (Swampert has 110 HP in case your wondering). Next turn, Play Suicune Ex, retreat Sparce and play 3nrg on Cune with the 2 Swampert. Attack and ko Blaze ex returning all your nrg to your hand. They bring up Quaza and ko. Now you just need Shard and Swampert kos.(The nrg from Cune has returned to your hand.) Not easy and you still need Shard but quite possible IMO. You can Oracle for Shard or just keep 1 in your hand. You can even throw it down on a Swampert for later if you want. If its later in the game and I've given you enough time to still have 2 Electric for Amphy exp than I will have a better nrg count too. I give a fairly equal chance to powering up 2nd Swampert (which I can do in 2 turns) to you powering up Quaza to get the Swampert I have out. The deck just ohkos Blaziken RS. Still needs Shards so you need Oracle. Again this isn't easy but very possible. A good Swampert player won't leave his Suicune ex on the bench against a Blaze ex deck.
Anyways I completely agree that Blazquaza is the best pre-TATM deck and with Blaziken ex will still be the best deck. I don't think it is out of reach to the point that its broken though. So not everyone saying that we don't need to ban Blaziken ex is one of those players who never realized BAR's potential and dominance. I know its the best, just like Gatr was. Gatr was still beatable and counterable. Those that beat your counter were beat by Gatr.
 
It is possible to get at least two powered up Kabutops EX's with at least two fighting energies on them that can both work hand in hand with Blaziken EX. It might not work I totally agree, but ONLY if you get the right flips. With two K-tops EX, the percentage of getting two heads on either of them is greater. But K-Tops EX second attack with 70 could help out if you get one heads on one then bring up the fully loaded one and just blow away, remove two damage. And you can't have Xatu on the bench or it gets knocked SO easy.
I came close to beating a BlazeEX/Delcatty/Exeggutor deck with K-Tops EX. I lost not b/c I didn't get the flips that I needed it was the way I played out the Kabutops EX. But K-Tops did awesome the first 3 turns of the game.

All I'm saying, I have experimented with K-tops EX, if you play him right then you won't win against Blaziken EX but you have a good chance. I'm not supporting K-Tops EX, I'm just trying to find a solution to the complex equation.
 
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K lets not make this a 'bashing' thread like it happened with the Wailord thread, I think all we can do at the moment is wait for States, make a thread and get EVEYRONE to post what deck won in their State Championship (shouldn't be that hard!) If everyone cooperates, we will be able to see clear results on how badly or not Blaziken ex affected the metagame. If Blaziken ex DOES pwn all of the States, or decks like Kingdra and Swampert get first and Blaziken ex second, THEN we can take this matter more seriously and maybe ask Nintendo for official wording on this, until then, I say we leave this topic alone. It can be redone once results are in for State Championships, but we NEED EVERYONE to cooperate for this to be achieved.

-MuD
 
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So, you're willing to sacrifice the state championships to make sure a deck is broken. I think that's waiting too long, The SC's are too important to use as a testing ground for something we already know is broken beyond belief. It will be a major blow to the enviroment when every deck that won was a blaziken ex variation. Players might leave if they can't obtain the cards. The perfect time to decide would be now, before the big tourneys arrive.
 
Right, and its also such a rare card it gives people with money the huge edge at States. Not cool IMO.

Also as a disclaimer to whoever said what I said to YoungJohn was rude- John is a friend of mine. We hung out together the entire Pre Release and were actually competing over the Blaziken EXes lol. We harass each other about random things, its nothing personal, we are just ribbin each other. Its sad because I would have done the same trades ;)
 
I can only agree. The State Championships are too important. It's the only BIG tournament I'm able to go to (Thank you Sensei). The chance of going to the Nationals are slim to none. Sadly my family doesn't support or care about me and my Pokemon cards. States is the first big tournament for me and I want to do my best period
 
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