Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Blissey Annoying You? The best techs to bring it down...

desert eagle said:
Blissey beats Mario on the basis of consistency alone. I've never dropped a game to Mario yet, as I setup 90-95% of the time and their setup is usually garbage or way too slow to deal with Blissey.

My 3 losses with Blissey this season were to:

Ramen TRUK vs Pickup TRUK (where he got fast blisseys and draw and I had no supporters for SEVEN turns mid game, causing me to run out of steam and lose by one prize);

Finals vs the same guy (My Riolu got t2'd by his Blissey/Boost; I went on to win the next 2 games in that best of 3 easily, when my deck got the chance to play out properly)

Ramen TRUK vs Lukedrio: I open the game with no supporters and 6-7 turns in, I lose my Blisseys to his Lucarios turn 3-4 without drawing a single supporter until the last turn where I used Steven's Advice for 2, which made no difference.

I've beaten countless fighting decks during BRs, its not a big problem at all.
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^^^^
Did I not contribute Prime?

Giving constructive advice, and giving false, misleading, untested advice are two completely different things. Analysis from TESTED games during tournaments is real advice. Just pulling out every fighting Pokemon in modified and every colorless resistant pokemon doesn't do anyone any good at all.
 
Prime said:
That's correct Phazon Elite. None of the elite players are trying at all to give back to the online community and post articles, and then when someone does, they get picked on because their lists aren't that great or their ideas aren't that great. At least this person is contributing more than anyone else is. That's been true for quite a while actually. It's very sad, and I wish something would change, but it won't as long as people only care about winning and nothing else.
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my, have we gotten outselves on a high horse
i feel bad now, all i have done is correct some people illisions that simply flinging weakness based decks with no real strategy and hoping to win and made them realize how wrong they were
then gone and told them the real best tech against blissey, rather than continue to follow their blind path...
i feel so worthless...
pokegym, will you please forgive me...
*cries*
 
desert eagle said:
^^^^
Did I not contribute Prime?

Giving constructive advice, and giving false, misleading, untested advice are two completely different things. Analysis from TESTED games during tournaments is real advice. Just pulling out every fighting Pokemon in modified and every colorless resistant pokemon doesn't do anyone any good at all.
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Sure, you gave back to the community! What you gave back is up for question though. LOL
 
Eagle: The above specified advice is, in my opinion, directly related to your skill and luck. In essence, you said that you won 90-95% of your games due to your good starts and your opponent's bad starts (if I misunderstand you, please do let me know). That statistic appears to be unguaranteeable (one can not always bank on such luck, nor will most people have the same apparent experience with the deck as you).

Sorry if I didn't make much sense; I currently have a head cold or something. -_-
 
Phazon Elite said:
Eagle: The above specified advice is, in my opinion, directly related to your skill and luck. In essence, you said that you won 90-95% of your games due to your good starts and your opponent's bad starts (if I misunderstand you, please do let me know). That statistic appears to be unguaranteeable (one can not always bank on such luck, nor will most people have the same apparent experience with the deck as you).

Sorry if I didn't make much sense; I currently have a head cold or something. -_-
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I think you misunderstood me Phazon. What I said was my deck SETS UP (gets an ideal start) 90-95% of the time (with the trainer engine that I play). Two of the games I lost with the deck were because of the very low percentage where the deck doesn't set up AND doesn't recover from a bad setup (and the last one was a Turn 2 loss, which I probably would of won given the chance, since my opponent drew the boost of a LOST wager, meaning I had everything in my hand to win that game)

When your deck properly gets going at a high rate and your opponents doesn't, chances are you'll win more games against that deck in the long run no matter what weaknesses or anything else amount to.
 
I do miss the best Blissey combi, which is Blissey/Sableye (Byebye)
It's not easy to win from that combination.

Of course you can run WP/Water to avoid it, but it's difficult to pull that out if you get T2 wager followed by a disable. For a straight Blissey the main nrg you need is most times FF/Fire due to all Fighting decks around.
 
Rainbowgym said:
I do miss the best Blissey combi, which is Blissey/Sableye (Byebye)
It's not easy to win from that combination.

Of course you can run WP/Water to avoid it, but it's difficult to pull that out if you get T2 wager followed by a disable. For a straight Blissey the main nrg you need is most times FF/Fire due to all Fighting decks around.
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To have that happen, Sableye would have had to be the starting Pokemon, or Blissey could have T2 KO'ed something, thus allowing Sableye to be promoted. If the former is true, the Blissey player should be berated for putting himself in that position (if one's opponent has a Sableye active, one shouldn't evolve one's Chansey until one can OHKO said Sableye). If the latter is correct, one should easily be able to stay one step ahead of one's opponent by simply building up another Chansey.
 
Prime said:
That's correct Phazon Elite. None of the elite players are trying at all to give back to the online community and post articles, and then when someone does, they get picked on because their lists aren't that great or their ideas aren't that great. At least this person is contributing more than anyone else is. That's been true for quite a while actually. It's very sad, and I wish something would change, but it won't as long as people only care about winning and nothing else.
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Yes it is sad, as long as me and my daughter are having fun I can care less about the Pokemon Elitists and their wins.

When we find something that works very well I will make sure the world knows.:cool:
 
...you mispelled Exeggutor...

Also, Blissey isn't too bad. Your average Stage 2 will 2HKO it, and Blissey usually will not OHKO another Stage 2 without mass energy on it + Boost.
 
don't some blissey decks play wp? with water your best tech dies, horribly.
though i agree, it has 1 attack, and if it can be shut down, they lose.

blissey empoleon? i see no synergy here.
and i think blissey plays with one of the magmortar, i'm thinking the new one coming out, spam him with energy, when he dies, get them back with blissey.

another really good card against blissey is gardy pk, if you use psychic boom you can wrack up some serious damage.
 
i don't think all of these fail, Machamp (PK) is the best answer for it, and as said before Gallade has an 80-20/70-30 vs. it. Machamp isn't to great of a card to focus a deck around it, at least IMO since I don't like flips and the attack is to costy to be having flips. But it can 2HKO Blissey, not taking into account potions, or Strength Charm/Plus Power, which I know just like before the people who are on the Blissey bandwagon (90% of pokemon players) will defend it by saying you can play potions, yeah well we the 10% who are trying to find answers for it can play plus power/strength charms.

So there is your answer to Blissey, Machamp (PK) and another fighting pokemon say Lucario to do some damage to it on the bench. I'm not talking about Mario, I'm talking about Luchamp, because Mario supporters were wanting to use ER2s for the Holon FF, when instead they could have played 2(PK)-1(DP) on the Machamp line. So if you start with Lucario, and build some damage on the initial blissey and some bench damage on the benched one, Machamp could some in and sweep about 3 Blisseys with a Lake Boundary (or some help from PPs and SCs). If you get Machamp first then you can 2HKO their initial one while building a Lucario or another Machamp on the bench.
 
Chris: First, very interesting analysis. Hadn't thought about it the other way, going Machamp PK. Yeah, I can see that since Blissey is big (no pun intended) and no Psychic Pokemon are very popular, especially with the format rotation (no Banette EX, no Metagross DX, no Mew EX). So, I see the possibility of Machamp PK/Lake Boundary/Plus Power.

Second, very few Mario players are touting ER2. I mentioned it, but I am against it.. too flippy. Warp Point would do a better job than ER2. And Crystal Beach could be amazing if Mario went without DRE.

Third, while I see your point about "Luchamp" being different than Mario, you still mention 2 PK-1 DP Machamp as the current play, which, to me, is still Mario. But hey, call it whatever you want! I'm definitely doing to promote this strategy however in the Mario thread, and I'll give you full credit. Thanks!
 
blissey is bdif this format.
the only real counter i see there is crystal beach.
stopping boost's can be MEGA helpful.
but they can always just bump your beach with a drakes.....and bam...there goes your chance.
so yea,wait till secret wonders if you want blissey counters.
 
Blissey, currently, has little counters that you can use. Desert Eagle played in BRs and Blissey has shown the consistancy in his games (not to mention, most of these games in BR he had, he had bad starts more than often). Crystal Beach does not change that he can consistently deliver nice damage around 40-50 until it can do alot.

Later on, Gallade may do something to it, but everyone needs to remember as long as FF is around, Fighting still has trouble against it. 60+20 for each prize flipped is only good for that 1 Blissey with the FF on. Unless you can spread damage around and use Absol ex for the kill, with Gallade's first attack.

Besides, there are at least 3 more Blissey variants that I can remember of that can stomp Gallade flat.
 
There are successful Blissey lists that contain both FF and WP. I'm just not at liberty to disclose what else....not my deck!

Keith
 
KingGengar said:
Chris: First, very interesting analysis. Hadn't thought about it the other way, going Machamp PK. Yeah, I can see that since Blissey is big (no pun intended) and no Psychic Pokemon are very popular, especially with the format rotation (no Banette EX, no Metagross DX, no Mew EX). So, I see the possibility of Machamp PK/Lake Boundary/Plus Power.

Second, very few Mario players are touting ER2. I mentioned it, but I am against it.. too flippy. Warp Point would do a better job than ER2. And Crystal Beach could be amazing if Mario went without DRE.

Third, while I see your point about "Luchamp" being different than Mario, you still mention 2 PK-1 DP Machamp as the current play, which, to me, is still Mario. But hey, call it whatever you want! I'm definitely doing to promote this strategy however in the Mario thread, and I'll give you full credit. Thanks!
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hey, anyway i can help beat up the big bliss, i'm glad to help. Even if it's helping out Mario, I guess I'll have to play the deck first to see how I like it then I'll make my final judgement on it.

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Lawman said:
There are successful Blissey lists that contain both FF and WP. I'm just not at liberty to disclose what else....not my deck!

Keith
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we'll have to see how gallade is ran and how well it does against the rest of the metagame to see if it's really the blissey counter. Because we must remember that a deck just isn't good because it has a very good matchup against the BDIF, it also has to do at least alright against the rest.
 
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spoinkmaster said:
Sableye is actually terrible against Blissey, it gives Blissey the chance to power up benched ones, or Switch to an FF+Fighting one for a free prize. Stalling doesn't beat Blissey. And Drake's Stadium + 4 Potion makes it so Sableye does nothing to me.

Stadiums are useless against a good list, and I usually hit FF turn 2. So Fighting is just like Normal to me. GL beating Blissey, but none of this will do it.
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Thats a negative. Sabeleye can really hurt blissy in a lot of situations and also give you the time to set up yourself.
 
I like to run Claydol Ex against Blissey decks...

1) has poke power can change to fighting type
2) First attack, two colorless energies...does 20 and 10 more for each energy attached to the defending pokemon (uses Blisseys attack against him..)
3) Third attack two purple and one colorless...does 60 and can discard purple energy do discard an energy on the defending pokemon....(good by Holon FF energy!!!)

Combine these with Lake Boundary and is may work...
 
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