Blissey Annoying You? The best techs to bring it down...
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ape101
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I agree. You beat me to it Pokeplayer! Just today i was experimenting with claydol ex against blissey. It works! Combine it with lake boundry for the win!!!
spazcrackers
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the current format is quite simple. you play blissey,or you play to beat it. in that regard this fellow has posted IMO the most focused and one of the most useful articles to date. sure most of the techs will still lose to blissey but he was making everyone more aware of the cards that can DONK or under just the right circumstance pull an upset. so when all these amazing blissey players lose to medicham,or get stalled out by sableye then beat by medicam/other weak fighting poke in the deck i can't help but find it amusing because they'll say,well i never saw that one coming,maybe i shouldn't have made fun of that guys article. great article and nice try,nothing but kudos from me.
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Articjedi
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I dunno if running through a appr database and picking fighting cards and crystal beach qualifies as focused and extensive. I'm generally against these types of articles because they force you to build a deck in a certain way. What we really should be doing to counter blissey is to simply find a better deck.
desert eagle
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Whats so great about Ramen TRUK is that it IS Blissey, and at the same time, it works to COUNTER Blissey! That explains my 5-0 record against Blissey variants
Darkwalker
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Of the cards currently out there I think one of the better Blissey counters is Exeggutor, both of them. The HP one is pretty obvious since it's a fast, hard hitting Fighting type. It's Split Bomb can also quickly bring benched Blissey's down into normal KO ranges, especially combined with Lake Boundary and/or ER2. The Exeggutor in MT is probably my favorite Blissey counter right now. Both it's attacks require only 1 energy, but that one energy does some pretty amazing things. You can set up your whole bench very quickly if this guy is allowed to stick around for more than 1 turn in the active role with Nutritional Support. It's other attack, however, it why I love it for countering Blissey. String Bomb is flippy, but against a typical Blissey with 4-5 (or more) basic energy on it you can possibly KO or severly damage a blissey for only 1 energy.
JohnnyBlaze
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The problem with this is that APE is still played and this loses sorely to APE with Buffer Pieces/Delta Reduction the whole deck is Fire weak. And the Mismagius/Sableye loses sorely to APE. APE is not that bad of matchup against Blissey either. A quick Candy Ape DRE is hitting Blissey for 80 take that 2 Turns and a Quick Ape beats Blissey bad. I would like to see Ape added to that list.
Infernape isn't that great against Blissey. I've played games where they do T2 90 and still lose, because the attack is expensive and doesn't one hit anything until the LV.X comes up. With the primary DRE search rotated (Lass), it's too hard to find them on a consistent basis.
Sableye is annoying, but not nearly as devastating as some of you make it out to be. It can sit there and do 10 (nothing, if you have a Drake's in play) for a little bit, but even WITHOUT WP, you can retreat out of it; I actually did this at my last BR. Retreat, Boost, and do 90 for the KO.
Meganium doesn't do much either, from my experience. The only rated game I've lost to a Meganium deck was Meganium/Machamp, and I was T2d in one of the games (it was a top cut match). I've beaten MegaGatr and Meganium/Flygon without too much trouble.
Mismagius is a nice idea, but just doesn't deliver, especially if they play FF/Fighting, which Delcatty/Solo lists should if fighting resistance is a worry.
Also, Blissvire and Bliss/Lucario don't need to use Holon Energy as much as the others do. Admittedly, Blissvire has the worst Fighting matchup against them all, but it doesn't equal an autoloss. I played in one BR with Blissvire, in which I went 5-1 against fighting decks. Pure speed (no, Blissvire is NOT slow, contrary to what many people seem to think) generally outdoes most fighting stuff, and Electivire LV.X gives you outs against Cessation, which most fighting decks play. Lucario gives you an alternate type, so weakness isn't as much of a problem with that variant.
Sableye is annoying, but not nearly as devastating as some of you make it out to be. It can sit there and do 10 (nothing, if you have a Drake's in play) for a little bit, but even WITHOUT WP, you can retreat out of it; I actually did this at my last BR. Retreat, Boost, and do 90 for the KO.
Meganium doesn't do much either, from my experience. The only rated game I've lost to a Meganium deck was Meganium/Machamp, and I was T2d in one of the games (it was a top cut match). I've beaten MegaGatr and Meganium/Flygon without too much trouble.
Mismagius is a nice idea, but just doesn't deliver, especially if they play FF/Fighting, which Delcatty/Solo lists should if fighting resistance is a worry.
Also, Blissvire and Bliss/Lucario don't need to use Holon Energy as much as the others do. Admittedly, Blissvire has the worst Fighting matchup against them all, but it doesn't equal an autoloss. I played in one BR with Blissvire, in which I went 5-1 against fighting decks. Pure speed (no, Blissvire is NOT slow, contrary to what many people seem to think) generally outdoes most fighting stuff, and Electivire LV.X gives you outs against Cessation, which most fighting decks play. Lucario gives you an alternate type, so weakness isn't as much of a problem with that variant.
KingGengar
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Exeggutor is a deck I've already built. Wunnerful. You'll see it at Cities.
Claydol EX sounds like fun, but a little tricky. What to combine? Toxicroak? Drapion?
Claydol EX sounds like fun, but a little tricky. What to combine? Toxicroak? Drapion?
Rainbowgym
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Great you waisted a boost to KO a 60HP Pokemon, exactly what the Sableye player needs.
That's 1 boost less for you to attack their Blisseys.
Next sableye comes and now what? Another boost to waist? 3 Pluspowers? And if you don't play switch/warp point/WP psy you cannot even attack next turn. Another retreat???
Sableye can make you run out of resources.
Sure there are ways around Sableye, but it's also there to discard (if there is no CC in play)
I am not saying Sableye is a kind of holy tech, but it's a very good one in many ways.
I somehow got out of that situation... I killed the Sableye, and he night maintenanced and got it right back. So I sent up my Sableye ~_~ our game went 15 minutes past time.
I mean, depending on how long they Disable for, you can manually attach 3 energy to a Blissey. Fighting/FF also helps so you don't have to waste a boost, although I had dropped the fighting when this match happened.
Rainbowgym
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I know the Sableye is not always the best way and without FF/Fight a game can turn into a long disable "war".
But even with Blissey you cannot always put in all cards you might need for specific match ups.
With only 8 or 10 Pokemon in a deck you do have more space to add trainers, and only during a tournament you will find out if the choise you made was the correct one.
Sometimes WP/Psy is the right play, another time using 3 Warp points.
Sometimes that single fighting nrg might become a keycard, another time you wish you had used Celio i.s.o Quick Ball.
But even with Blissey you cannot always put in all cards you might need for specific match ups.
With only 8 or 10 Pokemon in a deck you do have more space to add trainers, and only during a tournament you will find out if the choise you made was the correct one.
Sometimes WP/Psy is the right play, another time using 3 Warp points.
Sometimes that single fighting nrg might become a keycard, another time you wish you had used Celio i.s.o Quick Ball.
JohnnyBlaze
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Every single BR I attended (6) there was always at least 1 Ape deck there in MA and let alone JR + SR. 3 of those BR APE made T4. So Im not sure where you play but APE is still a deck to contend with. We will see it at Cities beleive that. Also Ape and Blissey have been played together.
GodTrainer
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I think Octilary from MT has a good chance at nice anti-blissy tech
Its attacks are coloress and does more damage if the defending Pokemon (blissy) has any special nrg cards attached (holon ff) then you discard that card lol:thumb:
http://pokegym.net/gallery/showimage.php?i=31358&c=154
my friend tech'd it in his empoleon/lucario deck this weekend and did quite good against both my bliss variants (blisscatty and speedbliss)
Its attacks are coloress and does more damage if the defending Pokemon (blissy) has any special nrg cards attached (holon ff) then you discard that card lol:thumb:
http://pokegym.net/gallery/showimage.php?i=31358&c=154
my friend tech'd it in his empoleon/lucario deck this weekend and did quite good against both my bliss variants (blisscatty and speedbliss)
Ardoptres
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Lia (Rainbowgym) and....?
Rainbowgym
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I also played against an Octillery MT/Empoleon deck, but it's not that hard for Blissey to work around that first attack.
No need to attach any holon nrg to Blissey when facing that card and it can easy be KO'd.
No need to attach any holon nrg to Blissey when facing that card and it can easy be KO'd.
corypoke2
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Not a tech per se but a Gallade deck should be a pretty tough matchup for Blissey. It's attacks 1) drop the defender to 50 and bench them and 2) 60+20 for each prize flipped over seem aimed right at that big fat egg. I'm sure Gallade in turn has tough matchups but hopefully some balance will return to the format.