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NoPoke said:
A case wont complete this set. And at $800+ (UK price) for a case I just can't see how that is going to retain customers.

We gave up on the reverses ages ago.
Time to give up on collecting alltogeter?
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The thing is this is my first time collecting. I just normally keep the cards I want and then sell the rest in bulk to get more cards. I was looking at everything and say I had a large amount of the set in reverse so I wanted to try to complete a rev set and non rev set. They look really cool to have rev. Even my friends think its cool but the problem is I need 4 mewtwo ex's for the set. Thats about 280-320 bucks right there. I also need another 2 for my deck.

Its just hard to keep up with all this. Money is not the way it should be right now.
 
After the prerelease, I am... less than thrilled... with these ratios, not just of EX cards in general, but each specifically.

Let me start by saying we had 111 players at our prerelease. Shattered our previous numbers, nearly gave our PTO a heart attack. If we'd gotten a 112th player, we would have had to turn them away.

So for the first part of the prerelease, we opened 666 packs. I decided to keep track of 4 of the EX cards - Reshiram, Zekrom, Mewtwo, and Regigigas. I walked around while people were building and asked what EX cards they'd pulled. Grand total?

Reshiram: At least 12
Zekrom: At least 10
Mewtwo: 6 (2 FA, 4 normal)
Regigigas: 3 (NO FA)

So not only are they giving us three of the less anticipated EX Pokemon in tins, they're also giving us the most common ones by a large margin. :<

Also, after the tournament was done, I asked tables what shinies they'd pulled. After all was done, we opened over a thousand packs. Over a thousand! Grand total?

4 Emboar
3 Hydreigon
2 Zoroark
0 Chandelure

That's right, out of 28+ boxes, not one person at our prerelease could complete the set. One thousand packs, 9 shinies.

Also an odd thing I noticed. We sat 6 to a table, so at 6 packs each it was pretty evenly a box a table. I noticed that a lot of the time, whatever FA was pulled also had its normal equivalent at the same table. Both Mewtwo FA cards, for example, had the player one one side pull the regular one. 3 Reshiram FA cards were next to their non-FA equivalents, too. Now, statistics may not be my best area, but that seems a little... unrandom. Anyone else notice this?

As far as energy go, it was extremely erratic. We had boxes opened that had a total of 3 special energy. However, I watched one box be opened that had 6 Prism, 6 DCE, and a reverse DCE. :eek: So we had tables where not a single person pulled a DCE, and other table that had two players pull 3 DCE each. :/ The trainers seemed to be about even. We had slightly less Heavy Ball and Skyarrow, but it wasn't by a large margin.

All in all, the prerelease was fun, but this set is a nightmare. >.< I'm really hoping the company sees how many fans they're annoying and changes things next set. (Of course, next set might only have 4 EX cards instead of 6, but still.)
 
NoPoke said:
A case wont complete this set. And at $800+ (UK price) for a case I just can't see how that is going to retain customers.

We gave up on the reverses ages ago.
Time to give up on collecting alltogeter?
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Wouldn't that make collecting the set more enjoyable to collect? Sure it'll be harder (not that much harder than a few years ago mind you), but when all is said and done I'd think it would be a rather nice feeling.

@AyameHikaru

Sounds like bad luck too me. We've had a lot of Mewtwo EX pulled (I counted at least 3 yesterday and I wasn't looking for them), and I've seen plenty of Regigigas, though there were quite a few Reshiram EX there weren't as many Zekrom EX.
 
TheRolesWePlay said:
Wouldn't that make collecting the set more enjoyable to collect? Sure it'll be harder (not that much harder than a few years ago mind you), but when all is said and done I'd think it would be a rather nice feeling.

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No because at some point you are forced to cut your losses. With ND I project the investment required to collect the set at $800+ which just isn't worth it to me. If there is no realistic way of completing the set by buying boxes without spending $800+ then I'm not going to consider the task achievable by buying boxes.
 
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Completing this set would just leave me feeling bitter that I had to drop so much money to do it, personally. Which was not the case after I completed BW-NV.
 
You guys don't have to complete your collections by cracking cases of boosters. Just buy a couple of boxes and then buy singles. Almost every card except Mewtwo is $14.99 or under at Trollandtoad I think. That's reasonably priced, especially if you compare to Yugioh! or even MTG.

Also, if you happen to crack any spare Mewtwos, you can always sell them back out for $80 and make a nifty profit.

Frost said:
Completing this set would just leave me feeling bitter that I had to drop so much money to do it, personally. Which was not the case after I completed BW-NV.
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Next Destinies is way better for collecting than any other BW set before, IMO. The Pokemon released in this set (the birds, etc.) are way cooler. BW and EP felt watered down. EP made a couple of uncommons holo and has those battle deck musketeer trio, which were completely underwhelming. Thundurus and Tornadus also belonged in BW, which did not have enough full arts. NV improved a little bit but still had too many holos I did not care for (Eelektross, Bisharp, Leavanny, etc.) and Next Destinies goes a little overboard in terms of ultra rares but it still has the best cards to collect out of all the sets.
 
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If something crazy happens, like someone gets mugged for a playset of Mewtwos, would that force TCPi to print the card as a promo?
 
Griftiest said:
If something crazy happens, like someone gets mugged for a playset of Mewtwos, would that force TCPi to print the card as a promo?
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no, I don't think that is really their problem. They will do what is best for their wallets. Releasing Mewtwo as a promo will make people less inclined to buy booster packs. And while the mewtwo promo (blister I guess?) would fly off the shelves, it is more lucrative to make people buy tons of packs to get their mewtwos.

It really is ridiculous that they would make such an important card so rare in a set. Collectors are going to buy a lot of the set anyway to collect it all, and little kids are still going to buy tons of packs with their parents money. Sure, it is a relatively good business decision in theory, but for all the support from the fans of this game and the people trying to promote it with their own money and time, it isn't a nice way to give back.
 
sentimentGX4 said:
Next Destinies is way better for collecting than any other BW set before, IMO. The Pokemon released in this set (the birds, etc.) are way cooler. BW and EP felt watered down. EP made a couple of uncommons holo and has those battle deck musketeer trio, which were completely underwhelming.
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I really enjoyed EP because I liked a lot of the Pokemon and most of the artwork, so...

If I ranked the BW sets in terms of how much I like them as a collector, my list would be:
1. NV
2. EP
3. BW
4. ND

My list is pretty much based on how much I like the art and the selection of Pokemon. But NV was also probably the best compromise in terms of number and availability of special cards, too. I personally feel less is more when it comes to the chase cards but I can see why people would want a little more than what BW/EP offered, especially because there was a really good chance of getting both FAs in a BW/EP box. But the 16 in ND with their current pull rates is just TOO much.
 
NoPoke said:
No because at some point you are forced to cut your losses. With ND I project the investment required to collect the set at $800+ which just isn't worth it to me. If there is no realistic way of completing the set by buying boxes without spending $800+ then I'm not going to consider the task achievable by buying boxes.
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I have 2 questions then

Why do you think you'd need to buy so many because that seems a little overkill and you'd probably wind up with everything with a case, and maybe an extra box or two if you're unlucky with shinies.

Second can't you trade for some of the stuff? You don't have to buy boxes until you complete the set.

In all honesty if you hate this set for collection reasons, then you probably weren't around for or don't remember the ex series too well. Some of the sets had secret rares that weren't even guaranteed in a case. Sure it's hard, but boxes aren't the only way of obtaining cards, and cards like shinies aren't that hard to trade for.
 
espeon200 said:
I lol'd. Seriously, there are very few people in this forum with the experience of NoPoke.
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Guess I should learn more about some of the people here. :tongue:

Still though I don't really see how this set is much worse than back in the EX series, since there were some difficult to get cards to get back then.
 
I was the boss to quite a few people today at the pre-release in Edmonton, Alberta. Not only did I pull a Shiny Emboar out of my first 6 packs, I pulled a Shiny Hydreigon in the last 2 packs I got.

2/24 or 1/12 chance that I performed today.

But oh do I ever wish I could have gotten the EX's they took up instead of being Shiny's... :(
 
vaporeon said:
The thing is this is my first time collecting. I just normally keep the cards I want and then sell the rest in bulk to get more cards. I was looking at everything and say I had a large amount of the set in reverse so I wanted to try to complete a rev set and non rev set. They look really cool to have rev. Even my friends think its cool but the problem is I need 4 mewtwo ex's for the set. Thats about 280-320 bucks right there. I also need another 2 for my deck.

Its just hard to keep up with all this. Money is not the way it should be right now.
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You can just buy the complete set of Next Destinies on Troll and Toad for $250

http://trollandtoad.com/p330145.html

I'm sure you could probably buy a reverse holo (sans EX's) for $75 at the most. So as far as collecting purposes, the set would be around $325 at most.

I am 99 percent sure that there aren't any reverse holo's of the ex's, so you're numbers are off already. You would just need 1 Mewtwo EX and 1 FA Mewtwo EX.....
 
Charranitar said:
You can just buy the complete set of Next Destinies on Troll and Toad for $250

http://trollandtoad.com/p330145.html

I'm sure you could probably buy a reverse holo (sans EX's) for $75 at the most. So as far as collecting purposes, the set would be around $325 at most.

I am 99 percent sure that there aren't any reverse holo's of the ex's, so you're numbers are off already. You would just need 1 Mewtwo EX and 1 FA Mewtwo EX.....
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Just to say some things in defense of other collectors. I'm trying to collect the cards by buying packs and trading for them. Sure I'll buy what I need but it takes the fun out of collecting when you can just go and buy the set from a retail store. It's almost no work at all and collecting requires work. It's like buying a game with the game completed 100 percent and then say you did everything.

As for my numbers being off, I don't see how. I need to complete 2 sets. I need 1 of each EX/FA for my non rev set and I need a set or each EX/FA for my rev set. Thats 2 Mewtwo EX and 2 FA Mewtwo EX for my sets. I also need 2 for my deck.

It's a lost easier for me to by a box online for 90 and get 2-3 EX's and maybe a SR then it is for me to buy them. not only do I get other trade-able cards, I also get revs of cards people want, then I sell my bulk for more boxes. I just can't afford to trade way hundreds of dollars in cards to get 6 cards. I'll be trading away my trades just to get a card.

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TheRolesWePlay said:
Guess I should learn more about some of the people here. :tongue:

Still though I don't really see how this set is much worse than back in the EX series, since there were some difficult to get cards to get back then.
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You also have to look at the fact that not everyone are senior collectors. yes I played back during the last EX series but I never bought boxes. I would just go and by the packs of the shelf at walmart. Sometimes I'll pull 5-8 EX pokemon and other times I'll pull 2-4.

Most of us are new collectors with different goals. The pull rates are bad. Back then, in FRLG, there was not a full art Zapdos ex, just the 1. Those were the only ones to get. Now we have EX pokemon and a full art of each of them AND 4 SR's to get. Collecting now is much harder.
 
GodBlessAmerica said:
no, I don't think that is really their problem. They will do what is best for their wallets. Releasing Mewtwo as a promo will make people less inclined to buy booster packs. And while the mewtwo promo (blister I guess?) would fly off the shelves, it is more lucrative to make people buy tons of packs to get their mewtwos.

It really is ridiculous that they would make such an important card so rare in a set. Collectors are going to buy a lot of the set anyway to collect it all, and little kids are still going to buy tons of packs with their parents money. Sure, it is a relatively good business decision in theory, but for all the support from the fans of this game and the people trying to promote it with their own money and time, it isn't a nice way to give back.
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I think you're underestimating how much good PR is worth.

Word gets out that people are willing to mug people for pokemon cards, parents are definitely going to think twice about bringing their kids to a tournament.
 
Griftiest said:
Word gets out that people are willing to mug people for pokemon cards, parents are definitely going to think twice about bringing their kids to a tournament.
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Nintendo doesn't make most of its money from the competitive community, though.

Pokemon is the major TCG with the least amount of players. Only a small fraction of that of MTG.

Most Pokemon buyers buy their cards from Walmart.
 
sentimentGX4 said:
Nintendo doesn't make most of its money from the competitive community, though.

Pokemon is the major TCG with the least amount of players. Only a small fraction of that of MTG.

Most Pokemon buyers buy their cards from Walmart.
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Notice how he said "pokemon buyers" NOT "pokemon players"...very much true
 
sentimentGX4 said:
Nintendo doesn't make most of its money from the competitive community, though.

Pokemon is the major TCG with the least amount of players. Only a small fraction of that of MTG.

Most Pokemon buyers buy their cards from Walmart.
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It's nice that you have info that the rest of us don't have. Can you quote your source? ..... or did you mean to say that it's your opinion that most people buy from whoever?

Just checkin'.
 
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