Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Crobat prime: good, bad, or just plain ugly

Kayle said:
Yeah, see, that might actually make sense.
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so0o then you read that as in all them being together in one deck? riiight, should read it through completely dude before you hit submit, i said theres lots you can do with it, plenty of techs and deff ways to play it. yes Unown G stops him simple of coruse is the only thing i have against him, and Steelix Prime laughs in his face...
 
BlackBrock said:
so0o then you read that as in all them being together in one deck? riiight, should read it through completely dude before you hit submit, i said theres lots you can do with it, plenty of techs and deff ways to play it. yes Unown G stops him simple of coruse is the only thing i have against him, and Steelix Prime laughs in his face...
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Well, I wouldn't play one of them in the deck. . . Except for Crobat G of course.

Steelix Prime is a lot less playable than Crobat. So I really wouldn't worry about that.
 
DEOXEYS cool form 7777777 said:
Well, I wouldn't play one of them in the deck. . . Except for Crobat G of course.

Steelix Prime is a lot less playable than Crobat. So I really wouldn't worry about that.
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I think Steelix Prime, Crobat Prime, and Luxray GL LvX are all on the same level of playability.

You put them in a deck, sit down across from someone, and BAM! You're playing. Unless you're in a premier event. In which case, it's 'Wait for it... wait for it... BAM! You're playing.'

Seriously though, Crobat Prime is a GOOD card. We're in a format where it can't shine, but that doesn't change the fact that it has two strong, cheap attacks, good HP, and free retreat. Many decks have dropped Unown G for consitencys sake, with the fall of Gengar SF in favor of Cursegar, which really negates much of your argument. Yeah, free retreat is prevelant in this format, which is the main reason Crobat can't do well. Doesn't mean it should be slammed as a failure on par with Arcanine.
 
ShuckleLVX said:
I think Steelix Prime, Crobat Prime, and Luxray GL LvX are all on the same level of playability.

You put them in a deck, sit down across from someone, and BAM! You're playing. Unless you're in a premier event. In which case, it's 'Wait for it... wait for it... BAM! You're playing.'

Seriously though, Crobat Prime is a GOOD card. We're in a format where it can't shine, but that doesn't change the fact that it has two strong, cheap attacks, good HP, and free retreat. Many decks have dropped Unown G for consitencys sake, with the fall of Gengar SF in favor of Cursegar, which really negates much of your argument. Yeah, free retreat is prevelant in this format, which is the main reason Crobat can't do well. Doesn't mean it should be slammed as a failure on par with Arcanine.
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Lol touche.

But if Unown G is falling. . . Why not play Gengar SF over this? Sooo much more [DEL]playable[/DEL] better if everyone is dropping Unown G's, and is simply the better option.
 
Steelix Prime lost a lot of playability when Onix was errata'd; however, it has way more potential than Crobat Prime. It has 140 HP and is a stage 1, can utilize Special Metals and abuse them, and has a decent enough 100 attack. Sure, it's slower than Crobat, but by no means worse.

It will be impossible to make a consistent Crobat deck (even if Luxray loses popularity), because there are sooo many playable cards that render it useless. Low damage output, bad weakness, case closed.
 
ShuckleLVX said:
I wasn't trying to debate the better option, just knock aprt your argument ^_-
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The fact that Unown G use has declined does not 'knock aprt' his argument.

Unown G use has declined because it is not needed so much. It is still an easy and effective answer to Crobat Prime, and if Crobat Prime were to get much play in this format, you can bet that Unown G use would rise again.

I do see some potential in Steelix Prime. It has one or two interesting combos.
 
vegitalian said:
It will be impossible to make a consistent Crobat deck (even if Luxray loses popularity), because there are sooo many playable cards that render it useless. Low damage output, bad weakness, case closed.
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Honestly, I don't really like the card, but it doesn't deserve what everyone here is giving it, so I feel obligatged to defend it >.>

You contradict yourself here. Electric has never been a oft-played type, until Luxray GL LvX came along. I think the last big Electric deck was Manectric EX? So, if Luxray loses popularity, how is it a bad weakness? You can't start a paragraph with a premise then expect it to not hold true throughout.

Backtracking farther, yes, if Crobat came out of left field to be huge, Unown G would make a comeback. But until then, it doesn't see much play and probably won't survive the rotation (not the place to jump into a rotation discussion), so plenty of time for Crobat to make a stand if someone can make it work, without giving Unown G time to work its way back into decks. This season is almost over!
 
ShuckleLVX said:
Honestly, I don't really like the card, but it doesn't deserve what everyone here is giving it, so I feel obligatged to defend it >.>

You contradict yourself here. Electric has never been a oft-played type, until Luxray GL LvX came along. I think the last big Electric deck was Manectric EX? So, if Luxray loses popularity, how is it a bad weakness? You can't start a paragraph with a premise then expect it to not hold true throughout.

Backtracking farther, yes, if Crobat came out of left field to be huge, Unown G would make a comeback. But until then, it doesn't see much play and probably won't survive the rotation (not the place to jump into a rotation discussion), so plenty of time for Crobat to make a stand if someone can make it work, without giving Unown G time to work its way back into decks. This season is almost over!
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I admit it may have been somewhat confusing the way I said it. What I was getting at is that currently it has a bad weakness (Luxray) and poor damage output. If Luxray loses popularity, it will lose the 'bad weakness' (assuming nothing else Electric is deemed playable), but will maintain the low damage output. This will effectively keep it out of serious competitive play, unless of course Donphan becomes the ONLY deck in the format.
 
DEOXEYS cool form 7777777 said:
A card which auto loses to Luxchomp.

Again, in a DIFFERENT format, it wouldn't have as much problems with Luxray GL Lv.X. Perhaps in a HGSS-on format?

A card which does nothing if they Unown G their Pokemon.

See above. Perhaps next format when Unown G is gone?

A card which after retreating just fails.

This I don't buy. You're still doing 40 damage, and the opponent can't retreat every turn. Also, with cards like Dugtrio, retreating can hurt them even more.

For a 'playable deck' it sucks.

It doesn't suck, it just isn't playable RIGHT NOW.

When comparing it with Dialga Lv.X etc then obviously it's 'good', but I was comparing it to decks which enter tournaments regularly. Perhaps I should have been more clear on that.
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Would you say that Sceptile GE or Weavile SW sucked? Even though they aren't playable in the current format doesn't mean they suck. They are great cards that serve a good purpose, just that they don't fare that well against the current popular cards.

It's too easy to label cards into two areas, good and suck. It's rarely that simple.
 
Im playing it at BRs with Dialga G Lv.x/ Azelf Lv. X with speed healing and disruption hand wise. ITs not supposed to be able to win Nats, just another cool card that would be good in a more balanced format.
 
Again, in a DIFFERENT format, it wouldn't have as much problems with Luxray GL Lv.X. Perhaps in a HGSS-on format?

Fair enough.

See above. Perhaps next format when Unown G is gone?

Annnnnnd fair enough. But I'm talking about now deck wise. Perhaps I'm a lil blunt in the sence that it either sucks or owns but that's just how I state a card I guess.

This I don't buy. You're still doing 40 damage, and the opponent can't retreat every turn. Also, with cards like Dugtrio, retreating can hurt them even more.

In a deck like. . . I dunno. . . Jumpluff? It really isn't difficult to retreat every turn. Luxchomp? Really easy. Gyarados can always SSU instead and heal off all the damage. Most (not all) good decks at the moment can retreat out of poison easily. Even if it's from an SSU, a Poketurn, or even Warp Point retreating/evolving isn't the only way to get out of it.

It doesn't suck, it just isn't playable RIGHT NOW.

Which I'll happily agree with.

Would you say that Sceptile GE or Weavile SW sucked? Even though they aren't playable in the current format doesn't mean they suck. They are great cards that serve a good purpose, just that they don't fare that well against the current popular cards.

They where good at one point though

Crobat hasn't been good yet. And it could stay that way for ever. So we've got to wait till the rotation then probably a lot more after that before we know other wise it's just guess work.

It's too easy to label cards into two areas, good and suck. It's rarely that simple.

Probably, but that for me just works.
 
Kayle said:
Yeah, because you're going to outspeed your opponent (who may or may not play Claydol to begin with, see: smart Luxchomp players) and grab a successful Reversal every game.

GUARD was never the problem, free retreat was the problem, and Claydol may not have it but when your opponent can drop DCE to retreat it you have problems.
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If you want to retreat your Claydol with DCE, be my guest. It saves me one turn from being Dragon Rush'd or whatever big attack you're trying yo charge up. Retreating 'Dol is hardly the worst of my problems. The whole point of any Crobat deck should be to take out the Claydol early. You're so fast that it's very easy to do. SPs can be countered, I've already made a few suggestions to do so. Free retreat is a big problem, but as long as you eliminate Claydol, the game becomes that much easier.

I'm not saying Crobat is BDIF; it's far from it. I just like what it can do, that's all. It's a fun option and what other reason would I play a children's card game for? Obviously, to have fun.
 
Banette EX said:
Im playing it at BRs with Dialga G Lv.x/ Azelf Lv. X with speed healing and disruption hand wise. ITs not supposed to be able to win Nats, just another cool card that would be good in a more balanced format.
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watch it win a Nats event :lol: but that does sound like a good set up.

still theres alot to mix with Cro Prime, and does have potental if you know how to work around what stops it. isnt their a card that removes tools from the opponet? or am i just wrongly thinking of Mismag GL X ? could run Dark Palm tech and simply shuffle them back into the other person deck. (unkown G). or Metagross to lower HP then posion... (might actually try that...)

Not saying the card is beastly but it'll handel afew decks out there fairly well depending on the set up of crobat prime. personally loving Ursaring myself

@ Pokechampofpokebeach - it is nota childrens game.. :( mayb at one point, but for so many adults and teens to be palying and rules to be so in depth... deff not a kids game... "big kids" game lol
 
Well, maybe the 4 damage between turns isn't game breaking material, but think about it, how long would you want to sit there taking that damage?

You're going to want to retreat, SSU, or Poketurn after being badly poisoned. It's going to deplete your resources, and probably pretty quickly too.
 
MattPL said:
Well, maybe the 4 damage between turns isn't game breaking material, but think about it, how long would you want to sit there taking that damage?

You're going to want to retreat, SSU, or Poketurn after being badly poisoned. It's going to deplete your resources, and probably pretty quickly too.
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You can't deplete free retreat.
 
lulz SP vs Crobat. Retreat Luxray X, or just Poke-Turn it like usual, or you can drop a garchomp x and heal it all off...

yeah, really great matchup
 
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