Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Dialgachomp; Galactic Domination.

Alex2k said:
How about this: http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?t=124327&highlight=pooka

Round 6 - Machamp

I play Collector for Garchomp/Garchomp/Unown G, attach the G to Dialga, Radar for Dialga LV.X, attach a second Metal, and Second Strike for 50. I'm hoping he doesn't have Machamp LV.X... and he doesn't, whew. He goes for Hurricane Punch, which gets 3/4 for 70 damage. Unfortunately, I don't find a way to heal the damage off this turn, so I have to risk it! I attach a third Metal and use Remove Lost for the KO. For whatever reason, he decides to play a Warp Point, so I gladly sacrifice my Bronzong... whew, Dialga is alive.
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You realize that since you had DGX out it turns off Machamp's body...
 
Alex2k said:
The prize exchange:
  • Machamp player sends up Machamp #1, takes out Dialga G/active Pokemon.
  • DialgaChomp Player sends up Toxicroak G (with Lucario GL in play). KO's active Machamp #1.
  • Machamp #2 comes in, Hurricane Punches for 60 (average damage).
  • Toxicroak #1 Laughs, poketurns, sends up Crobat G, retreats Crobat G, uses Cyrus' Conspiracy to grab Aaron's Collection, Psychic Energy, Energy Gain, KO's Machamp #2
  • Machamp #3 comes in EXPERT BELTED (150 HP), KO's active Toxicroak with Hurricane Punch (3 heads, 25% chance)
  • Aaron's Collection for Toxicroak G, psychic energy. Send up Toxicroak G, KO Machamp #3
  • They hurricane Punch again, whiff (75% of whiff) and now get knocked out. If they hit heads, you bring up Uxie and take your prize.
  • Laugh and sign the slip.

How do they hit me "pretty hard?" Hurricane Punch? Sure Take Out is a ig factor, but what happens when they deal nothing to Toxicroak G with Take Out? They can play all the trainer cards they want, I will be knocking out Machamp in one hit. Expert Belt? Ok, but what's the difference? They need to hit 3 heads on Hurricane punch! That's unlikely anyways, and then I can send up Uxie and KO Machamp easily. Your argument is invalid...
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75% whiff? Yeah... I would like you hear that on that percentage when you have like a Azelf + Toxicroak G or Skuntank G prized with that percentage because that's most likely going to happen also.

What happens if they run FlyChamp? Then probably that's a way different story.

I would change my post if there were 3 Dialga G because that's what makes an actual Dialga G deck. You want to start with it.
 
COOL TRAINER D said:
I like this article and I learned a bit.

However, in my opinion, this is not really front-page worthy.

You claim to be going for consistency, but then only run 3 Call Energies, 3 DCEs, what's up with that? That's not consistent. Sure, late game Call is pretty dead draw but you have colorless requirements and it's an energy. It's not THAT dead of a draw. On the contrary late game topdecking a DCE is game breaking, so where's the consistency here? The only consistency is, on account of the insanely high energy count, you're going to be getting one energy in your hand every single game. Probably two, and sometimes three! That's not going to hep you at all.

Running 2 Dialga G is not consistent at all; it would be one thing if you ran 2-2 but you've only got 3 Dialga Gs in the whole deck. To claim consistency you're really going to need Dialga G card count at 4, and if you're going for T1 deafen, you'll need 3 Dialga G. There's nothing inherently wrong with running 2 Dialga G in DialgaChomp, but when you're claiming to get T1 Deafen, there is something seriously wrong here.

Another bat would really help; you can't count on flash biting five or even four times in a game with only one bat because you'll most likely be PokeTurning other pokemon as well.

Anyways, I did like the article. I enjoyed reading it and I learned a bit. I hadn't even fathomed Drifblim FB getting played ever, and I had completely forgot about toxitank countering machamp. However, I think there will be a new style of Machamp before serious tournament play next season: Donphan Machamp double Primes, and then you won't really need to dedicate five spots to counter Machamp.

In any case, well done, thanks for the read.
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I'd like you to try and fit in 5 slots for toxitank :thumb:. I spent over 8 hours on this article, How ridiculously rude of you to say that it isn't front page worthy, i'd love to see you write an article.

Colts8729 said:
You realize that since you had DGX out it turns off Machamp's body...
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Thanks for trying to make me look like a moron but that is Kyle S, AKA POOKA. Why dont you have a word with the #1 Dchomp player in the world? He was probably worried of the health, didn't think of that did you?

A z u l said:
75% whiff? Yeah... I would like you hear that on that percentage when you have like a Azelf + Toxicroak G or Skuntank G prized with that percentage because that's most likely going to happen also.

What happens if they run FlyChamp? Then probably that's a way different story.

I would change my post if there were 3 Dialga G because that's what makes an actual Dialga G deck. You want to start with it.
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Azelf is a 1/60 chance of being prized. Whiffing on Hurricane Punch is easy and probable. I wrote about Flychamp, read the article instead of trying to bash me.

3 Dialga makes a Dialgachomp deck? I'm sure you played the deck through 09 regionals through '10 regionals.

I love wasting my time to help people. -__-'
 
Alex2k said:
Azelf is a 1/60 chance of being prized. Whiffing on Hurricane Punch is easy and probable. I wrote about Flychamp, read the article instead of trying to bash me.
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1 in 10 chance - you have 6 Prizes.


I love wasting my time to help people. -__-'
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It's a good article so don't let it get you down. You provided a decent basic list and gave all the tech options with proper explanations. I don't agree with the list 100% either (2 Collector stands out) but I think people are not understanding the purpose of the article. It's not 'here is the best list, netdeck this or you aren't doing it right', it's 'here's an outline, now make your own'. If people think it should run 3 Dialga or Drifblim or whatever in it, then they can build their deck different can't they?
 
Alex2k said:
Thanks for trying to make me look like a moron but that is Kyle S, AKA POOKA. Why dont you have a word with the #1 Dchomp player in the world? He was probably worried of the health, didn't think of that did you?
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Just pointing out an error, calm down kid.
 
Colts8729 said:
Just pointing out an error, calm down kid.
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I don't think it was an error. He did 50 to a champ and next turn he planed to use remove lost for just enough damage for the ko, if he had champ lv.x, pooka wouln't be able to score the ko on the champ because it had an extra 20 hp.
 
Alex2k said:
I'd like you to try and fit in 5 slots for toxitank :thumb:. I spent over 8 hours on this article, How ridiculously rude of you to say that it isn't front page worthy, i'd love to see you write an article.



Thanks for trying to make me look like a moron but that is Kyle S, AKA POOKA. Why dont you have a word with the #1 Dchomp player in the world? He was probably worried of the health, didn't think of that did you?



Azelf is a 1/60 chance of being prized. Whiffing on Hurricane Punch is easy and probable. I wrote about Flychamp, read the article instead of trying to bash me.

3 Dialga makes a Dialgachomp deck? I'm sure you played the deck through 09 regionals through '10 regionals.

I love wasting my time to help people. -__-'
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Dude, calm down. It's just a game. Ever heard of the phrase... There will ALWAYS be someone better than you? Games are supposed to be fun while you're making it sound like it's your entire childhood.

Yeah, I've played the deck SEVERAL times. I've beat it at Worlds, played it at several tournaments, and know it. Everyone experienced knows what's the deck about. 3-1 Dialga G is consistent, if you disagree with everyone and I, go ahead and do.
 
A z u l said:
Dude, calm down. It's just a game. Ever heard of the phrase... There will ALWAYS be someone better than you? Games are supposed to be fun while you're making it sound like it's your entire childhood.

Yeah, I've played the deck SEVERAL times. I've beat it at Worlds, played it at several tournaments, and know it. Everyone experienced knows what's the deck about. 3-1 Dialga G is consistent, if you disagree with everyone and I, go ahead and do.
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I'm trying to be calm.

I figured that if I wrote an article about the deck people would appreciate it. The list isn't MY list, it doesn't HAVE to be your list. It's a GENERAL list.

Maybe for you it's just a game. I dunno what you're talking about with there will always be someone better than you, that's a given.

I never said I disagree with 3-1, I like it, but 2-1 was a change I needed to make to fit toxitank. I'm actually highly disappointed in the community for making me feel this way about my article. If I didn't include a list, i'd get bashed. If I did, i'd get bashed, there's no way around it apparantly.

Ignore the list and read the information. I took a list, removed some cards for toxitank, and that's that.

To another above poster, it was not a mistake as someone clearly pointed out. It was a HP issue.

Also, please don't flame my spelling either, i'm dyselicx so I don't see misspelled words as well, although I catch most of them.
 
Harrison ~

What set is "Toxicroak G Promo" in? Its a Promo. It's not in a set.
 
Alex2k said:
I figured that if I wrote an article about the deck people would appreciate it. The list isn't MY list, it doesn't HAVE to be your list. It's a GENERAL list.
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A "GENERAL" DialgaChomp list should have 3-1 dialga... It's like how a Machamp deck runs 3/1 machamp/machamp x

~It's the decks focus, why wouldn't you max it out, especially when the deck is completely oriented around T1 Deafen.
~The deck is even named after it.
~Toxitank is not enough to handle Machamp. Enough people have agreed and it's general consensus that without Unown G, you *have to* T1 Deafen AND spray each uxie (which they run 3-4 of). The turns you are attacking with toxitank are the turns the other player is dropping trainers and setting up Machamps.

You're getting awfully upset over others discussing the article. Not all discussion will be "Good job on front page!" when the list has obvious flaws. Whether or not it's YOUR list, You have made the comments as to why YOU run it this way (2-1 dialga, only 2 collector, etc). People are simply discussing why these aren't good practices for this deck. You obviously haven't done that well with it according to the article itself. Missing cuts (3 losses at an event) and whatnot don't really look good when trying to support your argument.

Instead of being so defensive, why not take the advice. There are players who "made" this deck what it is and I guarantee you they weren't as stubborn as you've been in this thread about the list. I also would be willing to bet they all played a FULL Dialga G line.

Talk to Kettler (Cyrus) about DaChomp. He only destroyed every CC he played with it.
 
Austino said:
A "GENERAL" DialgaChomp list should have 3-1 dialga... It's like how a Machamp deck runs 3/1 machamp/machamp x

~It's the decks focus, why wouldn't you max it out, especially when the deck is completely oriented around T1 Deafen.
~The deck is even named after it.
~Toxitank is not enough to handle Machamp. Enough people have agreed and it's general consensus that without Unown G, you *have to* T1 Deafen AND spray each uxie (which they run 3-4 of). The turns you are attacking with toxitank are the turns the other player is dropping trainers and setting up Machamps.

You're getting awfully upset over others discussing the article. Not all discussion will be "Good job on front page!" when the list has obvious flaws. Whether or not it's YOUR list, You have made the comments as to why YOU run it this way (2-1 dialga, only 2 collector, etc). People are simply discussing why these aren't good practices for this deck. You obviously haven't done that well with it according to the article itself. Missing cuts (3 losses at an event) and whatnot don't really look good when trying to support your argument.

Instead of being so defensive, why not take the advice. There are players who "made" this deck what it is and I guarantee you they weren't as stubborn as you've been in this thread about the list. I also would be willing to bet they all played a FULL Dialga G line.

Talk to Kettler (Cyrus) about DaChomp. He only destroyed every CC he played with it.
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I see what you're saying. I don't see how you *have* to T1 Deafen, even if they blow up T1 and get 1-2 champs, the thing is, look at Machamp. The only guaranteed prize is Take Out, hurricane punch can deal 0 damage, or 120 damage. That's not consistent and you can't base an argument off it, unless you average it (60). Take out deals 0 to Toxicroak G, and Hurricane Punch is an average of 60, which is a 2HKO. Regardless or not whether randoms agree isn't enough to seal the deal. You can sack 2-3 prizes while setting up and sweep from there. I wouldn't waste 5 slots unless it's worth it, otherwise i'd throw in 1-1 Medicham SV and call it a day.

Sure it doesn't sound great that out of 5 tournaments I only top cut in 3, and at a larger tournament (states) I lost to an autoloss (blaziken isn't the factor as you can beat it and I did, but Infernape practically autowins the SP matchup, bringing up any benched Pokemon and one shotting it. The fact that I can't one shot Infernape back gives him another turn to setup as well. It's an autoloss. Gigas/Machamp was a loss off of a GAMESTATE ERROR due to a judge (no e-hate). My last loss was against luxchomp, I probably could have won but my mental state was far from there at the time, I was distracted and played like a chump, it happens to everyone. You live and learn, so I changed my list around and had much more success.

I am not trying to be defensive even if I come off this way, I will change the list this minute so maybe I wont get attacked lol, it's really no big deal; my list is different but I can provide another one. If I was to talk to anyone about DialgaChomp, it would be Pooka respectfully. I know who kettler is but he didn't play Dialga at regionals iirc or any larger tournaments, he opted for jumpluff? (idr). Regardless, Pooka did take T4 nats and won large events.
 
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