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does pokemon have the same problems as yugioh with cheating

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the_sniper said:
Most of what you "got out" is inaccurate- and just not true!! Almost everything you said actually.
Hope you feel better Tina, but to me lying is just as bad as cheating. But if you feel better than
more power to you.

Read my last post. THAT is what happened Tina. One of the most shady games I have ever seen !

Yeah, I did bring it up- because you DID try to cheat me. Period. Spin it any way you wish Tina, the
facts are what they are. No need to take it to pm Vince as I'm
done with this conversation. Nothing Tina says can change what happened :(
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why would I lie about this now, just telling you what actually happened.

I even apologized for the stray full flame.
Think what you want on that but I wasn't doing that on purpose.
sigh. I was so sad over that full flame during deck check. Couldn't find it.

Think what you wish but your 7 prize story thing doesn't make sense to me. Sorry.
I still think at anytime if there is 7 prizes accidentally or not it can be easily fixed.

Just a thought. As i recall when when prize penalty was done John you drew a prize right?
You fail to explain to me how this is possible in the first place, and the 7 prize thing just didn't happen, or shouldn't have happened anyway..

note~ 7 cards set up draw. 6 cards prizes, if I did cheat and had 7 prizes and put one in my hand.
7+1=8. and I only had 5 cards in my hand and 2 on the field.

As i recall I was accused of only seeing my prizes and they were shuffled in my deck and new prizes were set out and I got to keep my hand. [hand as stated above/ there was no reason for me to cheat]

I agree with John. Vince we will just let this die out. Like I said since this incident [actually the only incident] I have had never had a 61+/59- deck issue. It was totally my fault I lost a card.

ps John,
it's pretty shady if I did initially put out 7 prizes and no one said anything about it :/
according to you I looked at them but that would be after I put them out right?
I shouldn't have 7 prizes out at any time.
 
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The only cheating I ever see is at prereleases. Kids pull out cards they obtained from earlier prereleases and when they are building their decks, they slip them in. I've seen it happen so many times it's ridiculous. And it's not like there are even any extra prizes... it's cheating for nothing.

The only time I ever saw real cheating was at one of the STS's, but that was forever ago. I don't play much, but I don't really ever hear of any major cheating nowadays at big tournaments.

Today in Japanese class I saw someone out of the corner of my eye cheating. :( It happens a lot in college and high school. I think it's almost human nature sometimes.
 
I see people making mistakes by accident and some people playing cards incorrectly sometimes.

WPM: People cheat on tests at my high school all of the time (all of the dumb - druggie kids:nonono:)
At least I don't:lol:
 
yugioh duelist said:
ok today in the yugioh world was shonnen jump seattle and the defending sjc champ of tulsa from last week was caught stacking in the semi-finals and was dq'd and will probably be banned in the next few weeks does pokemon have the same problems,

ps: he was undefeated for 2 straight sjc events until this
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No not Adam Corn, I had my suspesions but I was hoping for the best.

The best way to prevent cheating is to have a zero tolerence policy.
 
homeofmew said:
why would I lie about this now, just telling you what actually happened.

I even apologized for the stray full flame.
Think what you want on that but I wasn't doing that on purpose.
sigh. I was so sad over that full flame during deck check. Couldn't find it.

Think what you wish but your 7 prize story thing doesn't make sense to me. Sorry.
I still think at anytime if there is 7 prizes accidentally or not it can be easily fixed.

Just a thought. As i recall when when prize penalty was done John you drew a prize right?
You fail to explain to me how this is possible in the first place, and the 7 prize thing just didn't happen, or shouldn't have happened anyway..

note~ 7 cards set up draw. 6 cards prizes, if I did cheat and had 7 prizes and put one in my hand.
7+1=8. and I only had 5 cards in my hand and 2 on the field.

As i recall I was accused of only seeing my prizes and they were shuffled in my deck and new prizes were set out and I got to keep my hand. [hand as stated above/ there was no reason for me to cheat]

I agree with John. Vince we will just let this die out. Like I said since this incident [actually the only incident] I have had never had a 61+/59- deck issue. It was totally my fault I lost a card.

ps John,
it's pretty shady if I did initially put out 7 prizes and no one said anything about it :/
according to you I looked at them but that would be after I put them out right?
I shouldn't have 7 prizes out at any time.
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You obv. don't have a clue about what happened- or just refuse to admit to what you did.

I will never forget what you did tina- spin it any way you want. You DID put out 7 prizes, then put
one in your hand. THAT is what you were punished for innitially.

And the more you deny what you did ( and carry on trying to get the last word) the more respect I
lose for you. Luckily , there isn't much left so do what you must.

But PLEASE stop lying!!


John
 
Brady1 said:
Prove it. I know some people who have been doing card game judging for 10+ years, and they run my events. I know they could identify a cheater if there was one. Also, everybody doesn't cut at the same place. Heck, I go from top 3 cards all the way down to the bottom one card, with everything in between.
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Um i know a lot of people that regulary cheat in premier events...
Also most people do cut in close to the same place usually, cutting the deck in not usually a conscious thing. I mean over the internet i can't prove anything like just like you couldn't prove that your judges could find them.

But, i'm wlling to bet that if i wanted to i could watch your playstyle for 2-3 games and be able to stack you if i wanted, because human behavior is never truely random. If you pay attention you can turn it into an RPS style game about where you cut and where i stack but thats about it
 
ApachePrime said:
I don't see much cheating in Pokemon. I see plenty of mistakes, and plenty of honest people making bad mistakes. It's unfortunate that some of those mistakes can be misconstrued as cheating, but either way some of those big mistakes need penalties.

It's unfortunate that some mistakes look like cheating, but the dishonest ruin it for the honest.
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Agreed. Definately a lot more mistakes than Yugioh, but Yugioh wins in the full-blown purposely cheating category.
 
Phazon Elite said:
If anything, I think the stereotype of the YuGiOh gamer was just proven.
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Ummm, you cannot prove a stereotype. The moment 1 person is an exception to it, it is no longer 100% true.

From American Heritage New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition

Stereotype:
A generalization, usually exaggerated or oversimplified and often offensive, that is used to describe or distinguish a group.

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zman22674 said:
Ummm, you cannot prove a stereotype. The moment 1 person is an exception to it, it is no longer 100% true.

From American Heritage New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition

Stereotype:
A generalization, usually exaggerated or oversimplified and often offensive, that is used to describe or distinguish a group.

Z
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I'm having a hard time effectively phrasing my argument the way I want while also not directly insulting YGO Duelist (it's not that I care, I just don't want my post deleted), so stay with me here.

Yes, I utilized a generalization, and I was 100% correct in doing so. The posts I quoted earlier are what I'd expect from the average d-d-d-duelist, and I have very low expectations from anyone who primarily plays YGO. Thereby, he proved the preconceived notions I had formed about him by acting like how I thought he would.

From my personal experience thus far, it almost seems as if every YGO player has the same lovable attitude as the puppet from the Saw movies or the zombies/vampires from I Am Legend (albeit on a much less homicidal scale). Naturally, I will share this observation with anyone who will listen.

But, egads, this thread is about whether or not Pokemon has as many problems with cheating as YGO does, not about the bad attitudes of most YGO-ers.

Oh, wait . . . . they're one and the same! Go figure.
 
Well, in the tournaments I run, the most of the players or very respectful and they don't cheat. The few that do sometimes get cocky or out of hand get warned by me immediately and they back off. Just because players in your area act a certain way does NOT mean all players act like that and that is what is offensive. I take great pride in my YGO players, just like Professors here take pride in their Pokemon players. I play both games and a few of my YGO players play both games, some of them even more games. I have met with players in Pokemon who cheat and have a bad attitude the same as I have in YGO, Magic, WoW, etc. However, I do not go on any forum and generalize all players of those games and say they all have bad attitudes or say I do not respect any of them. People in general should learn to be more respectful and tolerative of each other, regardless of what game they play, as well as age they are, gender they are, and race they are. These generalizations present the same bad attitudes you all say YGO players have. So, because I play YGO, those of you who say you have no respect for YGO players and they all have bad attitudes, you are saying you have no respect for me and my players and are saying we all have bad attitudes and THAT is what I find offensive. You don't even know me or them and to make the comment applying to ALL players is irresponsible and offensive.

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Mates,
People will cheat at whatever they can whenever they can...it's a fact of life. Is it cheating when someone else builds your deck for you?
 
I like where this thread went and its still semi interesting. I know many people in the Yu-Gi-Oh tournament scene and every time I hear their stories the better I feel about jumping ship pre Shonens. The shady shenanigans I hear about the pros from others albeit funny makes the game really unattractive. Apparently there are many ways to stack and just the other day I heard how you can use a scientific graphing calculator to cheat. It goes to how people always will find a way to cheat and especially in Yu-Gi-Oh. I'm not going to generalize all that games player but I'm going to say for the most part they make the gaming community look bad. I've judged too many events and met too many people to believe other wise.

After coming back to Pokemon, I really enjoy the crowd that plays it. I haven't seen any stunts pulled besides people just playing their cards wrong or being forgetful like trying to Claydol again or playing a 2nd supporter.
 
zman22674 said:
Well, in the tournaments I run, the most of the players or very respectful and they don't cheat. The few that do sometimes get cocky or out of hand get warned by me immediately and they back off. Just because players in your area act a certain way does NOT mean all players act like that and that is what is offensive. I take great pride in my YGO players, just like Professors here take pride in their Pokemon players. I play both games and a few of my YGO players play both games, some of them even more games. I have met with players in Pokemon who cheat and have a bad attitude the same as I have in YGO, Magic, WoW, etc. However, I do not go on any forum and generalize all players of those games and say they all have bad attitudes or say I do not respect any of them. People in general should learn to be more respectful and tolerative of each other, regardless of what game they play, as well as age they are, gender they are, and race they are. These generalizations present the same bad attitudes you all say YGO players have. So, because I play YGO, those of you who say you have no respect for YGO players and they all have bad attitudes, you are saying you have no respect for me and my players and are saying we all have bad attitudes and THAT is what I find offensive. You don't even know me or them and to make the comment applying to ALL players is irresponsible and offensive.

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I'm sorry if it seemed like I was saying that about EVERY YGOer. There are, of course, always exceptions to every stereotype. That doesn't mean that the stereotype shouldn't exist, though.

The YGO players you come in contact with might all be just as suave and sophisticated as James Bond and as innocent as Michael Cera (if I got his name right. I'm thinking of the boy from Juno), but that's not what I've run in to. When I think of the duelists I know, pictures of Steve-o and the fat kid from Superbad come to mind. Given our natural tendency to generalize, it is only natural that I think bad thoughts every time somebody says "YUGIOHHHH!"
 
Phazon Elite said:
I'm sorry if it seemed like I was saying that about EVERY YGOer. There are, of course, always exceptions to every stereotype. That doesn't mean that the stereotype shouldn't exist, though.

The YGO players you come in contact with might all be just as suave and sophisticated as James Bond and as innocent as Michael Cera (if I got his name right. I'm thinking of the boy from Juno), but that's not what I've run in to. When I think of the duelists I know, pictures of Steve-o and the fat kid from Superbad come to mind. Given our natural tendency to generalize, it is only natural that I think bad thoughts every time somebody says "YUGIOHHHH!"
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Absolutely that should mean that. Stereotyping is bad, no question about it. It is not just you Phazon who was stereotyping. I was addressing it as a whole. Stereotyping is wrong and offensive. This board should have no tolerance for it.

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