Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

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yoyofsho16 said:
Wait wait, first off, do you realize that if I am going second against you, I could Rare Candy into Kingdra and KO an Eevee on my first turn? And the fact that it is with Magmortar makes it worse, you have weakness!

Kingdra > Leafeon infinity fold.
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OK but majority of the time that wont happen. I wont have eevee as astarter,with all the Phoine/Pachi/Chatot and Im going to start with Eevee,even if I did,yea CFF,bring up a undamaged eevee,evolve,no retreat,u do 40,evolve Leafy X,attach attach,Leaf Guard now ure doin 20 a turn,and Im doing 60. Attach Attach to another Leafy,even setup a Mag to Ko your draw support in Claydol,of course bubble coat on it so I get another attack. Its not a auto win for you cuz U can Ko my starter.

Just because you have the possiblity o f doing that dosent mean Im going to lose or Im not going to play the deck.:lol:
 
I wonder how many people have actually tested Kingdra so far.
Funny about that Magnezone test: You used the Super Connectivity one, noted from your use of Gyro Ball. You do realize that card prolly won't hit for a LONG time, right?
So yeah, I tested Kingdra against a deck that was built to specifically counter it (Leafeon w teched Bastiodon), and I just ripped through some Eevees and Baltoys, then came Leafeon X using Leaf Guard...and then I Upstream'd for 160 damage. 3 turns later, there was already 12 energy in my discard again.

Thats the scary thing about Kingdra. A good list (Ergo, one running Alakazam) will get that energy in the discard soon enough.
 
True, the Super Connectivity Magnezone won't be around for a while, but I believe we will be getting the IFDS one in November. That can keep me content while I wait. Does the Leafeon with Bastiodon deck work very well? I can't imagine such a deck being very fast at all, and if it isn't fast, it isn't good for countering Kingdra. I believe that was the case in that match of yours there, judging by the fact that you were just hitting basics the whole time.
 
G-Dog4377 said:
True, the Super Connectivity Magnezone won't be around for a while, but I believe we will be getting the IFDS one in November. That can keep me content while I wait. Does the Leafeon with Bastiodon deck work very well? I can't imagine such a deck being very fast at all, and if it isn't fast, it isn't good for countering Kingdra. I believe that was the case in that match of yours there, judging by the fact that you were just hitting basics the whole time.
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I would imagine that Torteara Sceptile would beat kingdra very nicely, or maybe Leafeon Sceptile. I don't think Kingdra would have a very easy time against them.
 
Torterra and Sceptile is slightly (just SLIGHTLY) slower then most decks. My bet would be to tech the Mr.Mime in as a wall while you set up...then your doing pretty good
 
Danny B said:
Torterra and Sceptile is slightly (just SLIGHTLY) slower then most decks. My bet would be to tech the Mr.Mime in as a wall while you set up...then your doing pretty good
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lol, I can see it now. Mr.mime/Torterra/Sceptile AKA "Kingdra Killer" :lol:
 
Unless you have more than 1 mimes in play a simple warp point stops it and if I know you have one in play and it's just a wall I'll power up a kingdra wiht 3 energy and just kill the wall for a free prize. That is really easy because I only attach energy for a few turns.
 
I wouldnt tech anything to counter Kingdra,its just gonna be another deck,then when October/November rolls around,then people are gonna be like KIngdra who??
 
Funny about that Magnezone test: You used the Super Connectivity one, noted from your use of Gyro Ball. You do realize that card prolly won't hit for a LONG time, right?
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Everyones also assuming Magnetize is the worst Zone. Normal Magnezone is still very efficient due to free retreat. Nobody really cares we won't see Super Connectivity right away.
 
yugioh duelist said:
raichu lvx maybe dusknoir lvx we dont know yet maggy will be good but i see glaceon omastar being amazing
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maggy will die with kingdra and empo around.

That omastar deck you are talking about? Kingdra will run over it. Magnezone will laugh at it.

Sorry, but some decks just don't stand a chance.

If you've tested kingdra, you know what I mean.
 
Scipio said:
The problem with the current Magnezone is that its attack doesn't mash well with that of the LVX.
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It provides a late game offensive beast when you have 5 or more metals in play. It doesn't necessarily provide synergy with Magnezone Lv.X, but it does serve its own purpose.
 
Its more the finishing touch to Cyber Shock since mostly everything after 80 damage will crumple to an additional 70-80 without paralysis. Even 60 vanilla can take care of mostly everything afterwards.

And if not high HP, Metal Blast can take care of anything low without wasting the Paralysis.

Magnetize in itself is one of the reasons this deck is being thought up because you can xfer energy anywhere then get it out of the fray, then transfer that energy to the new attacker, without it, I don't think this deck will be nearly as efficient nor mobile.
 
Magnezone's main problem will be a simple question of "how do I run my energy as efficient as possible for both the regular Magnezone and the LVX?". That is the main clincher. Running Special Metal? Multi's? How much Lightning? Electivire? How many LVX's? Backup attackers? Togekiss? Rotom? Pachirisu? Phione? Call Energy?

It will be hard to find a truly well-tuned Magnezone that can actually be very consistent. Also, if Magnezone indeed does beat out Kingdra (Which I kind of doubt, but truth to be told its a matchup I havent really tested yet), then a surge of Fire isn't unlikely, causing Zone use to drop, Kingdra rise again...which can make for an interesting format.

Another problem Magnezone might have will be relying on either:
A - The LVX
B - A fully tanked Magnezone

In both cases, AMU can suddenly shut down Magnezone with God Blast. Azelf will be spreading counters like no tomorrow. While AMU isn't a deck I fear personally, it is something Magnezone should fear, despite its resistance. 200 damage WILL wipe out even the toughest pimped LVX. Losing out all your special Metal energy isn't fun either.
 
NO Multis in Magnezone, All it needs is Lightning and Metal. Special metals also. Rotom to get metals back or even a Nice attacker in Blissey since Magnezone gives it free retreat. Vire can handle Kingdra,no matter how slow people say it is,Blissey in Magnezone gives it enough time to setup and go to work.

Magmortar not being good next season is not very accurate, Empoleon was in the field at Nationals but Maglutions did well,people arent going to play it by itself,its gonna be with a line that can counter its weakness and improve its matchups against water.
 
Scipio said:
Magnezone's main problem will be a simple question of "how do I run my energy as efficient as possible for both the regular Magnezone and the LVX?". That is the main clincher. Running Special Metal? Multi's? How much Lightning? Electivire? How many LVX's? Backup attackers? Togekiss? Rotom? Pachirisu? Phione? Call Energy?

It will be hard to find a truly well-tuned Magnezone that can actually be very consistent. Also, if Magnezone indeed does beat out Kingdra (Which I kind of doubt, but truth to be told its a matchup I havent really tested yet), then a surge of Fire isn't unlikely, causing Zone use to drop, Kingdra rise again...which can make for an interesting format.

Another problem Magnezone might have will be relying on either:
A - The LVX
B - A fully tanked Magnezone

In both cases, AMU can suddenly shut down Magnezone with God Blast. Azelf will be spreading counters like no tomorrow. While AMU isn't a deck I fear personally, it is something Magnezone should fear, despite its resistance. 200 damage WILL wipe out even the toughest pimped LVX. Losing out all your special Metal energy isn't fun either.
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All the issues Magnezone can have will all be dealt with in the deckbuilding process. In fact, those are questions I asked myself and am still trying to answer. Everyone will have their own way of doing it, with the different starters and backup attackers available. Magnezone can efficiently work with many metal and lightning pokémon due to its mobility. It is indeed difficult to build the deck for consistency and speed, but we have time. Besides, what's to say the same problems won't arise for Kingdra players? Not everyone is a master deck builder. I wouldn't say I am either, but I have what I think is a very good list here that is consistent. As for the AMU matchup, you make very good points. The problem the fairies may have is their low HP. There are things you can do about, but with enough metals on the field, I can Metal Blast through them on on hit. I wouldn't even need to rely on the Lv.X if I can get rid of the Mesprit with that.
 
honchkrow/weavile/darkrai anyone. u got the nrgy exeleraton, and the strength. it's also fun to see your opponents trump get ko'ed by a murkrow. all u do is laugh. gliscor/lucario might be a good choice too.
 
Green Growth

Tangrowth IFDS
Sceppy with wild growth

Starter: any of Pachi/Sableye IFDS/Phione/Chatot

Claydol

Tech in the energy trans sceppy from IFDS and the GE tangrowth and a 1-1 shaymin lvl.x and you have a new archetype that has resistance to empo/kingdra/glaceon.
 
Magnezone(Super Conductivity/DP/Search)/Steelix IFDS/Raichu Lv.X

Starter/Support: Diagla/Jirachi/Sableye/Claydol/Phoine/Chatot

Techs: Registeel/Rayquaza LA

Accel energy with Magnezone/Free retreat/Search for Raichu/Steelix,Steelix spread to all,Raichu to snipe twice. Diagla to recycle. Jirachi/Sableye/Phoine as either starter,Claydol to draw,Rayquaza to accel and OHKO anything. Already tested it and I you have so many options.
 
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