Ex-ped On format, not highly received

[Jim Ferrell]

I wholeheartedly agree with Colin and Nike.

The game changes. People complained when the game shifted from Unlimited (Base up to Rocket), the people complained when the format changed again to Rocket to Genesis. Then people complained again when the format changed from Genesis to eventually Skyridge. Now people are complaining about Expedition to the current upcoming Dragons set.

The game is about change. You wanna see how good you are? ADAPT and LEARN the new format and build your skill. What do you think Sealed, Draft, or Rochester is? (Kinda)

I agree with Nike about how a lot more decks can be played. How fun is six of the Top Eight decks either Riptide Feraligatr or Crobat? With the other two being random Typhlosion or other decks? Sound familiar? It was the STSes, folks. How fun is it to either play the big decks or a counter to them? I know about countering the big decks, all I have ever done in my career is metagame.

This format is a nice refreshing change. Did the game slow down? Yes it did. Does that make it bad? No it doesn't. The most important aspect of this game now is Energy. You can have all the speed or Pokemon you want, but you sit there powerless if you stall out of energy.

Am I guilty of complaining in the past? Yes I am. But just trade, learn, play, and support the game. Case closed. Just grow with the game instead of growing opposed to it.

~Gymbo

 

[jdb728]

Ok I guess i'll add my input.

I have been playing in about 2 Eon tourneys each week(in real life). I didn't really enjoy it at the beginning because I didn't have many cards, and I still dont have a lot of cards. But you can trade for them, I've been trading online for a while and I get the cards that I need usually within a week. Also the prizes for tourneys here are packs and you get a pack automatically for entering. So I get more cards each tourney. So I don't really see that as being an issue.

Well, I guess ya gotta consider that, yeah, you get a pack for entering, but one problem(that I don't really think is too much of a factor, but I can see where this argument is coming from) is that you've gotta get alot of cards for EON(This would most likely include havin' to buy packs) for the super beefy cards that other people won't want to trade(If you want a deck that can win), and then you have to spend the money to get into the tourney, and then you get A pack that MIGHT have something decent. (Once again, I don't believe this is really a big problem, but I understand the argument).

Nintendo needed change, obviously they want to get newer players. So they can't have cards from sets as old as Neo Genesis, I haven't seen Neo Genesis sold in stores(except relativly large card stores) for a year or so. I also got tired of seeing Gatr, SMF, and Cargo played. There was little diversity in NeoOn. Currently I like this format but i dont think it is the best. IMO the best format was the format at the last Worlds. That was very diverse except for a lot of Kingdra and Slowking. But it was a VERY fun format to play. This format has main decks, true. But those decks all have major weaknesses, so rogue stuff can do VERY well also. I have only seen very similar deck versions of Gardevoir, but I have seen A LOT of DIFFERENT versions of Sceptile. And I have seen few Blaziken decks so I'm not gonna comment on that. I've played different decks for the past 2 monthes at local tourneys(i've changed decks every week) and they all do well.

Um, just a little FYI(no offense or sarcasm intended), the format at Worlds was NEON.
Ok,now, I don't think anyone's disputing that Nintendo needed change, I think the main thing is that the main format for EVERY big tourney alienates the older players more and more each time it rotates, it would be nice if we could get a few big tourneys where the main format is Unlimited(NOT ALL big Tourneys, but a few every now and then would be nice).
Also, Eon is very diverse*cough* Gardevoir EX *cough*(IMO of course), since you kinda know somethin's wrong when a card gets the nickname "Godevoir EX".

I dont understand why you are calling the format slow. Because of the loss of Elm and Bill? Maybe the format did slow down a little. But it didn't slow down JUST for YOU, it slowed down for everyone. The format isn't really that slow even. Please don't try to argue with me, cause I know that I am right. I've played more games IRL for Eon then probably most people here so I know how it works. If you say you don't have the cards, how would newer players feel if it was the Neon format? They would feel the same way, you are being very selfish about this. Nintendo is trying to attract newer players not just keep older players.

I don't think anyone was saying that "the game slowed down just for me", I think the main problem is that alot of people(including myself) don't like to play when the only good search is Linoone(which you have to get via a really weak Basic), and there is no really good draw power.
Yes, Nintendo is trying to get newer players, the only problem is, what good is getting 5 newer players, if you lose 6 or 7 older players(who have shown they won't just drop the game as soon as the new fad comes along) in the process?

I wholeheartedly agree with Colin and Nike.

The game changes. People complained when the game shifted from Unlimited (Base up to Rocket), the people complained when the format changed again to Rocket to Genesis. Then people complained again when the format changed from Genesis to eventually Skyridge. Now people are complaining about Expedition to the current upcoming Dragons set.

I always thought Unlimited always allowed all sets that had been released in the US.
Anyway, there'll always be the complainers who always have to complain about somethin', and then you have the people who are called "complainers", but accually have a legitemate case(whcich I believe is the case here, IMO).

The game is about change. You wanna see how good you are? ADAPT and LEARN the new format and build your skill. What do you think Sealed, Draft, or Rochester is? (Kinda)

I agree with Nike about how a lot more decks can be played. How fun is six of the Top Eight decks either Riptide Feraligatr or Crobat? With the other two being random Typhlosion or other decks? Sound familiar? It was the STSes, folks. How fun is it to either play the big decks or a counter to them? I know about countering the big decks, all I have ever done in my career is metagame.

At least in older Modified, there were ussually 2 or 3 different decks consistantly in top8, how long do you think that'll last with a card in format already called "Godevoir EX" because of how insanely broken it is?

This format is a nice refreshing change. Did the game slow down? Yes it did. Does that make it bad? No it doesn't. The most important aspect of this game now is Energy. You can have all the speed or Pokemon you want, but you sit there powerless if you stall out of energy.

it doesn't make the game "bad", but it does make it kinda boring, and focused a lot less on skill, and a lot more on topdecking.

Am I guilty of complaining in the past? Yes I am. But just trade, learn, play, and support the game. Case closed. Just grow with the game instead of growing opposed to it.

~Gymbo

That's nice, as soon as you're done making your points, you say "Case closed".
I'm sure many would love to grow with the game, but ONLY using the one format that alienates the older players(who don't have their parents buy them everything they want, or have a well payin' job) for EVERY big tourney isn't really the best way to incourage people "growing with the game".

All of this post has been IMO of course, if someone thinks I messed up on something, please feel free to say so. Thanks for reading.

 

[sneaselsrevenge]

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Well, I guess ya gotta consider that, yeah, you get a pack for entering, but one problem(that I don't really think is too much of a factor, but I can see where this argument is coming from) is that you've gotta get alot of cards for EON(This would most likely include havin' to buy packs) for the super beefy cards that other people won't want to trade(If you want a deck that can win), and then you have to spend the money to get into the tourney, and then you get A pack that MIGHT have something decent. (Once again, I don't believe this is really a big problem, but I understand the argument).
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Didn't you buy packs in the old format? What's so different now? And what you don't get in packs, you can get in trade. Take a look in the trade part of this site. There are alot of people with plenty of spare good cards waiting to trade.

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I think the main thing is that the main format for EVERY big tourney alienates the older players more and more each time it rotates, it would be nice if we could get a few big tourneys where the main format is Unlimited(NOT ALL big Tourneys, but a few every now and then would be nice).
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Sure an unlimited tournament every now and then would be cool, but not as a Premiere event. "League Leaders" can have unlimited tournaments sanctioned if they choose.

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I don't think anyone was saying that "the game slowed down just for me", I think the main problem is that alot of people(including myself) don't like to play when the only good search is Linoone(which you have to get via a really weak Basic), and there is no really good draw power.
Yes, Nintendo is trying to get newer players, the only problem is, what good is getting 5 newer players, if you lose 6 or 7 older players(who have shown they won't just drop the game as soon as the new fad comes along) in the process?
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I'm so tired of hearing there's no good drawing. If you dont like it, go play another tcg and see how much draw there is. If you leave because the format changes, then you probably dont really care about the game anyway.

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At least in older Modified, there were ussually 2 or 3 different decks consistantly in top8, how long do you think that'll last with a card in format already called "Godevoir EX" because of how insanely broken it is?
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Yes "Godevoir" is good, but it can be beaten. My Gardevoir/EX still gets beaten by Slaking and the occasional rogue deck. And with the double weakness of Gardy EX, its not as strong as people think with Kecleon and Shiftry/Espeon decks getting played more. It's still not as one sided as the original modified Gtr decks running rampant.

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it doesn't make the game "bad", but it does make it kinda boring, and focused a lot less on skill, and a lot more on topdecking
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Actually, its more fun because the games are closer. And because you do have to topdeck more, there's MORE strategy, not less. You have to think more about how and when to use your trainers.

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That's nice, as soon as you're done making your points, you say "Case closed".
I'm sure many would love to grow with the game, but ONLY using the one format that alienates the older players(who don't have their parents buy them everything they want, or have a well payin' job) for EVERY big tourney isn't really the best way to incourage people "growing with the game".
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I'm probably the poorest person on this board. And among my thousands of cards sitting in boxes, my parents bought none of the for me. And I still have enough new cards for 2 tournament quality decks. All you have to do is be willing to try.

 

[NoTime4LoveDrJ]

I'm so tired of hearing there's no good drawing. If you dont like it, go play another tcg and see how much draw there is. If you leave because the format changes, then you probably dont really care about the game anyway.

I'll be the first to admit that I place no value in my life on a card game, sorry. That's taking "THE GAME" a bit too seriously, wouldn't you say?

Also, I love the comparisons to other card games. The difference is being provided with something, and then having it taken away. A drug addict is gonna suffer a lot more than someone who's got nothing to do with them, once they're taken away. Suddenly, legions of Pokemon players are jonesing for their Bill fix.

Just simmer down a bit, honestly. I'm not going to complain about it. I've stated my opinion on the matter, and since I don't like Modified, I choose not to play it.

 

[sneaselsrevenge]

I'll be the first to admit that I place no value in my life on a card game, sorry. That's taking "THE GAME" a bit too seriously, wouldn't you say?

Also, I love the comparisons to other card games. The difference is being provided with something, and then having it taken away. A drug addict is gonna suffer a lot more than someone who's got nothing to do with them, once they're taken away. Suddenly, legions of Pokemon players are jonesing for their Bill fix.

Just simmer down a bit, honestly. I'm not going to complain about it. I've stated my opinion on the matter, and since I don't like Modified, I choose not to play it.

First off, if you're comparing yourself to a drug addict over a few cards, then you're the one who needs to simmer down. I was posting my opinion. And actually, you have MORE draw in E-on than NEON.

Elm = Birch
Bill = Oak's Research
Cleffa = Delcatty, Linoone, Solrock, Lunatone
Time Capsule = Town Volunteers
Then you still have Pokenav, Copycat, Masterball, Elm's Traiing Method, ect,; you just have to play them more strategically.

 

[swanton1717]

Well, I guess ya gotta consider that, yeah, you get a pack for entering, but one problem(that I don't really think is too much of a factor, but I can see where this argument is coming from) is that you've gotta get alot of cards for EON(This would most likely include havin' to buy packs) for the super beefy cards that other people won't want to trade(If you want a deck that can win), and then you have to spend the money to get into the tourney, and then you get A pack that MIGHT have something decent. (Once again, I don't believe this is really a big problem, but I understand the argument).

Well you get more packs the better you do, and we have been giving away older packs from Expedition to get the Oak's Research and other good cards there. And we are starting to have divisions for the newer/younger kids, so they dont get clobbered by the older players. And $3 is not a lot. You get to mengle with people that you can trade with, you get to play the game, get a pack, and maybe more if you place well.

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Nintendo needed change, obviously they want to get newer players. So they can't have cards from sets as old as Neo Genesis, I haven't seen Neo Genesis sold in stores(except relativly large card stores) for a year or so. I also got tired of seeing Gatr, SMF, and Cargo played. There was little diversity in NeoOn. Currently I like this format but i dont think it is the best. IMO the best format was the format at the last Worlds. That was very diverse except for a lot of Kingdra and Slowking. But it was a VERY fun format to play. This format has main decks, true. But those decks all have major weaknesses, so rogue stuff can do VERY well also. I have only seen very similar deck versions of Gardevoir, but I have seen A LOT of DIFFERENT versions of Sceptile. And I have seen few Blaziken decks so I'm not gonna comment on that. I've played different decks for the past 2 monthes at local tourneys(i've changed decks every week) and they all do well.
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Um, just a little FYI(no offense or sarcasm intended), the format at Worlds was NEON.
Ok,now, I don't think anyone's disputing that Nintendo needed change, I think the main thing is that the main format for EVERY big tourney alienates the older players more and more each time it rotates, it would be nice if we could get a few big tourneys where the main format is Unlimited(NOT ALL big Tourneys, but a few every now and then would be nice).
Also, Eon is very diverse*cough* Gardevoir EX *cough*(IMO of course), since you kinda know somethin's wrong when a card gets the nickname "Godevoir EX".

The format for Worlds was Neo-LC, very different then Neo-SK. How many tourneys have you played in where Gardevoir Ex won the tourney btw?

Yes, Nintendo is trying to get newer players, the only problem is, what good is getting 5 newer players, if you lose 6 or 7 older players(who have shown they won't just drop the game as soon as the new fad comes along) in the process?

That certainly isn't the case here, no players have dropped, we are only getting newer ones. Have you seen that actually happen at your League recentally?

At least in older Modified, there were ussually 2 or 3 different decks consistantly in top8, how long do you think that'll last with a card in format already called "Godevoir EX" because of how insanely broken it is?

Ok the whole Godevoir thing was a joke, because it is a good deck. There are lots of good decks in this format, and many of them can beat Gardevoir. Blaz****n/Eggs, Cradily, Aggron Ex, etc. And haven't you seen the anti gardevoir decks being posted. I've seen at least 3 on this board. I've played the deck and it isn't as broken as you may think.



This is not directed to anyone but I think it is dumb of people to post things about decks that they haven't played. Do not give false information about something you have no information about.

~Colin

 

[NoTime4LoveDrJ]

First off, if you're comparing yourself to a drug addict over a few cards, then you're the one who needs to simmer down.

A few cards? You need to show some respect for THE GAME, sir!

I take it you've no experience in dealing with comparisons? It was to illustrate a point. If you have something and it goes away, you will be worse off than someone who never had it in the first place, since they didn't know what it was like to have it, and thus they would not care.

 

[yoshi1001]

But having is not so pleasing as wanting.

Anyway, I've noticed that people tend to overplay how powerful something is. I've seen it in all formats (that's not to say anything in a given format isn't too powerful-just that the power is usually overstated).

 

[sneaselsrevenge]

A few cards? You need to show some respect for THE GAME, sir!

I take it you've no experience in dealing with comparisons? It was to illustrate a point. If you have something and it goes away, you will be worse off than someone who never had it in the first place, since they didn't know what it was like to have it, and thus they would not care.

I have the upmost respect fo the game. I've also played the game since before there was ever OP, so I know about not being able to use the old cards anymore. I've got 3 boxes of old card collecting dust. But I also realize that for the game to thrive and survive, change has to occur. And if that means filtering out old sets, then we should embrace that. And as I've said twice already, Magic does the same thing WITHOUT COMPLAINING!! All this constant complaining does is make Pokemon players look immature in the tcg community.

 

[NoTime4LoveDrJ]

All this constant complaining does is make Pokemon players look immature in the tcg community. And Kettle, you're black.

Nobody's complaining. There's a difference between stating you don't like a format, and then saying you'll stop playing because of it.

Of course it's easy to grasp what they were trying to do, with every trainer that does anything good being a supporter... Limiting the number of trainers. Unfortunately, you have a handful of trainers left that are non supporters.

"Potion can win you games"? I remember this rationale coupled with stating that Full Heal was an awesome card, right about, oh, I dunno, when the game first came out? Energy Switch, Pokemon Reversal, what are you thinking? The only trainer that's not a supporter that is also good is Switch, a card that's been with us forever. Now we're getting statements like that, "PotIon Ruelz~`!1!!1" because there's nothing left.

 

[Jeremy Badeaux]

I have the upmost respect fo the game. I've also played the game since before there was ever OP, so I know about not being able to use the old cards anymore. I've got 3 boxes of old card collecting dust. But I also realize that for the game to thrive and survive, change has to occur. And if that means filtering out old sets, then we should embrace that. And as I've said twice already, Magic does the same thing WITHOUT COMPLAINING!! All this constant complaining does is make Pokemon players look immature in the tcg community.

You obviously do not have the utmost respect for the game.
You think that it's something people should embrace when POP changes the format(and thusly the game as a whole), so heavily changed that it is no longer the same game that we came to know and love(nobody fell in love with basically only playing one trainer a turn, or using holofoils/uncommons with incredibily weak basics as the best speed in the format, or building their deck to the best of their abilities, and proceed to have every single game based on who topdecks the cards they need first).

Two things I feel I need to point out:

1.MTG players don't complain when the format changes for a couple of reasons:
A.They reprint cards often enough so it doesn't get to the point that people barely have any enchantments or counterspells in their deck.
B.They understand that the money they invest into the game, gets the huge cash prizes they love so much.

2.You played before OP(including the mall tour?) started up(right around jungle)... SO WHAT?
Are we to accept something you tell us as truth, just because you played the game longer?

I started playing about a day or two after jungle came out, and I can tell you, it DOESN'T MEAN A THING when it comes down to who is right or who is wrong, about every active person on these boards was playing back when MF made it debut(and when 15+ got the boot from OP), for that matter, a lot of us played the game during(and before) Prop 15/3.

The flaw in your strategy is that people(aside from ripping off little kids) who you trade with are going to want an equal trade, and that means that you're probably going to give up something you need just as much as what you're trading for in the first place.
There is also the fact that for the most part, you are taking a serious leap of faith by trading with somebody online(being as you've probably never met that person before).

The league I go to has been getting more players(same league as JDB728), but we don't play e-on, because a lot of players wouldn't even have half the cards they would need, just to stand a chance in the format.

E-on is a good format in theory, however, nomatter how stable the theory may seem, there is almost always a valid counter to any theory.

 

[GymLeaderPhil]

Everytime Formats are changed, players complain. It's a well documented theory that some Pokemon Players cannot adapt to new situations. Okay, well I made up the well documented theory junk, but this is a common situation (ask me about my Rochester experience later).

The Pokemon TCG is always changing depending on Profitability and Customer Approval. What is good for the company obiously comes first, since money is needed to further support the game. Rotating older sets out of Modified makes players purchase current products that make Pokemon USA and Nintendo money. Newer players are not discouraged from their lack of older cards, as is common in Unlimited play. In addition, certain cards that were too splashable (Genesis Sneasel) are removed from the format to encourage a variety of deck ideas.

If you dont like playing Modified and will not play it, forget entering a constructed premiere event in the future, like City Championships, State, Nationals, Worlds, etc. These events are given to players who continue to purchase product, another great way Modified weeds out older players who no longer support the game. How else do you think funding is given towards organized play?

Of course you can always enter an unlimited tournament or play unlimited decks at a local league. You'll just never be playing at any premiere events unless a sealed format is in effect. So far only the Prereleases have those.

If you are complaining about not having the hot cards in Modified right now... still attend Modified tournaments with whatever legal deck you have. Do not play to win, play to have FUN!

All we need now is Pokemaster on here... then I'll have to bust out my satirical rebuttal.
-Phil

 

[SwampertEX]

What about that Rochester experience Phil...

 

[gdudefla]

You might be interested to know that we just ran an UNLIMITED tournamnet in South Florida with 46 people from all ends of the state.
We also had the FIRST ever Team Battle Unlimited Competition. Not only sanctioned, but encouraged by Nintendo !
We will have at least five more of these around the state in the next 10 months, in addition to running modified formats for those who want to attempt the newest rules.
In short, when properly planned by the TO's, and with corporate support, BOTH formats can not only survive, but keep the game interesting for all !

 

[SwampertEX]

I ran an UNLIMITED tourney at my league (Winter Haven, FL) and nobody was interested, except me and this other guy. I ran the league and it ended after 1 round! I got 2 winner promos out of it though...

 

[sneaselsrevenge]

You obviously do not have the utmost respect for the game.
You think that it's something people should embrace when POP changes the format(and thusly the game as a whole), so heavily changed that it is no longer the same game that we came to know and love(nobody fell in love with basically only playing one trainer a turn, or using holofoils/uncommons with incredibily weak basics as the best speed in the format, or building their deck to the best of their abilities, and proceed to have every single game based on who topdecks the cards they need first).

Two things I feel I need to point out:

1.MTG players don't complain when the format changes for a couple of reasons:
A.They reprint cards often enough so it doesn't get to the point that people barely have any enchantments or counterspells in their deck.
B.They understand that the money they invest into the game, gets the huge cash prizes they love so much.

2.You played before OP(including the mall tour?) started up(right around jungle)... SO WHAT?
Are we to accept something you tell us as truth, just because you played the game longer?

I started playing about a day or two after jungle came out, and I can tell you, it DOESN'T MEAN A THING when it comes down to who is right or who is wrong, about every active person on these boards was playing back when MF made it debut(and when 15+ got the boot from OP), for that matter, a lot of us played the game during(and before) Prop 15/3.

The flaw in your strategy is that people(aside from ripping off little kids) who you trade with are going to want an equal trade, and that means that you're probably going to give up something you need just as much as what you're trading for in the first place.
There is also the fact that for the most part, you are taking a serious leap of faith by trading with somebody online(being as you've probably never met that person before).

The league I go to has been getting more players(same league as JDB728), but we don't play e-on, because a lot of players wouldn't even have half the cards they would need, just to stand a chance in the format.

E-on is a good format in theory, however, nomatter how stable the theory may seem, there is almost always a valid counter to any theory.

How is rotating sets changing the game as a whole? You lose a dew sets each time, and 90% of those cards saw no play anyway.

And your arguement about playing 1 trainer a turn is absurd. Alot of deck staplesotion, pokenav, oran berry aren't supporters. Besides, the name of the game is Pokemon, not Trainermon. And what do you mean by incredibly weak basics? The hp may not be as high as in other sets, but in most cases, the attacks make up for it. And in any case, everyone has to use the same sets. So, everyone uses basics as "weak" as yours.

Now for your arguments about M:tg. The money for tournament in Pokemon is used for those cards given as prizes, and who know whats planned for the future. And Pokemon doesn't need to reprint cards, because if you wait long enough they'll improve on it. It took awhile, but isnt rare candy much better than Breeder?

Yes, people are going to want equal trade for the cards. But that's why you buy packs, partly so you have extra cards to trade for what you need.

 

[Jeremy Badeaux]

How is rotating sets changing the game as a whole? You lose a dew sets each time, and 90% of those cards saw no play anyway.

And your arguement about playing 1 trainer a turn is absurd. Alot of deck staplesotion, pokenav, oran berry aren't supporters. Besides, the name of the game is Pokemon, not Trainermon. And what do you mean by incredibly weak basics? The hp may not be as high as in other sets, but in most cases, the attacks make up for it. And in any case, everyone has to use the same sets. So, everyone uses basics as "weak" as yours.

Now for your arguments about M:tg. The money for tournament in Pokemon is used for those cards given as prizes, and who know whats planned for the future. And Pokemon doesn't need to reprint cards, because if you wait long enough they'll improve on it. It took awhile, but isnt rare candy much better than Breeder?

Yes, people are going to want equal trade for the cards. But that's why you buy packs, partly so you have extra cards to trade for what you need.

Yes, you buy packs to get extra cards to trade, but doesn't that imply a flaw in what was said before about people not having to buy packs, and "just trade for what you need"?
For that matter, if they are cards you don't want/have a need for, what makes you think other people will want them?

I don't think anybody in their right mind would dispute that product is infinitely cheaper to give away than cash(Just to clear things up, I'm not saying that anything is wrong with how things are now).

To say what has been said is to imply that people wouldn't buy the new cards if it weren't for E-on, and that is simply untrue(Anybody that has bothered to look at cards from the new sets would know that there are plenty of cards to warrant going after the cards for any format).

You state that the game hasn't changed, but then you go on to say,'Alot of deck staplesotion, pokenav, oran berry aren't supporters.', I think that's called contradicting yourself.
Anybody that says the game hasn't changed and continues by arguing that potion and oran berry are staples in the same breath isn't paying much attention(when some of the weakest trainers become staples, the game has changed).

 

[yoshi1001]

"For that matter, if they are cards you don't want/have a need for, what makes you think other people will want them?"

One man's trash is another man's treasure, and nowhere is that more true than Pokemon. Different people place different values on cards. Now, some cards are worthless to everyone, but quite a few have someone who wants them.

Change is not inherently good or bad, and it seems to me that some of you are angry because the game is changing rather than because of how it is changing. It 's somewhat indicitive of the culture we live in. We want the idea the strike us as good immediately, not be something we have to learn to like.

 

[davechri]

New modified format - hmmm...

I'm not overly crazy about the new format.

Do I dislike it? No, not really. I just don't like it as well as any of the previous formats.

One reason: supporters.

With the limitations on trainers, the game feels like it lacks the "depth" that was there in previous formats.

In earlier formats, the key was they synergy between the trainer engine and the Pokemon. Now, the focus is clearly on the Pokemon.

We're still playing and enjoying the game. We'll keep playing. But it's definitely different (and, in my opinion, less tactical) with the changes to the trainers in this latest modified.

 

[nikePK]

I'm not overly crazy about the new format.

Do I dislike it? No, not really. I just don't like it as well as any of the previous formats.

One reason: supporters.

With the limitations on trainers, the game feels like it lacks the "depth" that was there in previous formats.

In earlier formats, the key was they synergy between the trainer engine and the Pokemon. Now, the focus is clearly on the Pokemon.

We're still playing and enjoying the game. We'll keep playing. But it's definitely different (and, in my opinion, less tactical) with the changes to the trainers in this latest modified.

Look how many supporters we had before. We were all playing Copycat in Neon. We were all playing Fanclub in Neon. I can see your point on how supporters make the game less tactical, but they also make you make a decision on which one to play first. You can't just steamroll your trainer engine over your opponent in ONE turn. I think that's kinda neat.

About the synergy of pokemon/trainers. What? There still is synergy. Also, in neon 90% of the decks focused on getting their "big" hitter out to clean house. I don't see how this is much different. There is still synergy with cards like Mewtwo/Juggler, Blaziken/Catty/Juggler, Power Charge/Furret, Birch/Furret and more. I think the one thing that's gone is the whole "get one guy out and win" because Gold Berry is gone. On something different, someone said that it was unfortunate that GB and FB were gone. Personally, I'm SOOO glad Focus band is gone. I'm also glad that gold berry is gone.

K, off of that quote..

Gardevoir/Gardevoir ex is good deck. People nickname it Godevoir just cuz its good and because you can make the deck sound nifty by doing that... not because its God or anything. Plenty of stuff beats it, goes 50/50 with it. Sure, it beats a lot of stuff... but then again, so does EVERY GOOD deck in this format.

Oh, and Potion does rule. lol. Its not awesome or anything, but I play it, I like it, it works. Right, there isn't anything better... so that makes it good. If you can just friggin Forget that GOld berry once existed, you wouldn't look down so much on Oran and Potion...