Fun Pokemon poker tournament-Results from the world championships
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Professor Dav
Master Trainer
M_Liesik said:
Let me put in the last word on this subject.
Whether you like it or not, this activity is completely unacceptable from our standpoint, regardless of the legality issues. If you want to do something like this, do it in a private room, or not at all, and keep minors out of it. In addition, any advertisements that associate poker with Pokemon are completely unacceptable as well.
Any variance from this will lead to some very harsh penalties from POP, as well as a possible call from the Pokemon USA, Inc. legal council.
I'm not threatening here, and I'm not coming after anyone this time. Just trust me here, and take this word as law.
Period.
Prof. Dav
ToysRUsKid
Active Member
Glad I didn't play either 
Moss Factor
New Member
I'm pretty sure that gambling is legal as long as nobody is taking a cut from the pot (ie, making money by running the game). This is just in Michigan, and California laws may be different. You can play poker for money in little home games all you want (again, in MI), however if you start taking a cut to run the game, then its basically like running a casino and that is illegal.
Regardless of the legality, I fully agree with POP's stance on this, since the space was set aside for Pokemon play only. I'm glad I didn't play :smile:
Regardless of the legality, I fully agree with POP's stance on this, since the space was set aside for Pokemon play only. I'm glad I didn't play :smile:
FireFighter095ReBorn
New Member
I need to say this to finaly finish the topic of on the right foot:
First: I need to apoligize for my reply to lawnman earlier. It as completly out of line and innappropriate.
To POP; I am sorry i chose tio do this in the open area and dident advise the staff first to get approval. I did this as a fun tournmant away from worlds figuring well maybe it will be a fun idea with the popularity of poker. I never,ever,ever thought it would be fun to gamble.
All who know me from the 5 years ive been associated with pokemon know i would never try somnething like this if i knew it would get me arrested or even worst banned from pop.
I know fulop and the crew played cash games and i used this to steer away from money games and to bring out a lighter side of poker.
I talked to pop already and i will not do this again. This was a great tournament but a bad attempt in a pokemon area. I was irresponsible and wrong for even trying this. Thank you POP for showing me the error of my ways and i promise you will no longer see this type of event anywhere at huge pokemon conventions.
I just hope i dont get any enemies for my earlir comments and i can be on the up and up with all on teh boards
First: I need to apoligize for my reply to lawnman earlier. It as completly out of line and innappropriate.
To POP; I am sorry i chose tio do this in the open area and dident advise the staff first to get approval. I did this as a fun tournmant away from worlds figuring well maybe it will be a fun idea with the popularity of poker. I never,ever,ever thought it would be fun to gamble.
All who know me from the 5 years ive been associated with pokemon know i would never try somnething like this if i knew it would get me arrested or even worst banned from pop.
I know fulop and the crew played cash games and i used this to steer away from money games and to bring out a lighter side of poker.
I talked to pop already and i will not do this again. This was a great tournament but a bad attempt in a pokemon area. I was irresponsible and wrong for even trying this. Thank you POP for showing me the error of my ways and i promise you will no longer see this type of event anywhere at huge pokemon conventions.
I just hope i dont get any enemies for my earlir comments and i can be on the up and up with all on teh boards
mewsmom
New Member
I'm sorry but this has really been thrown way out of proportion. To say Gambling is wrong but yet to have such High participation on a game of skill & that a player GAMBLES at everytime they sit down at the table.
defination of Gamble-
To bet on an uncertain outcome, as of a contest.
To play a game of chance for stakes.
To take a risk in the hope of gaining an advantage or a benefit.
To engage in reckless or hazardous behavior: You are gambling with your health by continuing to smoke.
Thesaurus for Gamble- Noun- action, bet, chance, fling, leap, long shot, lottery, outside chance, punt, raffle, risk, spec, stab, toss up, uncertainty, venture, wager
Verb- back, bet, brave, cast lots, challenge, chance, dare, defy, endanger, face, game, get down, hazard, imperil, jeopardize, lot, play, plunge, put, risk, set, speculate, stake, tempt fortune, venture, wager
The examples in Bold are all situations I see a Pokemon player used in the same text. Every game you sit down to is a gamble of Risk of who is the winner. Competative games are played for a chance at the Prize Pot. So I guess we won't be holding door prize Raffles at Pokemon events any longer. The fun game of Poker for Pokemon card product as the fee was pure fun- there was no craziness involved that usually can be found around a cash pot.
So what do you consider Scholarship/Titles/Pokemon Product Rewards as? When playing in an event in hopes of Winning those Prizes you are Gambling at the Chance of Winning. To gamble is to take a chance in any type of game. Poker is another Card game of Skill & Chance just like Pokemon!!
My source for defination-
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=gamble
http://thesaurus.reference.com/search?q=gamble
I do agree location could have been a better choice- Since the area was for Open Pokemon play!!
ps- It was Mob2099 who came in 3rd in this Tourney :clap:
defination of Gamble-
To bet on an uncertain outcome, as of a contest.
To play a game of chance for stakes.
To take a risk in the hope of gaining an advantage or a benefit.
To engage in reckless or hazardous behavior: You are gambling with your health by continuing to smoke.
Thesaurus for Gamble- Noun- action, bet, chance, fling, leap, long shot, lottery, outside chance, punt, raffle, risk, spec, stab, toss up, uncertainty, venture, wager
Verb- back, bet, brave, cast lots, challenge, chance, dare, defy, endanger, face, game, get down, hazard, imperil, jeopardize, lot, play, plunge, put, risk, set, speculate, stake, tempt fortune, venture, wager
The examples in Bold are all situations I see a Pokemon player used in the same text. Every game you sit down to is a gamble of Risk of who is the winner. Competative games are played for a chance at the Prize Pot. So I guess we won't be holding door prize Raffles at Pokemon events any longer. The fun game of Poker for Pokemon card product as the fee was pure fun- there was no craziness involved that usually can be found around a cash pot.
So what do you consider Scholarship/Titles/Pokemon Product Rewards as? When playing in an event in hopes of Winning those Prizes you are Gambling at the Chance of Winning. To gamble is to take a chance in any type of game. Poker is another Card game of Skill & Chance just like Pokemon!!
My source for defination-
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=gamble
http://thesaurus.reference.com/search?q=gamble
I do agree location could have been a better choice- Since the area was for Open Pokemon play!!
ps- It was Mob2099 who came in 3rd in this Tourney :clap:
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Pokeplayer
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Prof Dave said:
Let me put in the last word on this subject.
Whether you like it or not, this activity is completely unacceptable from our standpoint, regardless of the legality issues. If you want to do something like this, do it in a private room, or not at all, and keep minors out of it. In addition, any advertisements that associate poker with Pokemon are completely unacceptable as well.
Any variance from this will lead to some very harsh penalties from POP, as well as a possible call from the Pokemon USA, Inc. legal council.
I'm not threatening here, and I'm not coming after anyone this time. Just trust me here, and take this word as law.
Period.
Prof. Dav
I agree with Prof . Dav....unfortunately,....some posted a World's Report which included gambling...
If you want PROOF of gambling,,,go here...
http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?t=23318
If the thread get's edited, I have copied the original...
Let me put in the last word on this subject.
Whether you like it or not, this activity is completely unacceptable from our standpoint, regardless of the legality issues. If you want to do something like this, do it in a private room, or not at all, and keep minors out of it. In addition, any advertisements that associate poker with Pokemon are completely unacceptable as well.
Any variance from this will lead to some very harsh penalties from POP, as well as a possible call from the Pokemon USA, Inc. legal council.
I'm not threatening here, and I'm not coming after anyone this time. Just trust me here, and take this word as law.
Period.
Prof. Dav
I agree with Prof . Dav....unfortunately,....some posted a World's Report which included gambling...
If you want PROOF of gambling,,,go here...
http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?t=23318
If the thread get's edited, I have copied the original...
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DukeFireBird
Gallery Administrator<br>Forum Moderator
Prof. Dave, not to cross what you have said, but as you know, im from Vegas, and a few of our players play poker. Now i read that you said no minors, but if a minor wanted to play (the game would be in a private area/room) and they knew the risks involved, can we say yes? I just want some clairification to what you have said, since at least 5 of our players under 21 do play poker for fun/money/cards. If you do say no, then I will relay this to my team ASAP
Joe: Either you edited out the reply post to me or else I dont really see anything wrong with your posts. Your apology (if needed) is readily accepted by me. I know Mike also accepted earlier. I 1st met you in Rockville MD at Eastern Reg's 2004 and saw you again in Greensboro NC and @ Worlds. Everyone who has ever met you know that you are one of the most dedicated pokemon players on the east coast. You have a good heart. We all make mistakes, trust me on that 1. The fact that you have taken responsibility here for your actions shows everyone esle that you are a good person. Move on from here, keep on rocking and playing!! Hope to see you at future events!
The other problem I had was in the other thread w/ a report on Worlds and the mention of tables were being flipped at 2-3 am in the open play area. This is wrong. That area was set up for pokemon playing, not poker, not table flipping contests etc. JMHO
Keith
The other problem I had was in the other thread w/ a report on Worlds and the mention of tables were being flipped at 2-3 am in the open play area. This is wrong. That area was set up for pokemon playing, not poker, not table flipping contests etc. JMHO
Keith
mewsmom said:
The legal system's definition of gambling is far more refined than the Webster's definition. For something to be gambling, 1) it has to be a game of luck (e.g. Poker, the lottery, slot machines, etc.), 2) there must be consideration in (e.g. an entry fee), and 3) there must be consideration out (e.g. the chance of winning more than anyone else). You must meet all three criteria for it to be considered gambling.
Joe's game met all 3 conditions of gambling.
1) They were playing Poker (a game of luck).
2) There was consideration in (4 pack buy in).
3) There was consideration out (the winner received the bulk of the booster pool).
TCGs/CCGs are considered games of skill. While there is a degree of luck, a skilled player will "always" build a better deck than an unskilled player.
There is a world of differnence between playing with the same 52 cards all the time, and having the ability to play with whichever cards you'd like.
Moss Factor
New Member
We probably could have a big arguement about whether or not Poker is a game of chance or a game of skill. It seems to me, however, that this debate is irrelevant. If PUI doesn't want people playing poker at official Pokemon venues, then who cares whether or not its gambling. They don't necessarily need any reason for their action, since its their venue, and they make the rules.
Personally I think that poker is gambling, however there is a high degree of skill involved. A game like roulette, craps, or slots would be more of a classic gambling game, in my opinion, considering the fact that there is no skill involved. You pick your number and your spin the ball/roll the dice/pull the lever. In poker there are countless decisions to be made which can increase or decrease your odds of winning. Just like in pokemon, the decisions you make from construction of the deck to in-game play will determine your odds of sucess.
In all card games, there is a degree of luck. The best player will not win every time. I suppose that's what makes it fun. Either way, poker isn't going to be played in a pokemon event anymore, or, at least not by people who have viewed this thread.
Personally I think that poker is gambling, however there is a high degree of skill involved. A game like roulette, craps, or slots would be more of a classic gambling game, in my opinion, considering the fact that there is no skill involved. You pick your number and your spin the ball/roll the dice/pull the lever. In poker there are countless decisions to be made which can increase or decrease your odds of winning. Just like in pokemon, the decisions you make from construction of the deck to in-game play will determine your odds of sucess.
In all card games, there is a degree of luck. The best player will not win every time. I suppose that's what makes it fun. Either way, poker isn't going to be played in a pokemon event anymore, or, at least not by people who have viewed this thread.