Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Here's a fun topic; CURSEgar

baby mario said:
Gengar will stall cheap attackers with Mime(s) and use the BTS to set up itself. It doesn't even mind going behind in Prizes as it can make up the ground once set up.

That's why it so so hard to beat . . . send up low Energy attackers and run into a Mime wall, send up something with 3 Energy and risk losing it to Fainting Spell.

Your best chance is to try and rip it apart early with speed and disruption, but the near-certainty of an early Gastly/Tomb Trainer Lock means that is easier said than done.
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Yeah because Gyarados players haven't teched ways around a Mr.Mime wall....

And trainer lock early doesn't hardly do anything to Gyarados. Any half-decent Gyarados player can play around it.
 
CurseGar is an extremely overrated deck. If it gets something other than a Spiritomb start, it's in trouble, as many decks right now (Donphan comes to mind) can almost invariably start hitting for 60+ T2. And with Regice really gaining popularity in many decks, Gyarados included, Spiritomb as an earlygame locking technique isn't all that solid.
 
I was speaking generally, not about Gyarados specifically.

But Gyarados has an effective tech against a double Mr Mime wall? I must admit, I haven't seen that.

I've played Gyarados many times with Cursegar, and I found it to be one of the deck's best match ups. Like all match ups though, it comes down to techs vs techs. Gyarados is popular here so there would be no point in playing a Cursegar list that couldn't handle it.

I don't think Cursegar is as good as it was pre-HGSS, but it's a solid deck with no real bad matchups.
 
Politoed666 said:
CurseGar is an extremely overrated deck. If it gets something other than a Spiritomb start, it's in trouble, as many decks right now (Donphan comes to mind) can almost invariably start hitting for 60+ T2. And with Regice really gaining popularity in many decks, Gyarados included, Spiritomb as an earlygame locking technique isn't all that solid.
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I've never seen a deck that uses regice except for Gyarados. I think the Cursegar Gyarados matchup contains a lot of luck and techs( double mimes or spiritombs). I think the matchup is in cursegars favor though.
 
Happiny13 said:
I've never seen a deck that uses regice except for Gyarados. I think the Cursegar Gyarados matchup contains a lot of luck and techs( double mimes or spiritombs). I think the matchup is in cursegars favor though.
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Not implying that any of these are smart choices for tournament play, but: Gigas, Shuppet Donk, Tyranitar (less common).

If the Gyara player runs Luxray/Reversals, it's doable. You can't have Mime AND Tomb active.
 
baby mario said:
But Gyarados has an effective tech against a double Mr Mime wall? I must admit, I haven't seen that.
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I've seen some gyrados tech DGX for the double mime wall. It's probably the best tech you have for it because, ulike luxray, DGX will never have to move and the mimes go down easy after that. It is harder to get into play though.
 
Level Down comes to mind... >_>;

Luxray GL Lv.X seems like the best tech against Gengar, as it takes sooooooo loong for Gengar to recover their Energy. By then, a secret tech will be giving me tons of prizes, and I could KO the Mimes FTW! ^_^ I just need to learn the matchup, and I'll be set. =D
 
Not to mention G-dos now has Blissey Prime to dump all the damage Gengar spreads. The main concern is dealing with the one Fainting Spell Gengar (w/ Poltergeist :nonono:)
 
lol, g-dos owns gengar if it runs palkia lvx, luxray lvx, or dialga g lvx. it is too fast, sableye just laughs at the trainer lock.
 
gallade said:
lol, g-dos owns gengar if it runs palkia lvx, luxray lvx, or dialga g lvx. it is too fast, sableye just laughs at the trainer lock.
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What?

Who runs Palkia in Gyarados? So bad.

Dialga? Once again, who plays Dialga in Gyarados.

Luxray can help a little yes. Doesn't turn the match up around though.

Sableye laughs at Trainer Lock? Sure use Sableye, Gengar is a slow deck at first. It helps not only you, but them. What do you do late game when Sableyes are coming at you? I don't think it will work for ever.

What if they bring out Mr. Mime? Does Sableye stop that?

Poltergiest, how about that? You play a ton of Trainers, and have to keep Rescues in hand.

Fainting Spell? What do you do about that?

Shadow Room? Are you going to slow down your set up to get Unown G out? Yes you have to.

The fact is Gengar is a hard match up for Gyarados.

Gyarados isn't that fast. It has to get stuff in discard. It takes a good 2-3 turns to set up.
 
2-3 turns to set up? thats slow? lets take a look at gengar. 3 turns at the VERY BEST! And no, palkia works, seeing as it counters almost anything people throw at it. mime, nope. spirit, nope. anything else? nope. gonna hide on your bench, nope. people play and have one good with dialga. same for luxray. if those cards beat everything you are talking about, they are not that bad, probably. (btw, are you ever going to let me down with that sig rating thing :lol:). people also use wagers because of shuppet, which can get annoying. and when you get your hand shuffled back, and your main attacker gets K.O'd, thats harsh.
 
gallade said:
2-3 turns to set up? thats slow? lets take a look at gengar. 3 turns at the VERY BEST! And no, palkia works, seeing as it counters almost anything people throw at it. mime, nope. spirit, nope. anything else? nope. gonna hide on your bench, nope. people play and have one good with dialga. same for luxray. if those cards beat everything you are talking about, they are not that bad, probably. (btw, are you ever going to let me down with that sig rating thing :lol:). people also use wagers because of shuppet, which can get annoying. and when you get your hand shuffled back, and your main attacker gets K.O'd, thats harsh.
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Think. You need 3 cards in the discard. Do you get turn 1 Gyarados with 3 Magikarp in discard every time then?

Yes, but with Trainer Lock and Mr. Mime you ALSO slow them down making them take a good 1-2 turns longer.

Ok they bring out Regice. Regice. Regice. Then what? SSU and your 1-2 Warp Points won't get you far. You play 0-1 Basic Energy in Gyarados, so you're screwed. If you play multiple cards like Warp and Switch then I really can't see where you get the room for these.

Dialga is slow to get out, and you have to get it out in a Trainer Lock.

Luxray is a fair point I know, but like I said. It doesn't make the match up swing into Gyarados;s favour. Just slightly.

This isn't to do with 'rate a sig' at all. I just reply to any posts I disagree with and have good points to. Sorry if it seems I'm just aiming it at you, but I honestly like to prove my point.

Yeah, Wager kills Gyarados which a lot of Gengar builds run. Wager you, then you draw 3 lets say, then you're put in a Tariner Lock. Even with 6 cards it's hard to come back from.
 
no, i dont care at all, i dont think your bashing me, i was just trying to lighten the argument. anyways, i dont play regice, my 1-2 turns of sableye set me up enough.
 
gallade said:
no, i dont care at all, i dont think your bashing me, i was just trying to lighten the argument. anyways, i dont play regice, my 1-2 turns of sableye set me up enough.
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Ok.

I always like Regice there. A searchable option which is always handy.

Also, Luxray kills Palkia bad.
 
Oh; once you play against that deck with Wager/Looker, you NEVER forget it. ;~;

Other than Dusknoir, is there anything PLOX can do against Gengar? XP /me feels like changing to a deck that doesn't lose to Gengar and is wondering if PLOX fits the job
 
I play Nidoqueen and Azelf Lv. X in mine for the CURSEgar match-up. It's still tough but much more winable. SF Gengar hurts though
 
The only way for Gyarados to get around F-Spell is use Uxie or Skuntank. Workable, but not easy. Luckily Cursegar uses one F-spell Gengar at most
 
Someone sugested that Mr. Mime walls Gyrados, well what if they do run Regice? That just lets them dump a pair of Karp and force a switch don't it? Least that's what the chick at my league does. >.<
 
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Play 2 Mime. I spoiled the fun, I guess >_<
 
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