HGSS Scans up in Gallery!

[Psychoflood]

So, you admit someone opened a box to send you those scans and not random packs at Wal-Mart, set out very early in YOUR area only?? O really???

Keith

Just to clear things up about how retailers like Wal-Mart and Target set their trading cards, the companies themselves do not set those areas of the store. An outside vendor comes into the store just to merchandise the trading cards/figures and what product is or is not displayed is the decision of the vendor themselves. For example, all of the cards (Pokemon, Yu-gi-oh!, Magic, World of Warcraft, etc.) come in the same box mixed together with a date written on them. The old vendor at my store used to put cards out early simply because he did not care about release dates, and he just wanted to empty out his boxes so that he didn't leave work to do next time (visits are always two weeks apart) he came to the store. Our new card vendor, however, does not follow as lazy a policy, and puts out only what he is supposed to put out for the week he comes in. With the new card vendor, I don't get sets until either the release date, or a little after the release date; whereas with the old vendor i was getting them before prereleases.

This explains why one area might have the cards early while another does not; the set date at large retailers is up to the vendors not the retailers themselves.

 

[P_A]

If that's the case then someone needs to get in touch with the distributors throughout the States and insist on uniform release dates.

 

[Psychoflood]

If that's the case then someone needs to get in touch with the distributors throughout the States and insist on uniform release dates.

I think the problem there becomes that some of the vendors don't do their job correctly and/or don't care enough about their job. Since they never have anybody come in and check up on them, as long as their product gets pushed and our store logs them coming in and leaving, they pretty much do as they please with the four-foot section. For example, nobody in my store could tell you how that section is supposed to be set up or what product is supposed to be there, it's not even in the list of blueprints or labels unlike every other section in the store. I'm sure they have uniform release dates posted or communicated to each vendor, but nobody makes sure they follow it. It's simply not as important to them as it is to us or to TPCi.

 

[Lawman]

Just to clear things up about how retailers like Wal-Mart and Target set their trading cards, the companies themselves do not set those areas of the store. An outside vendor comes into the store just to merchandise the trading cards/figures and what product is or is not displayed is the decision of the vendor themselves. For example, all of the cards (Pokemon, Yu-gi-oh!, Magic, World of Warcraft, etc.) come in the same box mixed together with a date written on them. The old vendor at my store used to put cards out early simply because he did not care about release dates, and he just wanted to empty out his boxes so that he didn't leave work to do next time (visits are always two weeks apart) he came to the store. Our new card vendor, however, does not follow as lazy a policy, and puts out only what he is supposed to put out for the week he comes in. With the new card vendor, I don't get sets until either the release date, or a little after the release date; whereas with the old vendor i was getting them before prereleases.

This explains why one area might have the cards early while another does not; the set date at large retailers is up to the vendors not the retailers themselves.

I know that the vendors set up the areas, not the Big Box employees. What I was getting at was WPM's lame excuse he gave awhile back that he got ALL his info from early set out packs. The packs dont contain the promo card or the sleeves. He used to get all that info early.

Keith

 

[ChaosJim]

I know that WPM wasn't supposed to have a lot of the info he usually has, but I don't understand why people give him heat for it.

I feel like people are MORE excited for pre-releases when there is something in particular they want to pull or trade for. People also get excited about the sleeves, not everyone, but its great to know that if your favorite Pokemon is going to be on sleeves to bring some extra stuff to trade for a pack of sleeves or 3.

 

[P_A]

I know that WPM wasn't supposed to have a lot of the info he usually has, but I don't understand why people give him heat for it.

Simple really. He gives out info before a release date which others are contractually bound to honor, and yet someone continues to leak to him. That affects attendance (both good and bad), and sales of product.

In the case of this particular set, he gave out info regarding the Alph Lithograph trainer - of which he shouldn't have had any knowledge, since it wasn't confirmed to be in the set by TPCi, in either the list available to the PTO's, nor in the product that was released early by the big box retailers. He certainly didn't have a scan of the card when he first posted scans, so that begs the question of his source for the info.

I know of players who mentioned that they wouldn't be at the prerelease since they saw the scans posted early and figured they wouldn't pull anything great, and the holos by and large weren't all that playable. So yeah, that affects the bottom line of the PTO's and the stores.

Hey say what you want, WPM does the players a great service, giving them info before they should be able to access it. However it's a very fine line to walk. Too much info released early can negatively impact a store, which may decide to stop carrying pokemon, or having prereleases. However a good set and it's info released early can build excitement for the set. If WPM weighed the consequences instead of giving it out just because "I can" perhaps things would be different.

Remember - the opinion expressed here is my own. I don't speak for either TPCi, or the gym. My opinion may or may not agree with the views and policies of either entity.

There was a time I even allowed WPM to know some info that I had - though I didn't give him scans. Less than a week later he let the whole world know that a mod on the gym was giving him info - more or less outting me, without even a thank you for the info, nor any respect for anyone else's feelings least of all mine, so perhaps you could say that I have less respect for him and his practice. However I don't wish him ill will. He has every right to post what he knows if he can back it up. I just wish he'd think of someone else besides himself. I find it morally reprehensible that he would out a person for giving him info, and not out the person who gives him scans. Actually, I'm surprised he hasn't by now.

That in a nutshell is why he gets so much heat for doing what he does.


Edit: And through all of that, we still seem to get the full set of scans up here on the gym before he does. I wonder why?

 

[Pajamas]

The wording may be different, but the meaning is the same.
The two cards are played identically.
You can use an old one without a reference.

Are you sure about that? Double-check your prerelease FAQ... it says that you cannot play Fisherman if you have fewer than four energy in the discard. To be fair, this is in conflict with WPM's translation of the Japanese FAQ, but that has no direct bearing on reality here. I'll be interested to see how it gets reconciled. In any case, since the latest official POP ruling contradicts the text on the Skyridge card, if I were running a tournament next week, I'd require a reference.

 

[P_A]

Things have changed since the prerelease FAQ was given out.

 

[Lawman]

Are you sure about that? Double-check your prerelease FAQ... it says that you cannot play Fisherman if you have fewer than four energy in the discard. To be fair, this is in conflict with WPM's translation of the Japanese FAQ, but that has no direct bearing on reality here. I'll be interested to see how it gets reconciled. In any case, since the latest official POP ruling contradicts the text on the Skyridge card, if I were running a tournament next week, I'd require a reference.

There was a correction to that ruling that went to the PTO area before the 1st PR. So, your PTO needs to update the FAQ. I know I did and went over that with my judge team.

Keith

 

[Water Pokemon Master]

Simple really. He gives out info before a release date which others are contractually bound to honor, and yet someone continues to leak to him. That affects attendance (both good and bad), and sales of product.

You assume too much.

In the case of this particular set, he gave out info regarding the Alph Lithograph trainer - of which he shouldn't have had any knowledge, since it wasn't confirmed to be in the set by TPCi, in either the list available to the PTO's, nor in the product that was released early by the big box retailers. He certainly didn't have a scan of the card when he first posted scans, so that begs the question of his source for the info.

It's called putting two and two together. The binders for the set had an extra slot after Gyarados.

I know of players who mentioned that they wouldn't be at the prerelease since they saw the scans posted early and figured they wouldn't pull anything great, and the holos by and large weren't all that playable. So yeah, that affects the bottom line of the PTO's and the stores.

I never heard anyone say that on my end - in fact, I heard the exact opposite.

Hey say what you want, WPM does the players a great service, giving them info before they should be able to access it. However it's a very fine line to walk. Too much info released early can negatively impact a store, which may decide to stop carrying pokemon, or having prereleases. However a good set and it's info released early can build excitement for the set. If WPM weighed the consequences instead of giving it out just because "I can" perhaps things would be different.

Yeah uhh the first half of this paragraph is taking it a little too far. Remember that most fans in real life don't even go on the Internet, especially for something like prereleases. It's really only the hard-core fans, who would probably be going to a prerelease and other events anyway. But maybe that's assuming too much too.

There was a time I even allowed WPM to know some info that I had - though I didn't give him scans. Less than a week later he let the whole world know that a mod on the gym was giving him info - more or less outting me, without even a thank you for the info, nor any respect for anyone else's feelings least of all mine, so perhaps you could say that I have less respect for him and his practice.

First off, you're a mod of the Gym and a TO. You shouldn't be telling me info like that in the first place, especially through a PM on this forum where people could kill both of us. Secondly, I thought you might be trying to set me up to post the info so you could later say I got it from a TO. It was nothing against you personally. I didn't even remember about that until you brought it up just now.

However I don't wish him ill will. He has every right to post what he knows if he can back it up. I just wish he'd think of someone else besides himself. I find it morally reprehensible that he would out a person for giving him info, and not out the person who gives him scans. Actually, I'm surprised he hasn't by now.

I don't even recall you giving me much of any info, let alone me posting it. I just remember saying you were telling me stuff through PM.

That in a nutshell is why he gets so much heat for doing what he does.

Because you guys assume too much?

Edit: And through all of that, we still seem to get the full set of scans up here on the gym before he does. I wonder why?

Because the Gym is run by TO's who have all the cards? XD Even then, we're only missing about a dozen or so each time, and we still get them up within a few hours. If I was more on top of it, I'd be asking people before the day of the event to look for the cards I need and scan them in, but since I have school and other commitments, I just wait for people to send them to me.

 

[Yoshi-]

"I know of players who mentioned that they wouldn't be at the prerelease since they saw the scans posted early and figured they wouldn't pull anything great, and the holos by and large weren't all that playable. So yeah, that affects the bottom line of the PTO's and the stores."

So he is to blame that we get sold a product that cant be sold once players know what they get :/?

 

[calisupra2nr]

In response to these constant rants,

Personally, I love what Pokebeach does. In the movie industry there is a similar organization known as Deadline Hollywood who reports the most accurate, up to date information before anyone else. They are always get crap for one thing or another but in the end they get it because they are good at what they do. I know myself and plenty of other friends who love to get up to the date info on all sorts of news (whether its games, movies, or sports) and we all have our sources- Pokebeach is that source for Pokemon.

 

[Prime]

"I know of players who mentioned that they wouldn't be at the prerelease since they saw the scans posted early and figured they wouldn't pull anything great, and the holos by and large weren't all that playable. So yeah, that affects the bottom line of the PTO's and the stores."

So he is to blame that we get sold a product that cant be sold once players know what they get :/?

There is some truth to this.

Also, many of those looking at the english scans on the PokeBeach are going to be looking at the japanese scans and translations a few months before. So, the english scans won't be a complete spoiler for them.

 

[PokePop]

Hey, back on topic.
We're not in the business of bashing or fighting with other sites.

Beach does what they do well.
We do what we do well.
move on.

 

[hk27]

Sorry, just to add to the topic of hg/ss, you'll need one new print of dce if you are planing on playing the old ones. Apperently the new ones sau they are special. Lol

 

[EeveeLover]

Nope, I was wrong on that one:

You won't need a reference.
DCE was always a special energy, whether early prints of the card had that printed on it or not.
It has a name. That alone meets the definition of a Special Energy.

 

[Psychoflood]

This is good news! I have plenty of the old :colorless::colorless: and personally i love using the old-school energy cards!

 

[gallade]

^ Slowking is nice, clefable is nice for fundecks, but it ends there :/

no man, you can repeatedly crobat, 10 snipe a turn!

 

[The Gorn]

It looks like the wording for 2-on-2 play is going away, sort of.

Pokemon Reversal used to say "Flip a coin. If heads, choose 1 of your opponent's Benched Pokemon and switch it with 1 of the Defending Pokemon. Your opponent chooses the Defending Pokemon to switch."

Now Pokemon Reversal just says "Flip a coin. If heads, choose 1 of your opponent's Benched Pokemon and switch it with your opponent's Active Pokemon."

It no longer references the possible multiple active Pokemon my opponent may have.

But Switch still says "Switch 1 of your active Pokemon with 1 of your Benched Pokemon." suggesting that I can have multiple Active Pokemon (as in the 2-on-2 game).

It looks like there are no other references to the 2-on-2 game in this set except for Switch.

Was that an oversight? (Not "correcting" the Switch text?)

 

[PokePop]

It looks like the wording for 2-on-2 play is going away, sort of.

Pokemon Reversal used to say "Flip a coin. If heads, choose 1 of your opponent's Benched Pokemon and switch it with 1 of the Defending Pokemon. Your opponent chooses the Defending Pokemon to switch."

Now Pokemon Reversal just says "Flip a coin. If heads, choose 1 of your opponent's Benched Pokemon and switch it with your opponent's Active Pokemon."

It no longer references the possible multiple active Pokemon my opponent may have.

But Switch still says "Switch 1 of your active Pokemon with 1 of your Benched Pokemon." suggesting that I can have multiple Active Pokemon (as in the 2-on-2 game).

It looks like there are no other references to the 2-on-2 game in this set except for Switch.

Was that an oversight? (Not "correcting" the Switch text?)

As a guess, I'd say "probably".