HoPe?
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DonphanAtoZ
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If anyone really thinks HoPe has an advantage over Phan, I'll RS them anytime.
Deoxys Cool Form
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I don't think its the deck as much as it is peoples attuitudes if people came on here and was realistic. aka "Donphan is a bad match up, but Hope does have a few tricks up its sleeves such as using Crobats Toxic Fang attack to try and Posion Donphan, while Donphan has numerous outs to this it is the best stradgy to use."
Was it against a top player? Do you believe that this 1 game is enough to accurately gage the match up?
He said it wasn't good, and he said it wasn't much of a game. Pretty sure, he said it, more to proove that he had beaten one, more than to post significant data. Just what I'm assuming
'//peace
prodigal_fanboy
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Speaking of fanboys up in this thread.
I have nothing against the concept of Hope, nor do I think many of those arguing against it do.
In fact, were I not a denizen of the Pokegym, I doubt I'd have anything against it.
However, you mention Hope in your tournament report and you have random seniors(/newly minted masters) spouting off illiterate garbage and acting foolish as adolescents (myself included) are wont to do. This creates the image of Hope as a hyped BDIF and gives it a lot of bad press, reactions to which (and perpetuations of which) you see in this thread.
tl;dr - it's an interesting deck to play, although I think the Honchkrow-dependent strategy can be a little ignorant of tempo at times, and not without its merits, however it is by no means the BDIF.
I have nothing against the concept of Hope, nor do I think many of those arguing against it do.
In fact, were I not a denizen of the Pokegym, I doubt I'd have anything against it.
However, you mention Hope in your tournament report and you have random seniors(/newly minted masters) spouting off illiterate garbage and acting foolish as adolescents (myself included) are wont to do. This creates the image of Hope as a hyped BDIF and gives it a lot of bad press, reactions to which (and perpetuations of which) you see in this thread.
tl;dr - it's an interesting deck to play, although I think the Honchkrow-dependent strategy can be a little ignorant of tempo at times, and not without its merits, however it is by no means the BDIF.
Articjedi
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I already know most of the top oregon players, they don't seem to be showing up in any of these tournament reports. Unless Eleki and his buddies have been living under a bridge for the past 4 years, they'd know exactly who each of these individuals are and cite beating them as evidence of Hope's viability. Since this hasn't come up, I'd say this is just a bunch of meaningless hype. Until you see this sweeping up high end local players like Andrew or Steven Lowe, Dillon McCord, Jason Schein, Clint Armstrong, or Steven Battalgia, all of us would be wise to stay skeptical. Hard to take someone seriously when it's all a bunch of seniors and new masters spouting off vague comments about what they're beating.
Articjedi
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For starters we don't have a hope list to work off of here on the gym, so there's really no point to the discussion. On the hope supporter side, since there is no build, they can make all the vague comments they want supporting their matchups and how you can do this and that without regards to consistency or situation. If I told you I had a deck that beat everything in the format while vacuuming the rug and doing the dishes while working as a deodorizer, you'd naturally be skeptical, especially if I didn't show you how it works.
RogueDecker
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Actually, we have Eleki's list in this thread .
Maybe look before you speak. :thumb:
RogueDecker
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This was the original post..
when did the HoPe autolosses to Donphan become what this thread is about?
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