How do you beat it?

[Yamazaru]

lol you know what i 've realized. Any deck that good and successful people will always find points to point out its weakness and the players who play the deck will continue to be conceited in themselves thinkin there deck is unstoppable. 1st it was blaze, then rock-lock and now LBS. Hmm what I want to know is instead of investing energy debating whats wrong with the deck have it decided on the battlefield and from the record LBS has collected thus far it seems to be winning that fight. But as they say looks can be deceiving like all the decks before it that dominated it never had what it takes to win when it matters most *cough* Indianapolis Colts*Cough* are a good example of this.:biggrin:

you're right, except Blaze and Rock-Lock was never as good in their meta than BLS is now

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Maybe you need to re-read the card.

Magic Evens - If Mr. Mime EX would be damaged by an attack, prevent that attack's damage done to Mr. Mime EX if that damage is 20, 40, 60, 80, 100, 120, 140, 160, or 180. (Poke-BODY)

Lugia ex can still hit Mr. Mime, genius.

you are just looking to argue with me arn't you? how mature. anyway Mime can still hold off BLS for a couple turns, depending on what they have out ;(

 

[Articjedi]

So you think that every game will be like this? especially when they cant search for any card they want??? they will be desprate for cards the whole game

If they get a mentor, TacC's theory comes out fine, the only trick beyond that is grabbing the holons, but those are fetchable with petm. He has excellent odds of pulling all of these cards out, regardless of whether you can't use pidgeot or not. Even then, pidgeot and jirachi (both jirachis), make great attackers against medicham. Blastoise has plenty of weapons in this matchup, that's why it's hard for cham to win.

 

[Yamazaru]

If they get a mentor, TacC's theory comes out fine, the only trick beyond that is grabbing the holons, but those are fetchable with petm. He has excellent odds of pulling all of these cards out, regardless of whether you can't use pidgeot or not. Even then, pidgeot and jirachi (both jirachis), make great attackers against medicham. Blastoise has plenty of weapons in this matchup, that's why it's hard for cham to win.

they still have trouble doing so, you are right, they can search out whatever they need but thay dont always get the search cards either, i play like 4 BLS decks repetitavly each week to check my odds, this kind of thing happens to them a lot

 

[Kempley05]

I think I found a way for ZRE to beat it. Throw down 2 Voltorb at once, this way they can't KO both and you'll have and Electrode ex next turn, then play down the Ray*, kill the Electrode and do 100 to Blastoise Lugia Steelix Mew and Steelix, any ex's, This finishes off Mew and Lugia and the chances are the Steelix has some damage on it so its in your favour, if anything you could Pow out there Blastoise and Admin down there hand to 1-2 cards. The game is still slightly in BLS' favour but it would even it up a lot.

 

[fchangus2]

Jirachi HL builds up Blastoise almost immediately and then hits for 60 +50% Confuse. Cham HAS to respond by KOing Jirachi or it will die next turn. So with Cham leading 1-0 we start the average sequence:
Lugia KOs Cham, 2-1 Blast
Cham/Espy KOs Lugia, 3-2 Cham
Ditto/Other KOs Cham/Espy, 4-3 Blast
Cham player almost never has 3 Pokes ready to attack but for the sake of arguement, Cham/Espy KOs Ditto/Other, 4-4
Lugia/Ditto/Other KOs Cham/Espy, 6-4 Blast
GG.

I guess the question that I have with this scenario is, how often can you get a T1 HL Jirachi? I presume that you run 3-1 DX/HL Jirachi (bad assumption on my part?), so what are your chances of pulling the HL Jirachi? Maybe you run a couple of Swoops to increase your chances but then you're taking space away at the expense of overall consistency of the deck? Also, this scenario presumes that you have both HL Jirachi and a Squirtle benched. With a 2-1-2 Blasty line, that's also not a common occurance (especially with HL Jirachi active and no Wishing Star).

I'm coming from the perspective of a LBS player who's trying to find ways to even the odds against Cham.

 

[Flaming_Spinach]

you're right, except Blaze and Rock-Lock was never as good in their meta than BLS is now

For the record...

LBS won 8 US State Championships this year.

Rock-Lock won 16 last year.


NOTHING has been as dominating as Rock-Lock was since PUI took over.

 

[fchangus2]

I don't think a smart LBS player would bench Lugia or Mew for that to happen. ZRE has very little chance against LBS, period. It's a horrible matchup.

I think I found a way for ZRE to beat it. Throw down 2 Voltorb at once, this way they can't KO both and you'll have and Electrode ex next turn, then play down the Ray*, kill the Electrode and do 100 to Blastoise Lugia Steelix Mew and Steelix, any ex's, This finishes off Mew and Lugia and the chances are the Steelix has some damage on it so its in your favour, if anything you could Pow out there Blastoise and Admin down there hand to 1-2 cards. The game is still slightly in BLS' favour but it would even it up a lot.

 

[Absolution]

I request that the title of this thread be CHANGED. This is a PG forum people, GEEZ.

-Absolution

 

[Yamazaru]

For the record...

LBS won 8 US State Championships this year.

Rock-Lock won 16 last year.


NOTHING has been as dominating as Rock-Lock was since PUI took over.

it did? it didnt seem that good, and BLS won 15 states this year.
PS I was the 1st person to play R-L

 

[spazcrackers]

i'm sry to tell you this but LBS doesn't lose...

BF,Desert Ruins.and Cursed Stone have done the most so far. if you can win the stadium battle with one of those 3 you have a pretty good chance. (from my experience at least) metagross (DX) does fairly well too since you can clear a lugia ex in one shot with a Strentgh Charm or if they used blastoise ex power twice on lugia ex (which they probably had). another thing if possible, just keep enough pressure to where they can't pick off your main search engine with steelix or you will be in quite the mess. hope that helps.

-spaz

 

[TacC]

PS I was the 1st person to play R-L

I'm loving your posts more and more each day. Mime Evens, 1st RL player, please do continue.

And the "Mime slowing them down for a couple turns" thing...

Mudslide
Breakdown
Mudslide
Breakdown
Mudslide
Breakdown
Elemental Blast
GG

If Blastoise didn't play some VICIOUS Basics I would agree with you on the no search = no attackers philosophy.

 

[_Cookie]

i made a deck that could beat LBS until i found out ampharos ex was in dragon

 

[Yamazaru]

I'm loving your posts more and more each day. Mime Evens, 1st RL player, please do continue.

ok. im not joking, i used it last year at indiana states and got 2nd to Steven. After that it started to become a popular deck and I was like meh. Mr. Mime is a joke, no way it could be considered "tech" it cannot block a range of damage, and opponent could just use strength charm and "viola" Mime is dead.

i made a deck that could beat LBS until i found out ampharos ex was in dragon

lol

 

[rokman]

Mr. Mime is a joke, no way it could be considered "tech" it cannot block a range of damage, and opponent could just use strength charm and "viola" Mime is dead.

If you keep posting crap like this, I will drink the bleach and stop suggesting you should. If anyone out there plays a strength charm in LBS, I want them to come to my house RIGHT NOW so I can blow their brains out.

 

[Yamazaru]

If you keep posting crap like this, I will drink the bleach and stop suggesting you should. If anyone out there plays a strength charm in LBS, I want them to come to my house RIGHT NOW so I can blow their brains out.

I didnt say anything about BLS, of course they shouldnt play charm, but other decks might, stop trying to argue with me, its getting old.

 

[KG1337]

ummmmm, RL was created like the December before states last year and a few people used it at a cc in Cleveland

 

[Yamazaru]

ummmmm, RL was created like the December before states last year and a few people used it at a cc in Cleveland

all I know was that people started playing it after I did, I shouldnt of said "the first" but instead "one of the few that didnt netdeck it". Sry for any mix up. And it was the same thing with Pow!block, It got me to worlds then it became an arctype.

 

[Kempley05]

I don't think a smart LBS player would bench Lugia or Mew for that to happen. ZRE has very little chance against LBS, period. It's a horrible matchup.

Well Ray* is an unexpected move, if ZRE doesn't play Ray* it does indeed have no chance, but if you use my method ZRE has at least a chance

 

[SLOW DECK]

WOW, the first person to put a deck together that had both Sand Damage T-Tar, Dark Ampy, Pidgeot, and ATM-Rocks in it? WOW Brilliance, like hundreds of other players can't see the combination once the cards came out also.

It was played in several Citys last year and I thought it won a few though? Did you say you played it at cities or states. you must have meant cities.

And having to wait until you get 2 voltorbs in hand before putting them down on the bench?? You must be a noob at playing Trode EX decks. How many voltorbs did you have KO'd on bench before you figured that out.

 

[Yamazaru]

Who, you are saying that you are the first person to put a deck together that had both Sand Damage T-Tar, Dark Ampy, Pidgeot, and ATM-Rocks in it? WOW

I thought it was played several and won a few Citys last year though? Did you say you played it at cities or states. you must have meant cities.

that fact has already been astabolished... and i have already given a reply...