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If anyones interested, the decks I remember from MA States Top 8 were a Team Magma Deck/Wobbufett that won, a Kingdra EX, A gardevoir, A Sharpedo/Aquas Manectric, A Kabutops EX/Machamp, and another BAR deck. Both Blaziken decks lost in the first round of elimination. Unfortunatly, I know I'm forgetting a couple decks...but if Blaziken EX was overpowering, people weren't really playing it in Milford o_O;

EDIT: And yes, that was the 15+ category......
 
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Prime is at least partially right. It's hard to separate popularity from success. BEX may very well be completely broken, but a handful of tournaments isn't going to tell us that. You may have all the data you need, but I don't.
 
Yeah 1 Tourney isnt enough to make that prediction yet. Post the results under the States section under Mudkip's post then we can tally. Sure enough in Ohio BEX was abundent but I also didnt read that their were many Kingdra EX. At our States Kingdra EX was dominant and thus keeping any BEX variants out of the top 2. Kingdra EX decks made a 1st place showing in the 11-14 and a 2nd place showing in the 15+. Do not underestimate Kingdra EX at our SC it totally dominated BEX and its variants.
 
see, Kingdra ex is one variant that is designed mainly to counter BEX decks, Kingdra won at SC's too, probably Gardevoir will win, don't they have type advantages?we can only expect more of this type of results, Suicune ex/Swampert won! Kingdra ex won! Gardy won! Direct counters to the deck.

-MuD
 
Tyranitar has been right the whole time. Pick any deck you'd like to counter Bex and it will still flat out lose. I've tested every single playable water deck and I can guarantee a loss vs Bex 9 out of 10 times. Swampert/Latias or Suicune ex, Kingdra ex, Kabutops ex are probably the most popular. The fact is those decks will not stand a chance. Bex is too dominant because of its combination of speed and power.

To stand a chance, you need to have an amazing start. Anything short than amazing is an auto loss. You have to have your beast setup before they have their Bex. If that even happens, who are you gonna kill before Bex is setup? Dunsparce? Torchic? Those two prizes will really change the game. If you don't get setup before Bex, just give up. There is no hiding. You can't build up anything on the bench because it will just get picked off.

Swampert/Latias or Suicune, good luck getting 2 Swamperts and an active Suicune turn 2 or 3 latest to even stand a chance. You don't have those 2 Swamps its over. Play a Suicune without being able to have 3 energy on it the first turn you play it, prepare to lose 2 prizes. Want to trade 2 prizes by killing your Suicune and then his Bex? How you gonna do that? What will kill the Bex after it kills the Suicune? You killed it? Good job, heres a Rayquaza ex with 3 energy on it ready to ohko anything next.

How about Kingdra ex or Kabutops ex. Good luck getting 8 energy on 2 Tops/Kingdra to kill a Bex after it kills you. Waste 4 turns putting energy on Kabutops and bring him up with 100 damage on him already from Bex. Kill Bex and then what? Get two prizes and leave? By the time you have 4 energy on Kingdra or Tops, the Bex player has already had 4 on Bex and 2-3 on Rayquaza.

This deck is seriously killing Eon. Its not fun to play against at all and you'll play vs it a majority of the time, not to mention it kills everything. Blastoise ex to save it? Oops, its not fast enough to survive being picked off on the bench and then being cleaned up by Rayquaza if needed. I say ban the card. Thats the only solution here.
 
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As if we didn't already know this was going to happen

South Carolina SC:

15+
1st Garde/EX (this game was a bad start for the BAR deck)
2nd BAR

11-14
1st BR
2nd BAR

10-
1st BAR
2nd Garde/EX

A bit more data....

-FlipsAreCool:cool:
 
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Also, include what percentage of decks were of what type. After all, the more a deck is played in a tournament, the more likely it is to win.
 
Just shows that the Ohio State Championship players would rather try a deck that they are sure can win other then playing something they have to actually think about to make. I read a topic in another forum with 3 state championships listed and Bar EX wasn't in the top 3 except for one deck. http://www.pokegym.net/showthread.php?t=5664

Guess this just shows you that some players would rather just go with the flow, others actually playtest and can beat the Balziken EX.

Blaziken EX won't be banned, the next set will wipe it out in June. That and right now it can be beat, I have seen it done with 3 different decks. These players asked to not have there decks posted until after the Indiana State Championships. So I don't plan to. Just look out there it can be beat. I am sure Tyranitar666 has playtested a lot, I guess he just hasn't found the right combo yet.

From what I hear PUI did a lot of playtesting two, they didn't have any trouble finding something to beat it either.
 
Flare Starfire said:
If anyones interested, the decks I remember from MA States Top 8 were a Team Magma Deck/Wobbufett that won, a Kingdra EX, A gardevoir, A Sharpedo/Aquas Manectric, A Kabutops EX/Machamp, and another BAR deck. Both Blaziken decks lost in the first round of elimination. Unfortunatly, I know I'm forgetting a couple decks...but if Blaziken EX was overpowering, people weren't really playing it in Milford o_O;

EDIT: And yes, that was the 15+ category......
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Flare, one of the other decks to make top 8 in Milford 15+ was T-Tar! We had 3 from our league
make top 8 including the winner! That would be TM/Wobby, Gardy, and T-TAR. No BARS here!
And, the winning deck was only 14 hours old!!!
 
fyi......in Michigan, BAR won 11-14\2nd is Blaze/Tales.....for 10- Manectric/Lanturn/kyogre won, and BAR for 2nd.....in 15+....KingdraEX/Hariyama...2nd is Manectric/Lanturn/kyogre.......
Also, 1st seed in the top 8 for all was straight kingdra, going 6-0....
 
*laughs* I met up with the MA States winner in RI, had a good laugh at all the strange decks...we still don't know how on earth that Magma deck worked so well! X)

Oh well...only 8 people for 15+ in the RI state championships. 2 bar decks, a sceptile deck, a fossil deck, a magma deck, a gardy deck, niniken, and kingdra EX.....The sceptile deck went up against the Kingdra deck first, tough luck there or it would've been different.

The niniken player (MA Champ) was really tearing it up!

Kingdra EX only needs a water, a boost, and a strength charm to KO blaziken EX, in response to the post. All you need are two seadra with one water energy each on them and a decent hand. You'll get a seadra, but you'll die to the Kingdra EX/Boost/Strength. Believe me, I've seen the deck pull that trick way too often, even when I was out on turn 3-4 ><; It deserves more credit than its getting at the moment.
 
Everybody, It's okay. there isn't even a need to get Nintendo involved in this one. Sure this thing might dominate through States, but Stadiums (the next set of tournaments) which are this summer are going to include Hidden Legends. Nintendo is already aware of what is winning, and believe me, the format's decks will change by that time. It's not like this game hasn't seen a great card before.
 
OK, now to defend the honor of a Kingdra.... i beleive with out the shadow of a doubt that kingdra ex
cab take down any blaze ex and or blaze rayqaza cause i was jus in the PA states and did it... i faced
5 diff variations of the damn thing and i owned it (untill my deck craped out and got a bad hand in
the final four) but all i need is a boost and 2 water energy's and bye bye balze (now a days taht aint
hard aht all) and a crystal shard for the rayquaza... and not to forget about wobbafett's in the deck
kicking names and taking ***...jus know that it aint the spikey crotch chickens fault... its the damn
srupid ppl who made the cards without thinking of "ohh crap what a combo"
COUGHplussceptileexteammagmasaggronandgardyexcankillitinonehittonameafewmoreCOUGH

something in my throat
 
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Yeah 1 Tourney isnt enough to make that prediction yet. Post the results under the States section under Mudkip's post then we can tally. Sure enough in Ohio BEX was abundent but I also didnt read that their were many Kingdra EX. At our States Kingdra EX was dominant and thus keeping any BEX variants out of the top 2. Kingdra EX decks made a 1st place showing in the 11-14 and a 2nd place showing in the 15+. Do not underestimate Kingdra EX at our SC it totally dominated BEX and its variants.
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Ohio is probably THE state for pokemon. Argue it all you want but we have the best players in the game here... PA has Jeremy... and i dunno who else... Ohio has

Me
Gymbo
Tom
David
Chris
(I dunno else I'm forgetting but I know there's some)

We have awesome players here and all of us run Bex. It might not be as bad other places but once again Ohio has a very very good player base that plays here so you gotta consider how good your play area is
 
Ok....so people don't think simply Ohios state championship is enough to judge on. Look at the one Chad won with Blaziken Exeggcutor with Blaziken EX. His entire Metagame was anti Blaziken. He said they had a dozen Salamence decks. SALAMENCE IS ONE OF THE BEST COUNTERS TO BLAZIKEN. They had Sceptile Muk EX...MUK EX IS ONE OF THE TOP COUNTERS. They had Swampert Suicune! THATS COUNTERING BLAZIKEN GUYS!!! His entire tournament was not Blaziken...but in fact ANTI Blaziken yet the Blaziken deck STILL WON. Say all you want, but we've had one of the best states turn out to be dominated nearly ENTIRELY in all age groups by Blaziken, and than had a field of nearly all ANTI Blaziken decks get one by one of the few, if not lone, Blaziken deck played that day. HOW IS THIS PROOF DEBATABLE.

Also...water decks don't get slaughtered 100% of the time. But none of them do better than 50-50. I know plenty of people who are willing to play anyone to prove this. Kingdra isn't bad, and if it gets its perfect set up has a good chance of winning. BUT THATS JUST IT. It DOESNT ALWAYS GET ITS SET UP, and Blaziken is infinitely more consistant. BAR absolutely beats Kingdra too. The Ampharos is HUGE in winning the match up. It makes Kingdra almost not threatening.
 
Yeah, Chad won with Blaze/ex/eggs, but I (muk ex/sceptile) never got to play him... but another sceptile deck did and lost to it. Also, in the finals vs. Scott, Chad won against Swampert/Latias ex/Swampert ex and it even had a wobbuffet in there too. PLus a shard and a ditto.

Blaze ex is just too strong once you get ONE LITTLE ADVANTAGE. If your opponent has a slightly bad start, they lose.

During testing on appr with my Muk ex/sceptile/sceptile ex, here's what I found to be true: T2 Muk ex, very good chance of winning. T2 Muk ex + another Muk ex within the next turn or so is almost a guaranteed win. Now, that sounds all great, but without a t2 Muk ex, I've lost every single game. You just can't make a comeback against it. Against rayquazza, at least you could stall for SOMETHING. With both Quazza and Bex in the deck, you can't hide, you can't build... etc.

And prime, the hype thing. Chad and some other kid were the only 2 playing a Blaze varient in 15+. ONLY 2. And yet one of them won =\
 
nikePK: Only two of the godly mass of people that played blaziken played a varient? That's darn funny. Why is it funny? I dunno, I just like to see other's try original decks, heck if they cannot, use a varient for peace sakes. Not decks that everybody and their grandma uses. But I guess for the best, they must win. But I guess if the game is that way to some people, I rather just let them win and let their "dream" go on as much as it can. Because once pokemon goes away, they have to hop onto a new game and use the cheapiest deck alive just so they feel good when they win. Sorry if I sound rude, but that is just my honest opinion.

Onto subject, I would say that more people will not be playing blaziken EX after the state championships. Why you ask? Well the biggest reason people weren't playing blaziken EX was because it is REALLY hard to obtain, and to obtain 2 is even harder. Than add in the blaziken needed and it becomes really hard. But you must also add in the hype fact. People called blaziken EX broken, reviewers giving it a 6/5 saying that it needs to be banned. So what do people do if they want to win? Play the most broken cheapiest deck alive. Now after states, the supply will be more so it won't be as hard to make the deck, but the hype will be gone. People will have seen what blaziken ex did and from that point decided if they want to play it or not. Either way, people will be teching for blaziken playing water decks and people will tech the tech for blaziken EX, and so on.

Anyways, I'm happy the people in OHIO are the best players in the USA. Because if the people in asheville, nc were the best players in the USA, I would have to stop playing the game.
 
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