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Is Hunting for Fun Immoral? Discussion.

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Toxic- your last comment noted and appreciated- it is easy for people to misconstrue what others say without knowing the true intentions behind the comment. apology accepted. I also will apologize to any one here that has been offended or misunderstood what I have said- If any one is wanting a better understanding of anything I have said in this thread, feel free to ask me to explain my intentions to the comments I have made. I do not think that this thread should be locked, I think the thread could use a bit more direction and understanding in it though.....a conversation carries better results then a debate ( and yes, IMO a "debate" can be easily used to describe what is going on in this thread. well, in some areas of it.))
 
I agree with Darthpika. Calisupra just came in here making offensive accusations and preaching that eating meat is wrong and vegetarians are taking over the earth. Blahblahblah. Then you get the idea to accuse anyone who gets a Double Cheeseburger to be wrong and gross. That's just stupid. Are you kidding me!? You can not make accusations based on what someone eats. That's so wrong on SO MANY levels. And YOU are trying to call other people immature? Please, you're the one vomiting at people eating cheeseburgers. Go home kid, we don't need you're dumb provoking remarks in this discussion.
 
Is any thing we do for 'fun' 'Moral'.

The answer of virtually bygone yesterday was an unanimous 'No' from the 'champions' of the variety of 'Religious' outlooks.

The answer today is a circumstantial relevant 'maybe' depending on who you ask and what it is you are actually asking.

Now with regards to hunting for food and hunting to conserve the outbreak of growth and a way to help bond families and friends together what is wrong with that and why can that not be seen as fun?

I and others am somewhat tired of others in opposition to our view making us feel 'guilty' because we don't fit their mold of what seems to constitute being truly 'human' today.

I understand that their are medical breakthroughs and research showing safer and healthier ways to eat, but getting people to change their ways as if 'You' *not pointing to anyone in particular* are acting like Moses upon Mt. Sinai issue forth commandments to change are so called lawless sinful ways, 'you' will be met naturally with general opposition.

I do not attempt to force whatever little philosophy I have down your throats so please stop this so called righteous banter on humanity is savage unless you eat nothing but herbage.

Now I respect very highly people that out of a strong spiritual religious-obligation and, or view (if 'they' respectively refrain from attempting to coerce on to others) who do not eat meat such as the variety of faiths like 'Hinduism', 'Buddhism', 'Jainism' and certain Islamic mystic/sufi schools of thought.

I particularly like the Upanishadic Sages of old who view the person or self wrapped in five levels of 'material'. I won't mention all of them but suffice it to say the first is 'annamayakosha' or annamayapursa' which roughly translates as the sheath made of food or the person made of food.

This food material eats and is being eaten no matter what we do. I think this acknowledgment of our own tangible mortality should be respected and extend to all life, especially the life be it plants or animals that sustains our own for the short while we are here.

I think a respectable approach of agreement can be found if we stop attacking one another. No one but 'God' is correct in such matters in the ultimate stage.

(Note I'm not using 'God' to credit what is or is not wrong or right I am simply stating that these arguments would reside ultimately in the decision of That which is far beyond our comprehension, since we can not seem to come up with ATM an agreeable solution with out stepping on one another's toes)

I am also aware that this thread which started out as a variety of opinions that remained as opinions quickly unraveled to people sprouting and spitting opinions more less construed as shaky ground 'facts' and insults to one another and for that I feel truly sorry for all of you.
 
I agree with Darthpika. Calisupra just came in here making offensive accusations and preaching that eating meat is wrong and vegetarians are taking over the earth. Blahblahblah. Then you get the idea to accuse anyone who gets a Double Cheeseburger to be wrong and gross. That's just stupid. Are you kidding me!? You can not make accusations based on what someone eats. That's so wrong on SO MANY levels. And YOU are trying to call other people immature? Please, you're the one vomiting at people eating cheeseburgers. Go home kid, we don't need you're dumb provoking remarks in this discussion.

Umm yeah eating a double cheeseburger is gross...it is fat beyond belief and was prepared by mass slaughtering of cows in which a large corporation pays minimal amounts for the food. A cheeseburger for a $1, disgusting. Just imagine how foul that is and you will see my point. Or maybe you are one of those fat slobs who enjoys downing dead animal and getting cancer at the age of 50. And do not ever refer to me as kid as I have provided plenty of insight as to the actual facts behind eating meat in fact I will just start spamming this thread with articles until you silence yourself.

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Leading health experts agree that going vegetarian is the single-best thing we can do for ourselves and our families. Healthy vegetarian diets support a lifetime of good health and provide protection against numerous diseases, including our country’s three biggest killers: heart disease, cancer, and strokes. The American Dietetic Association states that vegetarians have “lower rates of death from ischemic heart disease; … lower blood cholesterol levels, lower blood pressure, and lower rates of hypertension, type 2 diabetes, and prostate and colon cancer” and that vegetarians are less likely than meat-eaters to be obese.1 Well-planned vegetarian diets provide us with all the nutrients that we need, minus all the saturated fat, cholesterol, and contaminants found in animal flesh, eggs, and dairy products.



Research has shown that vegetarians are 50 percent less likely to develop heart disease, and they have 40 percent of the cancer rate of meat-eaters.3,4 Plus, meat-eaters are nine times more likely to be obese than vegans are.5
The consumption of meat, eggs, and dairy products has also been strongly linked to osteoporosis, Alzheimer's, asthma, and male impotence. Scientists have also found that vegetarians have stronger immune systems than their meat-eating friends; this means that they are less susceptible to everyday illnesses like the flu.7 Vegetarians and vegans live, on average, six to 10 years longer than meat-eaters.8
A plant-based diet is the best diet for kids, too: Studies have shown that vegetarian kids grow taller and have higher IQs than their classmates, and they are at a reduced risk for heart disease, obesity, diabetes, and other diseases in the long run.10,11 Studies have shown that even older people who switch to a vegetarian or vegan diet can prevent and even reverse many chronic ailments.

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1 Ann Mangels, Virginia Messina, and Vesanto Melina, "Position of the American Dietetic Association and Dietitians of Canada: Vegetarian Diets," Journal of the American Dietetic Association, Jun. 2003, pp. 748-65.
2 Neal Barnard, M.D., The Power of Your Plate, Book Publishing Co.: Summertown, Tenn., 1990, p. 26.
3 Elizabeth Somer, "Eating Meat: A Little Doesn't Hurt," WebMD, 1999.
4 Neal Barnard, M.D., The Power of Your Plate, Book Publishing Co.: Summertown, Tenn., 1990, p. 26.
5 John Robbins, The Food Revolution, Conari Press: Boston, 2001, p. 58.
6 Neal Barnard, M.D., "Doctor in the House," PETA's Animal Times, Fall 2004, p. 7.
7 Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine with Amy Lanou, Healthy Eating for Life for Children, New York: John Wiley and Sons, 2002, p. 49.
8 Robbins, p. 14.
9 Benjamin Spock, M.D., Dr. Spock's Baby and Child Care: Seventh Edition, New York: Pocket Books, 1998, p. 333.
10 Charles Attwood, M.D., Dr. Attwood's Low-Fat Prescription for Kids, New York: Penguin Books, 1995, p. 84.
11 Robbins, p. 85.

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Global warming. Overexploited natural resources. Deforestation. Wasted land. Water and air pollution. The most serious environmental problems of our time are all directly linked to eating meat.

A 2006 United Nations report summarized the devastation caused by the meat industry by calling it "one of the top two or three most significant contributors to the most serious environmental problems, at every scale from local to global." The report recommended that animal agriculture "be a major policy focus when dealing with problems of land degradation, climate change and air pollution, water shortage and water pollution, and loss of biodiversity."1

Many leading environmental organizations, such as the National Audubon Society and the Sierra Club, are now establishing the link between eating meat and eco-disasters like climate change. According to Environmental Defense, if every American skipped one meal of chicken per week and substituted vegetarian foods instead, the carbon dioxide savings would be the same as taking more than a half-million cars off U.S. roads.

Environmental organizations aren't the only ones making the connection. PETA has worked with many celebrities, such as Sir Paul McCartney and Chrissie Hynde, to help raise awareness about the undeniable link between eating meat and environmental devastation. To read Sir Paul McCartney's interview about the environmental crisis, visit PETA's blog The PETA Files.

To learn more about how raising animals for food causes global warming, wastes resources, and pollutes our environment as well as what you can do to help, please click on the links below.
Meat and the Environment
Wasted Resources
• Land
• Food
• Energy
• Water
• Rain Forest
• Animal Suffering
Pollution
• Feces
• Water
• Air
• Global Warming

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and just to finish off the rest of you who are plain wastes of life...

http://puffin.creighton.edu/phil/stephens/fiveargumentsforvegetarianism.htm
 
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Honestly, I think you being so desperate and whiny in trying to "silence" people has done more harm to your cause than any "insight" you've offered.

And once you start citing PETA, you might as well hold up a sign saying "hey 95% of the world: I DON'T want you to stop eating meat because I'll find the most polarizing organization to base my 'facts' off of!"
 
calisupra2nr, will you please remove your head from your butt (or wherever else you keep it when it's not thinking) and realize that this thread is not about eating meat?

For the umpteenth time, this thread is about the morality of hunting, not about the health benefits of vegetarianism. Look, if you want to debate about the health benefits of being a vegetarian, that's fine, but go make another thread for it. You have completely and single-handedly derailed this thread.
 
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wow- for some reason, I have found myself unable to actually leave this thread- a lot of good points in here from a lot of people in here. the only thing I do not like are the insults that are flying around in here. an open mind is a tough thing to have, a skill that takes time to develop and mature to perfection over time. I do think that I could stick some comic relief in here:( sarcasm to follow..........>) The other day, a tree fell down in my neighbors yard- missed a person walking down the side walk by two feet. I think that is a sign of trees hunting down us humans for polluting the air. We have endangered their life, and over evolutionary advances in the trees intellect, they spot the cause and now have decided to take matters in their own branches. (< end sarcasm........)- but now back to the Q at hand- since I choose to not hunt for pleasure based on my personal moral standards, I do not have a problem with those who choose to do so- it is with in their rights.
 
Honestly, I think you being so desperate and whiny in trying to "silence" people has done more harm to your cause than any "insight" you've offered.

And once you start citing PETA, you might as well hold up a sign saying "hey 95% of the world: I DON'T want you to stop eating meat because I'll find the most polarizing organization to base my 'facts' off of!"
One line of information was from PETA and you walk away so indulged in that, you essentially create a world in which everything I say is discredited because of it...talk about polarizing...
calisupra2nr, will you please remove your head from your butt (or wherever else you keep it when it's not thinking) and realize that this thread is not about eating meat?

For the umpteenth time, this thread is about the morality of hunting, not about the health benefits of vegetarianism. Look, if you want to debate about the health benefits of being a vegetarian, that's fine, but go make another thread for it. You have completely and single-handedly derailed this thread.

I could care less what this thread was originally about. Many would agree that hunting for pleasure is immoral. I am concerned with the real problem that plagues the world... And if I kept my head in my butt (btw, are you 5?) how could I consistently run you down with logic and fact?
 
For the umpteenth time, this thread is about the morality of hunting, not about the health benefits of vegetarianism. Look, if you want to debate about the health benefits of being a vegetarian, that's fine, but go make another thread for it. You have completely and single-handedly derailed this thread.


Just ignore him. I think that was his iCan-of-Red-Paint that he flacidly threw at the furry thread whilst pathetically screaming *whine "Now you have blood all over you, you murderers!" whine* ROFLROFLROFLMMFAOROFL!!!

Maybe now he'll do like all the PETA cankers and run away :rolleyes:
 
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wow- for some reason, I have found myself unable to actually leave this thread- a lot of good points in here from a lot of people in here. the only thing I do not like are the insults that are flying around in here. an open mind is a tough thing to have, a skill that takes time to develop and mature to perfection over time. I do think that I could stick some comic relief in here:( sarcasm to follow..........>) The other day, a tree fell down in my neighbors yard- missed a person walking down the side walk by two feet. I think that is a sign of trees hunting down us humans for polluting the air. We have endangered their life, and over evolutionary advances in the trees intellect, they spot the cause and now have decided to take matters in their own branches. (< end sarcasm........)- but now back to the Q at hand- since I choose to not hunt for pleasure based on my personal moral standards, I do not have a problem with those who choose to do so- it is with in their rights.

There is no such thing as open minded when it comes to another sentient beings right to live. Screw all of the people that think they have the right to chose whether something else lives or dies.. its all christian crap that has us thinking humans have the right to this choice on killing. Maybe in the past we did need to kill to survive, but do we live on an open savannah? No! So quit arguing or even trying to understand such a joke of a viewpoint. None of the people who disagree with me have even said 1 damn thing that proves factually that we should be eating meat or that is within our "rights" to decide who lives and dies. Maybe if those people pulled their head out of the ground they would see they have the right to keep to themselves and not impede another life. Absolutely disgusting and I hope that each person who thinks differently will attend a Pokemon event like Nationals this year so I can have this in person... typing an argument is getting old and I look forward to the day that I can meet Cyrus, Darth, Ryan, etc.
 
One line of information was from PETA and you walk away so indulged in that, you essentially create a world in which everything I say is discredited because of it...talk about polarizing...


I could care less what this thread was originally about. Making your posts complete spam ;p Many would agree that hunting for pleasure is immoral. Actually your posyts have no evidence of that, even though that is the topic of the thread. Mind posting about it a little? I am concerned with the real problem that plagues the world... Then do somehting, or at least make a seperate thread. And if I kept my head in my butt (btw, are you 5?no, but I doubt he likes infractions) how could I consistently run you down with logic and fact?HA! i see what you did there

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Just ignore him. I think that is was iCan-of-Red-Paint that he flacidly threw at the furry thread whilst pathetically screaming *whine "Now you have blood all over you, you murderers!" whine* ROFLROFLROFLMMFAOROFL!!!

Maybe now he'll do like all the PETA cankers and run away :rolleyes:

Yeah PETA, because I am a member and distributor of their ideas. They share some ideas of mine, but in no way do we correlate... Why don't you do yourself a favor and read what I said in my long post of fact and then respond with your own facts instead of your 5 year old troll responses (see the iCan reference along with the ROFLROFL...) you are full of just waste. pure waste.

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And there is supposed to be substance in what you said? Sounds like a lot of empty air...
 
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There is no such thing as open minded when it comes to another sentient beings right to live. **** all of the people that think they have the right to chose whether something else lives or dies.i lold. . its all christian crapi lold that has us thinking humans have the right to this choice on killing. Maybe in the past we did need to kill to survive, but do we live on an open savannah? No!i lold So quit arguing or even trying to understand such a joke of a viewpointi REALLY lold. you just told people to stop viewing their viewpoint. like omg this is better than that thread about Africa. . None of the people who disagree with me have even said 1 damn thing that proves factually that we should be eating meat or that is within our "rights" to decide who lives and dies. you havent said why we DONT have the right lol. its a personal choice. Maybe if those people pulled their head out of the ground they would see they have the right to keep to themselves and not impede the whole concept is that they are killing, not impeding lol. another life. Absolutely disgusting and I hope that each person who thinks differently will attend a Pokemon event like Nationals this year so I can have this in person... typing an argument is getting old and I look forward to the day that I can meet Cyrus, Darth, Ryan, etc Come to NV states or something and Ill argue with you. This is amazing, I really hope you do. .

posted this right beforer mine, and in the event this gets deleted, note to mod, just delete the reply or the quote or something. Replies in bold again.
 
Leading health experts agree that going vegetarian is the single-best thing we can do for ourselves and our families. Healthy vegetarian diets support a lifetime of good health and provide protection against numerous diseases, including our country’s three biggest killers: heart disease, cancer, and strokes. The American Dietetic Association states that vegetarians have “lower rates of death from ischemic heart disease; … lower blood cholesterol levels, lower blood pressure, and lower rates of hypertension, type 2 diabetes, and prostate and colon cancer” and that vegetarians are less likely than meat-eaters to be obese.1 Well-planned vegetarian diets provide us with all the nutrients that we need, minus all the saturated fat, cholesterol, and contaminants found in animal flesh, eggs, and dairy products.



Research has shown that vegetarians are 50 percent less likely to develop heart disease, and they have 40 percent of the cancer rate of meat-eaters.3,4 Plus, meat-eaters are nine times more likely to be obese than vegans are.5
The consumption of meat, eggs, and dairy products has also been strongly linked to osteoporosis, Alzheimer's, asthma, and male impotence. Scientists have also found that vegetarians have stronger immune systems than their meat-eating friends; this means that they are less susceptible to everyday illnesses like the flu.7 Vegetarians and vegans live, on average, six to 10 years longer than meat-eaters.8
A plant-based diet is the best diet for kids, too: Studies have shown that vegetarian kids grow taller and have higher IQs than their classmates, and they are at a reduced risk for heart disease, obesity, diabetes, and other diseases in the long run.10,11 Studies have shown that even older people who switch to a vegetarian or vegan diet can prevent and even reverse many chronic ailments.

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1 Ann Mangels, Virginia Messina, and Vesanto Melina, "Position of the American Dietetic Association and Dietitians of Canada: Vegetarian Diets," Journal of the American Dietetic Association, Jun. 2003, pp. 748-65.
2 Neal Barnard, M.D., The Power of Your Plate, Book Publishing Co.: Summertown, Tenn., 1990, p. 26.
3 Elizabeth Somer, "Eating Meat: A Little Doesn't Hurt," WebMD, 1999.
4 Neal Barnard, M.D., The Power of Your Plate, Book Publishing Co.: Summertown, Tenn., 1990, p. 26.
5 John Robbins, The Food Revolution, Conari Press: Boston, 2001, p. 58.
6 Neal Barnard, M.D., "Doctor in the House," PETA's Animal Times, Fall 2004, p. 7.
7 Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine with Amy Lanou, Healthy Eating for Life for Children, New York: John Wiley and Sons, 2002, p. 49.
8 Robbins, p. 14.
9 Benjamin Spock, M.D., Dr. Spock's Baby and Child Care: Seventh Edition, New York: Pocket Books, 1998, p. 333.
10 Charles Attwood, M.D., Dr. Attwood's Low-Fat Prescription for Kids, New York: Penguin Books, 1995, p. 84.
11 Robbins, p. 85.

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Global warming. Overexploited natural resources. Deforestation. Wasted land. Water and air pollution. The most serious environmental problems of our time are all directly linked to eating meat.

A 2006 United Nations report summarized the devastation caused by the meat industry by calling it "one of the top two or three most significant contributors to the most serious environmental problems, at every scale from local to global." The report recommended that animal agriculture "be a major policy focus when dealing with problems of land degradation, climate change and air pollution, water shortage and water pollution, and loss of biodiversity."1

Many leading environmental organizations, such as the National Audubon Society and the Sierra Club, are now establishing the link between eating meat and eco-disasters like climate change. According to Environmental Defense, if every American skipped one meal of chicken per week and substituted vegetarian foods instead, the carbon dioxide savings would be the same as taking more than a half-million cars off U.S. roads.

Environmental organizations aren't the only ones making the connection. PETA has worked with many celebrities, such as Sir Paul McCartney and Chrissie Hynde, to help raise awareness about the undeniable link between eating meat and environmental devastation. To read Sir Paul McCartney's interview about the environmental crisis, visit PETA's blog The PETA Files.

To learn more about how raising animals for food causes global warming, wastes resources, and pollutes our environment as well as what you can do to help, please click on the links below.
Meat and the Environment
Wasted Resources
• Land
• Food
• Energy
• Water
• Rain Forest
• Animal Suffering
Pollution
• Feces
• Water
• Air
• Global Warming

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and just to finish off the rest of you who are plain wastes of life...

http://puffin.creighton.edu/phil/ste...etarianism.htm

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Hahahahahahhahahaha, I haven't said why you don't have the right?!!!!?????!!!!??

The only thing in the entire history of man that says anything close to the right to kill animals when we do not need to is the bible!!!!!!! Hahahahahhahahahahah that is your source as to why we DO have the right??

Talk about loling... you are so full of useless nothings. Who said you have the right to kill another animal when you don't need to? Hmm? Answer me?

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I will continue to post the above information as long as people try and refute what I am saying. It completely discredits any opposing argument. I would recommend to Darth, Wayne, Cyrus and now you Patsy, you come back with some substantial proof before you talk down to me. I will talk down to you all day until you prove me otherwise and continue to provide the same facts over and over until they are ACTUALLY REFUTED, NOT JUST TROLLED ON like wayne and patsy do.
 
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Calis- you missed MY point- I spoke for myself, on behalf of my self, and responded to the Q at hand. please feel free to read through this thread all over from the beginning. I believe somewhere in this thread I ACKNOWLEDGED the rights of others to hunt as they please(see fit, what ever)- thus not JUDGING anyone. and so what if I put a little sarcasm in this thread- if you want an explanation behind that sarcasm- just ask. Did I somewhere say in this thread that I run a campaign or organization, or Christan referral remark as to saying that something has the right to live or die?.......hmmmmm...... missed something somewhere.... OH YAH! anyone want to explain to me how making the choice through our rights to hunt (in any form)(my previous little list of 3 reasons) turn into "choosing what has the right to live and die?"?? when I thought that this thread was about MORALS AND HUNTING?

time to go to the forest and eat a cheeseburger with superwooper- there, i will decide if the cheeseburger has the right to life or digestion, and then make the immoral act of enjoying the taste- being cautious of the murderous trees lurking above me while they glare at me with the "evil eye" as I pass gas and pollute there surrounding air.....
 
does anybody else see this:

How ______ dare anyone out there make fun of Bambi after all he has been through!

He lost his mom, he went through a scary rain storm! He had two ________ kids.

His doe turned out to be a user, a cheater, an antlerless buck and now he's going through a custody battle. All you people care about is….. eating red meat and polluting the environment.

HE’S A HUMAN! (ah! ooh!) What you don’t realize is that Bambi is the king of the forest and all you do is try to kill and eat him. LEAVE BAMBI ALONE!

He hasn’t gone to the lush green meadow in years. His song is called “There is Life” for a reason because all you people want is MORE meat! MORE, MORE, MORE, MORE RED MEAT!.

LEAVE HIM ALONE! You are lucky he even RUTTED for you _________!
LEAVE BAMBI ALONE!…..Please.


I ACKNOWLEDGED the rights of others to hunt as they please(see fit, what ever)- thus not JUDGING anyone.

I think the only reason you disagreed with me in the first place was because you didn't fully understand what I meant. Enjoy your burger!
 
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honestly, this is getting ridiculous. -___-

to address the whole vegan/vegetarian vs. meat eaters

yes people can come out with all sorts of scientific reports and studies saying that this lifestyle is more healthy and so on and so forth, HOWEVER
saying that and getting people to do it are two different animals (no pun intended)
i for one would definitely never consider going vegan/vegetarian because i love my beef, pork, chicken MMM!
those who are able to and able to continue doing so have my respect, because i know i would not survive on such a diet.

now back to the whole reason why this topic was started:

being a Buddhist, killing anything is not considered good. but, that is why when we do consume living things (animals and plants) we give thanks to the LIVING THING that gave their lives to feed and nourish ourselves.
in my own views, i see nothing wrong with hunting for fun, as long as the animal that is hunted is not wasted. hunting for food, as it seems the majority of the people who have weighed in on this thread agree that it is ok.

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I think the only reason you disagreed with me in the first place was because you didn't fully understand what I meant. Enjoy your burger!

Yes let him enjoy it as it festers in his stomach, ultimately becoming bacteria that will plague his colon walls.:thumb:
 
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