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Japan's BW7 set: Plasma Gale

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Lugia isn't the thing that's scaring me.

It's that Colorless Machine.

I REALLY hate costless energy acceleration. In all of its forms and functions. There needs to be a cost associated with accel. But that's well and truly costless. And it's making me angry.

Why is it scaring you? Its way more balanced than DCE, though I guess that isn't setting the bar high. :lol:

Colorless Machine is an Item, but it only works for a specific Special Energy and attaching to a subset of Pokemon. The target Special Energy in question provides :colorless:. That's it in and of itself. Based on two legal target Pokemon we've seen, one may indeed have all Colorless attack requirements, but it needs [DEL]React[/DEL] Plasma Energy to attack at all. And it discards it, something I only just caught. Ouch. :eek:

Still viable as a Sweeper, and technically if the "donk" concept was being done, you shouldn't be attacking all that much with all that many anyway, but it does hurt.

The Pokemon that doesn't need Plasma Energy has one attack, and it is for :metal::metal::colorless:, so at best it saves one attachment. If your deck uses it, its going to be at least a 2-1 combo for three slots. Unless we get several more pieces of support, it might actually be as safe as such Energy acceleration can be.
 
uh-oh time for lugia donk at 4 DCE 4 Plasma Energy 4 Lugia 4 Colorless Mahcine and 4 Juniper D:

colorless machine is alright as it is, but when they make something TOO good it can get ugly real fast. Lugia is balanced as it is with its discarding of plasma energy. Fortunately we can't recover Special Energy yet without the lessthangood recycle. Once they make something to put it in your deck, Sableye will be too good in plasma decks. Hopefully they don't make a horrible mess of all this.
 
colress machine will be good if there are some good plasma pokemon and/or other plasma energy cards.

i think lugia will be good of there are good plasma support cards.
 
Lugia is the bdif with a huge load of energy accel. Seriously this is crazy. Lugia/Darkrai is what I think I'll play if nothing astounding comes from the rest of the set.

Granted it is ages away so it is irrelevant what I think now, but still. Theorymoning is fun.
 
Yay! We get a lugia! Hopefully we get more sp Pokemon so we can show the EX's what's up. thought (sp have regular hp= beast attacks!)
Edit: on the booster pack in the background there is a sort of cruise ship... SS unova?

I read someting about Lugia flying over the Team Plasma boats on Pokebeach. I think Team Plasma is using boats in BW2.
 
Maybe some sort of quad lugia W/1-2 non EX attakers could be made. The only reasons why I wouldn't do quad is becuase (as far as I know) all cards that bring back energys from discard, only bring back basic energy's and you can only have 4 plasma energys in a deck (cause there special). Also it would have a tough time with decks that play sigilyph (you would only be able to win by catcher, provided they get sigiliph out).
 
Maybe some sort of quad lugia W/1-2 non EX attakers could be made. The only reasons why I wouldn't do quad is becuase (as far as I know) all cards that bring back energys from discard, only bring back basic energy's and you can only have 4 plasma energys in a deck (cause there special). Also it would have a tough time with decks that play sigilyph (you would only be able to win by catcher, provided they get sigiliph out).
What I've been theorymoning is this 4 Lugia EX 3 Darkrai EX 3 Tornadus EP. This allows you to use Dark Patch for a quick Darkrai and energy switch for a quick lugia along with corless machine to help even more. Obv Energy Switch works with Tornadus t1 and later as well. Tornadus is there mainly for Sigilyph and the new Klinklang which will suck but still. Tornadus can abuse DCE as well so it is great in that respect also.
 
Lugia flying above a ship reminds me of XD: GoD. I hope there'll be a reference somewhere.
 
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I have been throwing around this idea in my head since last night-

Registeel EX (or maybe Darkrai)
Lugia EX
Sigilyph DRX
Sableye DEX
Ultra Ball
Communication
Ether
Corless Machine
Dark Patch
Pokedex

Something like, get a DCE on turn one, and either Dex/Ether or Ultra Ball/Dark Patch onto Registeel and get a turn 1 30 spread. Next turn set up a Lugia with the same combo and hope to hit those Plasma Energies while finishing off the 1-3 Poke's Regi damaged. It needs tweaking obviously but I really think something like this could work.
 
I have been throwing around this idea in my head since last night-

Registeel EX (or maybe Darkrai)
Lugia EX
Sigilyph DRX
Sableye DEX
Ultra Ball
Communication
Ether
Corless Machine
Dark Patch
Pokedex

Something like, get a DCE on turn one, and either Dex/Ether or Ultra Ball/Dark Patch onto Registeel and get a turn 1 30 spread. Next turn set up a Lugia with the same combo and hope to hit those Plasma Energies while finishing off the 1-3 Poke's Regi damaged. It needs tweaking obviously but I really think something like this could work.

Can't Dark Patch to Registeel for one thing....
 
Why is it scaring you? Its way more balanced than DCE, though I guess that isn't setting the bar high. :lol:

Um... DCE doesn't fuel powerful attack effects (Lugia EX is probably just the beginning), and wasn't deck searchable.
 
..."Get real"? You can only attack with Lugia EX four times in a game. Not all of those attacks are going to be KOs. How is that a deck?
 
..."Get real"? You can only attack with Lugia EX four times in a game. Not all of those attacks are going to be KOs. How is that a deck?
And you only need 3 cheap KOs or 2 EX KOs which either are 3 or 4 attacks. Your point is moot.

Also the deck I'm talking about is Lugia EX/Darkrai EX/Tornadus. More than enough attackers and a very consistent t1/t2 Lugia.

If you were to suspect the consistency of it then by all means do so, but to say 4 attacks with Lugia is not enough is preposterous.
 
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You can't spout off vague half-hearted retorts with "get real" and expect us to have a clue what you're talking about. Quad Lugia is the only thing I could possibly pull from what you were saying (t1/t2 Lugia EX in a deck not devoted to Lugia and nothing but Lugia... hm...) and that just doesn't make sense.

I will happily question the consistency of your deck, but that doesn't have much to do with the topic at hand. Let's not get deep into debates about what the format is going to be 6 months ago, and instead admit that neither of us have any idea what will and won't be viable at that point.

I really think they'll show some better/more interesting users of Plasma Energy, anyway. I wasn't around for Reactive Energy but, do you think they'll "reprint" some of the Reactive Energy attacks, in the same way they reprinted a bunch of Base Set stuff (Garbador = Muk, etc)?

belated edit: That's what I get for skimming the thread: YOU HAD stated your deck idea. Derp!
 
You can't spout off vague half-hearted retorts with "get real" and expect us to have a clue what you're talking about. Quad Lugia is the only thing I could possibly pull from what you were saying (t1/t2 Lugia EX in a deck not devoted to Lugia and nothing but Lugia... hm...) and that just doesn't make sense.

I will happily question the consistency of your deck, but that doesn't have much to do with the topic at hand. Let's not get deep into debates about what the format is going to be 6 months ago, and instead admit that neither of us have any idea what will and won't be viable at that point.

I really think they'll show some better/more interesting users of Plasma Energy, anyway. I wasn't around for Reactive Energy but, do you think they'll "reprint" some of the Reactive Energy attacks, in the same way they reprinted a bunch of Base Set stuff (Garbador = Muk, etc)?

belated edit: That's what I get for skimming the thread: YOU HAD stated your deck idea. Derp!
Ok let's just leave it at that. :] No hard feelings.

Let's see what happens in like 6 months or 9 months depending when the set comes and roll with it.
 
Can't Dark Patch to Registeel for one thing....

That totally slipped my mind. lol. Well, if running Regi then you would have to rely on Ether, if running Darkrai you could DP onto it and perhaps get a T1 Night Spear. There has to be a way to get a T1 spread and use Lugia to clean up... even if you have to use Minun from DEX or even maybe Landorus EX.
 
Remember these cards still aren't released in even Japan yet... we get Japan testing to see what kind of cards become viable (at least, in their format), and that helps us narrow down the choices even further.

Not to burst anyone's bubble if they want to test now, though. Inviable though it might be imo, quad lugia sounds fun.
 
Um... DCE doesn't fuel powerful attack effects (Lugia EX is probably just the beginning), and wasn't deck searchable.

It fuels any powerful attack that requires :colorless::colorless:. You know, like X-Ball. :thumb:

Both when it came out in Base Set and when it was first re-released into Modified via HeartGold/SoulSilver, being DCE "compliant" has been a major bonus. Cards generally need to work with it, or work well without it. It is an Energy card, that by itself speeds things up; :colorless::colorless: attacks can be used first turn. TPC forgets that a lot of balance issues come because powerful effects are available so soon... but that is an entire thread for another time. The only reason DCE isn't as big a deal right now is that many decks have alternative forms of Energy acceleration; Dark Patch/Dark Trance, Dynamotor, etc.

Focusing on the topic at hand, consider this; what if Colress Machine did not exist but instead Plasma Energy had the following effect added to it:

"When you attach Plasma Energy from your hand to one of your Pokemon, search your deck for another copy of Plasma Energy and attach it to that same Pokemon".

Sounds potent, doesn't it? Well... that would be a nerfed DCE. :lol: DCE provides twice the Energy for half the slots (or double the Energy for the same slots, depending on how you look at it). If you search and the second hypothetical Plasma Energy wasn't in your deck, it'd just whiff. The only upside would be that removal effects would only discard one and not both. Now since the "effect" is on an Item, it means you can combine it with any normal Energy attachment, but takes up to twice as many slots!

I hope I am not sounding harsh, but I do want to make my point clear, especially this last point; if Lugia EX is any indication, Plasma Energy will at least sometimes be used to restrict potent effects. Overflow probably exists as an Ability for a few reasons:


  • to keep the effect text of Plasma Gale from being huge
  • so that Garbodor can shut off the extra Prize taking effect.
  • if we get a Team Plasma's Technical Machine or other effect that gives Lugia EX access to another attack
  • So that Pokemon that copy attacks don't get the extra Prize effect.
So what about Plasma Energy fueling powerful effects? The way Lugia EX is worded, it restricts the powerful effect. Imagine if this was a "plain" Lugia EX, didn't have access to Colress Machine but also just needed to discard "an Energy" and not "a Plasma Energy"? That would be more potent, wouldn't it? Yes we don't know the rest of the set, but unless Team Plasma support provides a way to easily recycle those Plasma Energy, not discarding a Special Energy that only provides :colorless: would be better.:biggrin:
 
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