spazcrackers
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excellent article jimmy,i always appreciate your insight and attitude towards defying the norm. your not 'boring' like so many of the players i seem to see these days. keep it original bud. ;]
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-spaz
Jimmy Ballards guide to a Good Rogue deck...
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Every week I get a pound of coffee...
It's plain enough, man.
And, if you look at what was said, as I pointed out, the member made a reasoned point, which was answered with ad hominem argument...
That's the kind of thing you say when you got no ground to stand on. I know banginbox can say something substantial about his ideas; if it wasn't worth a reasoned response, then don't post.
It's plain enough, man.
And, if you look at what was said, as I pointed out, the member made a reasoned point, which was answered with ad hominem argument...
That's the kind of thing you say when you got no ground to stand on. I know banginbox can say something substantial about his ideas; if it wasn't worth a reasoned response, then don't post.
TODDakaESTEBAN
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you know brian is the one that said playtesting isn't that big a deal, if i were him i'd be really offended by your statement and if you know him which i'm sure you do, you know he's the last person that would netdeck
this guide to building a good rogue deck is pretty good and i think it's become over shadowed by people's opinions on whether or not magmorter can be built to be rogue, i don't care if it can or cant'. I think anyone that's sick of playing mirror match or feels that they've lowered themselves by playing an archetype, can benefit a lot from this, especially those who don't have the years and years of experience that jimmy does
so thank you
UnKnOwN 111
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what are you talking about? I NEVER NEVER NEVER said any name in my statement! I was speaking for the people that actually DO!!! People LOVE putting words in other peoples mouths on here, thats terrible imo.
and how you going to say "if i were him id be offended" YOUR NOT HIM!!!!!! omg
anywayss....
you did say something important in your post which i agree with and its the part in bold.
your welcome
Yea i hear where your coming from but you yourself had no ground to stand on either, since your basing your post/comment off of what you "THINK" he meant.
That was the LAST part in his post, he made a perfectly good point right before that, but just like in real life people find the one bad thing and attack it....lol :nonono:
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TODDakaESTEBAN
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hey man sorry if i got you wrong but i try to watch out for people that are respectful to me but i don't want to walk all over anyone my apologies
we all have different styles and that's a big part of what makes a rogue deck work, playtesting is important but i have to admit that i didn't play a single game with the deck that brought me to t8 in states before the event, i was familiar with the basic concept and the drastic changes i made were easy to adjust to
i mean playing a total rogue deck does require some testing but honestly if you know the decks you are trying to beat in and out you should have no trouble just picking the rogue deck and playing it if you understand the cards in it, i can't claim more than 12 games with the rogue deck i'm playing at regionals, but i've only lost 1 of them and i'm fairly confident about my usage of it, if you come up with a deck yourself you KNOW how it works IMO practicing is more important if your playing someone else's deck and don't understand all the combos and strategies
it's a matter of opinion
spoinkmaster
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Message got sent really wrong, was trying to point out SDs aren't viable this season, but instead made it look like I was bashing/flaming Jimmy (and I went overboard with comments =\), sorry.
~spoink (But still, go through all the SDs from this year, try to find one that did decent)
~spoink (But still, go through all the SDs from this year, try to find one that did decent)
TcgPlayer2006
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Good post Jimmy, all that you said is true. I hope to see you in Orlando and talk some words. Seeya!
furrymuskrat03
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Thanks Jimmy. I had posted a rogue deck, but read your thread and took at off as quick as i could! Good luck at future events,
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UnKnOwN 111
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Well i got lost in top8 to jason k using the REAL 4 Corners, not that fake **** that was posted on here:lol: and my friend got top4 losing to jason k, with the SAME DECK, and of course its rogue. What you ggot to say about that?? Those are from this year, and did better than decent, top8 and top4 at the MW Regionals is good! I didnt find one, i found 2! Do your homework next time!:thumb:
rhodesia123
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not as good as winning regionals, which is what he did :|
well read alot of what is being said here.... the issue is that avery big majority is using more or less the same deck with a minor tweak here and there . I feel also using the same 20+ popluar /effective cards over and again DOES make for a stale game play 
I'm not the braggart that states all the accollates I've acheive since starting in pokemon OP 5 years ago, but I will say this The spirit of the game is slowly dying and a few spoiled indiviuals are to blame;...Jimmy I don't personally know you but I really enjoyed what you posted in this thread and hope your "arthmetic " deck does well in any tourney you enter .....with that said I feel that a new more robust game need toibe played/ I know POP hasn't banned any cards as long as I 've been playing(not counting cards that rotated out) but to bring a freshness to the game maybe until more cards are released -that banning certain card may impose newer fresher ideas not building the same 20+ mods deck theme or the overly used term "meta -game ".....Just saying .
I'm not the braggart that states all the accollates I've acheive since starting in pokemon OP 5 years ago, but I will say this The spirit of the game is slowly dying and a few spoiled indiviuals are to blame;...Jimmy I don't personally know you but I really enjoyed what you posted in this thread and hope your "arthmetic " deck does well in any tourney you enter .....with that said I feel that a new more robust game need toibe played/ I know POP hasn't banned any cards as long as I 've been playing(not counting cards that rotated out) but to bring a freshness to the game maybe until more cards are released -that banning certain card may impose newer fresher ideas not building the same 20+ mods deck theme or the overly used term "meta -game ".....Just saying .doppelganger
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as soon as i saw gardy, i loved it, shame everyone else did. thats my reason for not playin it.
it takes people like us to keep the game interesting, of course you're better at it, but we all start somewhere.
for me the red face paint player is the highlight of any tournney, when they thrash someone you know they've built that deck entirely themselves, which is max respect.
keep out the box bros., just as i will. :thumb:
-respect-
it takes people like us to keep the game interesting, of course you're better at it, but we all start somewhere.
for me the red face paint player is the highlight of any tournney, when they thrash someone you know they've built that deck entirely themselves, which is max respect.
keep out the box bros., just as i will. :thumb:
-respect-
UnKnOwN 111
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With what deck?? Gardy or Magmortar or Hurricane? or maybe even a Blissey??
and by the way i NEVER said it was better. He said go through all the sd's this year and tell him which ones did decent and i did that so dont try and change it up.
Politoed EX
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Jimmys 4 Corners also won a Regional
so right now it has (as far as I know):
2 Top 16 Finishes in masters (a top 8 and top 4)
and has won a Regional
that sounds pretty darn good to me
sebastianlugo
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Surprise factor! only affect non skilled players!
G-Dog4377
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And that is where my post begins. I put together a deck that got top 8 at California states, and 4-3 at SoCal regionals, but I had a very close chance of making that top 16 if it hadn't been for one crushing loss on time that I had won in about 4 minutes. Oh well. Anyway, vanderbilt grad has persuaded me to go ahead and post it so people can see it, as there is no point keeping it secret anymore, and that I think it would indeed benefit the board members.
Name: Electivire
Comments: Electivire DP/Electivire SW/Delcatty PK
TOTAL CARDS: 60
POKEMON: 20
2 : Electivire, SW-25
2 : Electivire, DP-3
3 : Elekid, DP-48
4 : Electabuzz (d), DF-29
2 : Delcatty, PK-8
2 : Skitty, PK-62
4 : Pachirisu, GE-5
1 : Stantler, SW-113
TRAINERS: 23
3 : Night Maintenance
3 : Switch
3 : Celio's Network
2 : Island Hermit
1 : Castaway
3 : Roseanne's Research
2 : Team Galactic's Wager
3 : Strength Charm
3 : Crystal Beach
ENERGY: 17
3 : Heal Energy
2 : Cyclone Energy
12 : Lightning Energy
It has pretty good consistency. I could go into the nuances of it if you folks would like. And another thing to note, many hours of playtesting went into this, and my success is very largely based on it.
XYZ_Sniper
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^ what does that have to do with anything we are talking about??
anyways the deck Arithmic *however u spell it* did amazingly well at regionals
and rouges can include anything you want even if your freinds league leaders and judges disagree *i personally thing this is the problem since many of the seinors i know are not open minded and how a good red face paint or underrated card can win*
anyways the deck Arithmic *however u spell it* did amazingly well at regionals
and rouges can include anything you want even if your freinds league leaders and judges disagree *i personally thing this is the problem since many of the seinors i know are not open minded and how a good red face paint or underrated card can win*
vanderbilt_grad
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It has EVERYTHING to do with a discussion about rogue decks in general. By posting a list he contributes both to the general discussion about how rogues can do well. How many folks here would have expected Vire to get Top Cut in a State this season? G-Dog4377's comments about testing and actually playing the deck is huge too. I think that a lot of folks look at a list and dismiss it out of hand ... or if they try it they give up quickly if it fails once or twice against w/e they are testing first.
For example I had tested both Gyarados and Pidgeot in several decks without much success and moved onto other things, but when Jimmy posted "the Answer" I got it. I was able to make it work based on my previous play with both pokemon seperately. Arthmetic is a LOT harder for me as I've spent less time with Banette than I did with either 'Dos or Pidgeot ... and next none at all with Cresselia prior to seeing his list. It's not that I can't play or get the basic strat ... it's just that it's a deck that takes time to really understand the fine points of playing.
I'm am positive that there are some great players out there who can just "get" things on the fly and do well with it, but by and large for many of us here on the gym it's the old "practice makes perfect" thing to do well with a given deck.
I *loved* Vire when it came out and had a FlyVire list that I really liked. It makes me happy to see another Vire list and to hear about someone doing well with it. I'll have to mess around with him some more at some point. Thanks for sharing G-Dog4377!
G-Dog4377
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yeah, I did a Flyvire deck during Cities, but having a stage 2 dragged down consistency, and I didn't have an energy in my hand all the time anyway. That list almost always guarantees you the extra energies. And it can easily dismissed after a few tries because its weaknesses are rather easy to exploit unless you play it right. That is what made playtesting so valuable.
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