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Alex2K in all seriousness is there something wrong with you?
Sometimes you just act like a normal person and other times you feel the need to troll the heck out of us.

Let's get back on topic PLEASE.
 
GUYS, let's please at least PRETEND to keep this on topic, okay? I understand Alex is an idiot, but let's just leave it at that and let him exhaust himself pretending we care. Remember, every post you make targeting him is a victory! (Read: every time you respond to Alex, you doom yourself to a top cut misplay)

Here's my current running guess on what Andceo ran. I'd say there's between 5 and 10 cards of uncertainty, centered around things with "?" next to them.

4-3-2|Prime//1|SF-1 Gengar Lv. X
2-2-2 Vileplume [[A guess. He could have played a thinner line, if he wanted more stuff.]]
2-1 Uxie [Known, though a second Uxie X is technically possible]
1 Mr. Mime [more?]
1 Azelf
4 Spiritomb
1 Unown Q?

4 Pokemon Collector
4 Bebe's Search
3? Twins
2 Lost World
4 Seeker
2? BTS
2 Copycat?
1 Palmer's?

6 Psychic Energy
3 Rescue Energy
2 Call Energy
2 Warp Energy

He made no mention of Copycat anywhere but in my experience it's what makes Vilegar and variants consistent, so that's why I stuck it in. I've not tested Vilegar much since Twins was released; hypothetically Twins could make the deck far more consistent, so he may have had a different energy or BTS count, no Copycat, and 4 Twins instead (something like that anyway).

The idea was to start Spiritomb, Grace into Plume and Gengar, and use the appropriate strategy as the tournament situation demands. It was really built around the tournament setting; Andceo is very clever, and knew that he had to be prepared for both quick top cut games (SF Gengar) and longer easier games (Lost World + Gengar Prime). A variant hellbent on either would have problems with a specific type of match.

This is just my current understanding and construction, anyone else with better insight or experience is welcome to add to it.
 
Alex 2bh you have some good ideas. I thought Roselock looked cool, and Typhlosion too omaybe. However, I mean, seriously. You overhype your work way too much. Just a reminder; you're not the best player in the world.
 
GUYS, let's please at least PRETEND to keep this on topic, okay? I understand Alex is an idiot, but let's just leave it at that and let him exhaust himself pretending we care. Remember, every post you make targeting him is a victory! (Read: every time you respond to Alex, you doom yourself to a top cut misplay)

Here's my current running guess on what Andceo ran. I'd say there's between 5 and 10 cards of uncertainty, centered around things with "?" next to them.

4-3-2|Prime//1|SF-1 Gengar Lv. X
2-2-2 Vileplume [[A guess. He could have played a thinner line, if he wanted more stuff.]]
2-1 Uxie [Known, though a second Uxie X is technically possible]
1 Mr. Mime [more?]
1 Azelf
4 Spiritomb
1 Unown Q?

4 Pokemon Collector
4 Bebe's Search
3? Twins
2 Lost World
4 Seeker
2? BTS
2 Copycat?
1 Palmer's?

6 Psychic Energy
3 Rescue Energy
2 Call Energy
2 Warp Energy

He made no mention of Copycat anywhere but in my experience it's what makes Vilegar and variants consistent, so that's why I stuck it in. I've not tested Vilegar much since Twins was released; hypothetically Twins could make the deck far more consistent, so he may have had a different energy or BTS count, no Copycat, and 4 Twins instead (something like that anyway).

The idea was to start Spiritomb, Grace into Plume and Gengar, and use the appropriate strategy as the tournament situation demands. It was really built around the tournament setting; Andceo is very clever, and knew that he had to be prepared for both quick top cut games (SF Gengar) and longer easier games (Lost World + Gengar Prime). A variant hellbent on either would have problems with a specific type of match.

This is just my current understanding and construction, anyone else with better insight or experience is welcome to add to it.


Weiirrrddd. This is almost an exact replica of my list.
 
Hahahahah Kayle is so bad at this game. Vileplume in LOSTGAR? aRE YOU on drugs? Works kinda like this bby boy.

4-3-2-2 Gengar X (weird but soo effective vs dgx)
1-0-1 Champ (Bye bye dgx :p)
1-1 Garchomp c x (not only does it setup cursed drop KOs, but also great for taking something out that dares to build vs you)
1 Mime jr (random zones are like <3)
1 Mr Mime (Looking for zoning)
4 Smeargle (duh)

Just the pokemon line. Figure the rest out. There is ssu, judge, disruption. DCE as well.
 
Alex 2bh you have some good ideas. I thought Roselock looked cool, and Typhlosion too omaybe. However, I mean, seriously. You overhype your work way too much. Just a reminder; you're not the best player in the world.

There is no best player in the world.
Yeah, the person who won worlds this year could go on parading he's the best in the world but then couldn't everyone who ever beat him say that, too? I don't beleive in the best.
 
Hahahahah Kayle is so bad at this game. Vileplume in LOSTGAR? aRE YOU on drugs? Works kinda like this bby boy.

4-3-2-2 Gengar X (weird but soo effective vs dgx)
1-0-1 Champ
1-1 Garchomp c x
1 Mime jr
1 Mr Mime
4 Smeargle

Just the pokemon line. Figure the rest out. There is ssu, judge, disruption. DCE as well.

2nd place Europe cup ran Plume so yeah...
 
I don't even know why he bothers sticking around here when no one likes him. Maybe it's a step up from his life at school. Who knows?
@Kayle-That list is pretty close. I've only seen the list with call taken out of it because 3 special energies is really over the top imo.
 
Europe!!! Hello! Torterra won their Nats. Europe is so bad besides Dennis Hawk. He makes europe good alone. Bby marios good as well. Otherwise...meh

hahahahaha ok replying to the sheer idiocy that went into this post is worth losing top 4 of provincials this year

You realize Torterra got third in US Nats the same year, right? Iirc?

Also - you do realize that every good player has to have an even-footing opponent near them, too, ne? Otherwise they can't get good. Dennis can't have gotten good without good players around him. Those players wouldn't even be on his level without others near THEM. Et cetera.

The UK playerbase is spectacular and Europeans are strong contenders all the way up to worlds; don't you remember that it was originally "FRENCH GYARADOS"??? Gyarados was UNHEARD OF until the French nats player told us about it - NOW IT'S STANDARD.


@Porii: His roserade lock iirc was a bunch of garbage thrown together that didn't make any sense, I guess it could have been something like hope? I don't even remember.

@Everyone else: How much success have you had with this style of build? I haven't had a chance to test it, just to think it through in my mind. Vileplume screws with my theorymon ability. =\
 
hahahahaha ok replying to the sheer idiocy that went into this post is worth losing top 4 of provincials this year

You realize Torterra got third in US Nats the same year, right? Iirc?

Also - you do realize that every good player has to have an even-footing opponent near them, too, ne? Otherwise they can't get good. Dennis can't have gotten good without good players around him. Those players wouldn't even be on his level without others near THEM. Et cetera.

The UK playerbase is spectacular and Europeans are strong contenders all the way up to worlds; don't you remember that it was originally "FRENCH GYARADOS"??? Gyarados was UNHEARD OF until the French nats player told us about it - NOW IT'S STANDARD.


@Porii: His roserade lock iirc was a bunch of garbage thrown together that didn't make any sense, I guess it could have been something like hope? I don't even remember.

@Everyone else: How much success have you had with this style of build? I haven't had a chance to test it, just to think it through in my mind. Vileplume screws with my theorymon ability. =\

Actually the only year torterra got third was 2008 when colin moll played it as a suprise.
 
@Everyone else: How much success have you had with this style of build? I haven't had a chance to test it, just to think it through in my mind. Vileplume screws with my theorymon ability. =\

I actually built the vilegar variant of lostgar before the ECC, and the results were in generally positive. It was able to hold up to luxchomp, but if you lost the vileplume for whatever reason you were in trouble. Luckily, with twins you almost always have a warp or rescue waiting.

On the other side, most other decks aside from luxchomp can easily tech a regice. That thing really hurts lostgar/vilegar. Especially when you're trying to stay ahead.
 
I actually built the vilegar variant of lostgar before the ECC, and the results were in generally positive. It was able to hold up to luxchomp, but if you lost the vileplume for whatever reason you were in trouble. Luckily, with twins you almost always have a warp or rescue waiting.

On the other side, most other decks aside from luxchomp can easily tech a regice. That thing really hurts lostgar/vilegar. Especially when you're trying to stay ahead.

How about Dialga issues? I don't mean stupid deafen shenanigans, I mean that they shut down Vileplume and Spiritomb, taking away your disruption advantage that makes it possible to stay afloat. We know the Level Down vs. Spray arguments, but sometimes a few turns of trainers is enough to screw with the opponent for the rest of the game.
 
Europe!!! Hello! Torterra won their Nats. Europe is so bad besides Dennis Hawk. He makes europe good alone. Bby marios good as well. Otherwise...meh

You are so stupid, you know the same deck placed top32 at worlds above a lot of good American players?
 
Ok, so just because a Lost Wolrd deck with plume takes 2nd at Europe on sheer luck (No offense), He won 3 sudden death games and had easy matchups. The Deck doesnt become the best way to play the deck. Another thing is there meta is completely different from ours. I agree with Alex2k that you need a very fast lost gar build with trainers to keep up with our meta, another point is our luxchomps mainly run DGX as a tech so good luck with plume haha.
 
Ok, so just because a Lost Wolrd deck with plume takes 2nd at Europe on sheer luck (No offense), He won 3 sudden death games and had easy matchups. The Deck doesnt become the best way to play the deck. Another thing is there meta is completely different from ours.

Is the meta for the ECC really THAT much different from the US?

Top 32 was . . .

16 Luxchomp
3 Vilegar w/ Lost World
3 Sablelock
3 Gyarados variants (including Mew/Gyarados)
1 Machamp
1 Dialgachomp
1 Magnezone/Regirock
1 Gigas
1 Vilegar

Do people think we all play Tangrowth or Lickilicky here or something?

another point is our luxchomps mainly run DGX as a tech so good luck with plume haha.

Do you actually KNOW what was teched into the European Luxchomps? Or is that a guess?
 
From reading Andceo's report most luxchomps were running ERl or dark techs. Guess a lot of people were expecting some lostgar. Although Andceo did get lucky at some points the deck is still good. Luck wont get you all the way to 2nd in a big tournament such as the ECC.
 
@ Everyone replying to Alex2k

You realise, as soon as you hit the reply button, you've already lost the 'argument'. His points are flawed and he knows that, he only posts to get a reaction, which everyone is giving to him. Don't feel the troll.
 
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