Ludicolo killer?
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BigChuck01
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Dom Jordan said:
Europeans don't suck, they're just worse than Americans. Europe didn't even consider Rock-Lock a good deck before battle frontier, when it was 100% unarguably the best deck in the format. (But that was ageed upon by sucky American Players like Jason K, Chris F, Matt M, Seena G, Alex B, ect...) Did any Europeans even make top 16 in any division at worlds? Don't use the excuse the America had more people playing either. Japan had less people than America and they SWEPT. Europe was simply OUTPLAYED due to their INFERIOR DECKLISTS.
So a bunch of self-endorsed americans declare something the best, it automatically is. Right...... Rock Lock has always sucked and has never been worth playing. I can speak for the UK not the whole of europe, but most UK players rightfully overlooked it from the start. Some players considered it and used it occasionaly, but it was never a good deck and lost whatever popularity it had long before Emerald.
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BigChuck01
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The only way to determine which country is better at the Pokemon TCG is to have them play against eachother. The only tournaments that has allowed Europeans to face Americans have been the two World Chamiponships. AT these two world championships, the Americans placed significantly higher than the Europeans, yet the Europeans are better than the Americans? At least my logic has evidence to support itself.
Chuck: "America has better players because we place higher at worldwide tournaments."
Dom: "Europe has better players because... I said so!"
*Rolls eyes*
Chuck: "America has better players because we place higher at worldwide tournaments."
Dom: "Europe has better players because... I said so!"
*Rolls eyes*
Whether Rock Lock might or might not have been the or one of the best decks in the format, how can you say "the Europeans" thought of RockLock as a bad deck and that´s another proof for them to be generally players worse to US ones? As the first part of my sentence showed, in my post, I don´t even care, if Rock Lock is or was or will be or whatever THE deck. Is just want to ask where the hell did you know from "the Europeans" to be in general underestimating this deck. Just because Dom Jordan said so some times on the boards here? Or, even if there were other ones stating, don´t you think it´s a bit strange to conclude to " the Europeans" just by hearing the opinions of some few stating it here.
Btw, I know for sure, some Europeans Top16ed, but I don´t really know how many. Of course less than Americans. Though you just say "Don´t argue with the fact much more Americans than Europeans because the Japanese also had this disadvantage and still had great results", that´s not true. Sorry, but when America has enormous advantages just in terms of the amount of players in comparision with Japan and Europe, but Japan had still better results than America, the advantages America had over both, Japan and Europe aren´t negated... I don´t really understand your conclusion here...
Another thing is the sentence "They(Europeans) are just worse than Americans". Eh sorry, whom?
Is the average American better than the average European? In this case, neither this statement being true nor false can be proved and even if so, it wouldn´t have much content. Or did you mean, each American is just a stage higher than an European? So f.e. the top-players in Europe would be good ones in America, the good ones in Europe average ones in America etc? However ,I´ll not comment that now....
EDIT: directed at your 1st post on this subject, 2nd wasn´t on as I wrote this.
Btw, I know for sure, some Europeans Top16ed, but I don´t really know how many. Of course less than Americans. Though you just say "Don´t argue with the fact much more Americans than Europeans because the Japanese also had this disadvantage and still had great results", that´s not true. Sorry, but when America has enormous advantages just in terms of the amount of players in comparision with Japan and Europe, but Japan had still better results than America, the advantages America had over both, Japan and Europe aren´t negated... I don´t really understand your conclusion here...
Another thing is the sentence "They(Europeans) are just worse than Americans". Eh sorry, whom?
Is the average American better than the average European? In this case, neither this statement being true nor false can be proved and even if so, it wouldn´t have much content. Or did you mean, each American is just a stage higher than an European? So f.e. the top-players in Europe would be good ones in America, the good ones in Europe average ones in America etc? However ,I´ll not comment that now....
EDIT: directed at your 1st post on this subject, 2nd wasn´t on as I wrote this.
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Dark Umbreon
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BigChuck01 said:
At least people in my area did. It emerged together with dark heart and some other Rocket weenie swarms. However it was considered to be equal to Dark Heart. The deck used to be called Desert Storm here but the name was not real politically correct to statethe least. Allways like the name Neverland best. The other names are real fishy but thats up to personal preference. At least the name is not made up of parts of the main hitters
.Don't forget to factor in the distributor difficulties a lot of European countries experience. Same of them have been even discussed on this board. If you use statistics you are allways well advised to know your data :wink:.
Those assistance lines indeed assist Ludicolo a lot but there are numberous other good decks out there. I would personally bet on a rogue weenie rush deck :tongue: given the current possible environment in American and European countries. We allready talked about that.
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That's a good point.
Analysing it a bit deeper it comes up with these conclusions for participation and positions at worlds:
1) Japan has a lot of good players
2) America has a lot of players
3) Europe has few players
On average, it doesn't take into consideration the skill level of non-japanese players. All it does prove is that Japan has the good players.
At least that makes sense...... TTar/Amph/Rock/(Pidgeot) decks only "lock" bad setups, thus generally speaking, Rock Lock is not a sensical name.
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Dark Umbreon
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Hi Dom Jordan,
Since we use japanese cards here the deck had no searcher or Magcargo most of the time since Pidgeys are rather hard to obtain here. Reality of card supply :wink:
Since we use japanese cards here the deck had no searcher or Magcargo most of the time since Pidgeys are rather hard to obtain here. Reality of card supply :wink:
TheLegendKiller
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Well, speaking as a British player and one that has been to Worlds. The players in the US are far superior to the UK players that is. And i would say they are also better than the Europeans, but who says we cant be better than them at this World Championships. So Dom take the challenge and show them that they are better than the British!!!!
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ToysRUsKid
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Rock-Lock was the best deck pre-Frontier, why? If the thing gets up, it DOESNT lose. Period. But that was the problem in my eyes, getting it up consistancy every game by turn 2/3/4.
I'm staying out of the Ludi arguement, as you guys don't have a clue what your talking about. As you guys are saying, Genesis Sneasel was a god awful card.
I'm staying out of the Ludi arguement, as you guys don't have a clue what your talking about. As you guys are saying, Genesis Sneasel was a god awful card.
TheLegendKiller
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ToysRUsKid said:
Well i agree, Rock-Lock was the best deck then, but it was just if u look to a proper Rock-Lock list, many players in the UK decide to create there own versions rather than follow the actual one. Therefore there decks arent going to be that efficient. So we cant really say that its a crap deck, but we can say that the player is bad! Btw im speaking from experience seeing that ive actually played against several badly built "rock-locks"!!
Sceptile7990
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Anyways, Rock Lock was definetly the best deck in the format.
Oh and no, Electrode is a terrible Ludicolo killer. Ancient Tomn, Kingdra all make that card worthless. Also, y ou may kill one of their colos but they just bring out another colo and kill your trode. Its pointless and the deck space can be used for more consistency.
Oh and no, Electrode is a terrible Ludicolo killer. Ancient Tomn, Kingdra all make that card worthless. Also, y ou may kill one of their colos but they just bring out another colo and kill your trode. Its pointless and the deck space can be used for more consistency.
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(...senseless stuff...) - EDIT: Sorry misunderstood you, you meant Electrode as Tech like the thread originally said (long, long time ago ;-) ) and I talked about the Dark one...
And Rock Lock was imo, just like ToysRUsKid said very, very good, if it got setup. But not even in this case unbeatable. And quite hard to setup. So it was in conclusion, again just imo one of the best, and in America also the most-played, but never THE best deck.
And Rock Lock was imo, just like ToysRUsKid said very, very good, if it got setup. But not even in this case unbeatable. And quite hard to setup. So it was in conclusion, again just imo one of the best, and in America also the most-played, but never THE best deck.
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Dark Umbreon
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tolotos said:
Hi tolotos,
Its the Emerald Electrode people discuss here and it is indeed a bad tech versus Ludicolo. When faced with most other decks it is worthless and there are enought cards that can dish out onehundret to take Ludicolo down.
NoPoke
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in the mirror match of LudiCargo vs Ludicargo you are going to need something to prevent the match being determined solely by luck. This will become especially true if lots of players decide to go with LudiCargo.
There are many really strong decks out there at the moment but there doesn't appear to be an obvious candidate for the ultimate deck. Each has flaws. Flaws which may or may not lead to the decks' downfall depending upon the local metagame.
There are many really strong decks out there at the moment but there doesn't appear to be an obvious candidate for the ultimate deck. Each has flaws. Flaws which may or may not lead to the decks' downfall depending upon the local metagame.