Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Ludicolo killer?

what are you guys smoking? Simply because a good deck comes out you instantly think of a tech against it, most of the time it's a stupid weak stage one like electrode or grumpig. Why can't you just learn to play against the deck like the other players.

yah electrode ko's ludi in one hit, so do about a million other cards in the format. Do you really want to kill off consistancy simply to run a single tech that wastes that much energy?

Dom, shut up, every discussion seems to degrade to rock lock arguements, maybe if you had some decent proof outside the UK we'd believe you.
 
@Arcticjedi: In fact, it was Bigchuck, not Dom, whose post led to discussions about RockLock and other stuff and got this topic massively OT this way.
 
...Uh electrode isn't a great idea, Yeah it can KO it with one energy but you just wasted a boost for 1 attack you'll probably get knocked out because of...

Electrode's a no go, articjedi put up a great point about TeCHing

*Sigh* :Clap: i enjoyed reading the arguement!

Tom
 
Articjedi said:
what are you guys smoking? Simply because a good deck comes out you instantly think of a tech against it, most of the time it's a stupid weak stage one like electrode or grumpig. Why can't you just learn to play against the deck like the other players.

yah electrode ko's ludi in one hit, so do about a million other cards in the format. Do you really want to kill off consistancy simply to run a single tech that wastes that much energy?
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Could not have said it better :cool:.

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Dom, shut up, every discussion seems to degrade to rock lock arguements, maybe if you had some decent proof outside the UK we'd believe you
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See what tolotos pointed out. I would like to ad a line with regard to the decentness of proofs. If you assume that the metagame in Europe or Japan does not generalize to the United States you necessarily need to assume that experiences from the United States do not generlize to Japan or Europe eighter from a oure logivally point of view. In essence you would assume a mixture distribution here if you would consider a mathematical model of the global metagame. If this holds true - or if we take this as a valid premisse - experience from eighter environment is a worthy as from another one with respect to global generality. Another approach would be to model the conditioned odds for possible action sequences and simulate them over hugh sample. You can also built in parameters which loosely resamble different skill levels - for instances as odds to detect action affordances. This procedure would lead to an more unbiased view of a deck since you freed it from environmental conditions because you simulated a range of them. However, who would like to do that kind of work for a card game?
 
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Europe was simply OUTPLAYED due to their INFERIOR DECKLISTS.
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I played some european national champ who had some horrible swampert deck.... he got owned

Id have to agree with the inferior decklists, at least at last years worlds
 
A certain Group of People that chuck mention have the perfect Ludi list, I have sean them and i doubt an Electrode with 70 hp will pose a threat if anythign by knockign soemoen out you help their decks, lol.

BTW
America > Europe
Poptarts > Eggs
And hopefully
America > Japan
Michael J = Jail

Just my thoughts
 
There's plenty of pokemon that will ohko ludi, but that doesn't mean it's THE tech to beat it. You don't beat gardy by running more psychic pokemon, you don't beat blaze by teching in water. Simply because the card says weakness doesn't mean that that's the deck's weakness.

Better to pick on other things like the flaws in the deck. For example, ludi only has room for three or four main attackers, why not chew on that?
 
I didnt call it THE TECH. It was just a suggestion. There have only been like 15 posts in this thread about this topic.

KEvin
 
Articjedi I don't see the need for you to tell me to shut up when all the points you seem to be making agree with mine. And as tolotos pointed out I did not turn this into any thing about Rock Lock, in fact I have been staying away from that topic as much as has been neccesary.
 
In that case I'll have to apologize.

I think there's been enough said in this thread, I'm afraid I can't reveal much either, being one of the developers of these non pokegym ludicargos alex just mentioned.
 
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Ludicargo is, in my opinion, the most consistent fast deck on the field. How did Magma win worlds? Consistency and speed. Don't put Ludicargo out of the picture because of some simple electric weakness. Kingdra exists you know.
 
you have missed some additional factors in Magma's success. It was the perfect counter to the USA metagame which was mostly Blaze, shiftry, guardy. grass which might give magma some dificulty wasn't played.

Ludicargo has to work consistantly in an environment that WILL have strong electric decks. SO I don't think that comparing Ludicargo to Magma is appropriate. Even the statement that Ludicargo is the most consistant deck is suspect given just how consistant Dragonite-Electrode is. I'm not knocking Ludicargo as I bought some swing dance off Ebay once I say the synergy between smooth over and swing dance. I'm a sucker for synergy in decks! But I wont be playing Ludicargo untill I've figured out how to survive in an electric rich environment.
 
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My point was this: Pidgeot gave every deck consistency, but with four Battle Frontier Ludicargo removes that setup consistency with Pidgeot. You are right about the perfect counter thing with Magma, maybe that comparison wasn't appropriate. What I am saying is that Kingdra can remove electric weakness, plus Lidicargo sets up really quick and if your opponent fails to set up as quick he will be in a bad situation. I AM NOT a Ludicargo player. Magcargo is ugly, Pidgeot is beautiful. There are a lot of decks that are playable now. I am not one to push a deck aside and call it bad. The statements that some people made earlier in this thread were asuming a Ludicargo deck ran just Ludi and Magcargo. I am sure that a Ludicargo player would put in Kingdra, or something else to fight an electric deck.
 
teching against Ludicolo is not that great of an idea. Like it has been said they can easily play Kingdra (even Ancient Tomb) to get rid of weakness, but at the same time the deck swarms so well that yeah you might get 1 prize with your random lightning Pokemon tech but another Ludicolo will just come right back and start beating you up again. Zapdos... well all Zapdos has going for it is speed. The deck doesn't have very great consistancy, really lacks power later game, and has no comeback ability. =/ Lets not forget the power of Scramble Energy that Zapdos gives to every deck with it's early k.o.s.

Best thing to do is to learn how to play against the deck, that's how you get better anyway. Teching all the time won't help you improve or even win for that matter.
 
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Wait. Zapdos doesn't have consistancy? Zapdos has the best consistancy in the game. If you run 8-12 basics with recharge, and lanette, you can guarantee a T2 zapdos in most matches. Not trying to make zapdos sound better than it is, but if Zapdos has anything, it has consistancy on it's side.

Gotta agree with everything Peachyoto said other than that.
 
Yeah it has consistency that's true, if you play it right (requires more energy than most people use) it becomes its redeeming feature, on a par with the speed. Zapdos lacks solidity, in that you KO the bird, its in serious trouble. It can put this off against weaker decks, actually weaker decks will fall to pieces against Zapdos because legendary ascent will just outlast them. Consistency? Good Zapdos decks are very consistent.

As for Ludicargo, it doesn't have this godly kind of recovery speed that certain people are talking about. Sure you can Scramble, yes you can attack straight away if you get a KO, but good players come up with tactics to play against this. Good players plan many turns ahead. Even the entire game scenario if need be, and you can work out easily what you can afford to sacrifice to KO a 'Colo. Of course.... some decks just won't have the capabilites but the majority of good ones at the moment do have easily enough of what it takes to outlast Ludicargo.

If 2 Colos go down 1 after each other, the chance are you won't be able to get a third out straight away. It doesn't realistically swarm as well as it seems it should, or would... Since you Smooth/Dance for what you need then.... Scrambles, evolutions, etc.... And Ludicargo can be matched for recovery by most if not all the decks I listed. I'm not saying its a bad deck, its a pretty good one with Frontier, if you use it right (Admin), but you will not need a "Ludicolo killer" per say.
 
America? Europe? What's the difference. All of you wish you were at The King of the West's level. I am simply God's gift to Pokemon. All the top decks right now were inspired by me. Why woulden't they be? I invented them. I don't care if your name is Chuck, Dom, or even Hellmuth. You won't stop me nor the Dynasty this season.

All you old players trying to advance, it's all over now, take it like a man.
 
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not to mention if anyone has read the regional results yet, ludi probably isn't the top deck right now. The stuff you have to fight is almost untechable.
 
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