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Mewtwo, Darkrai, Rayqauza EX ALL to be tin Promos in Fall

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This is actually a terrible move for Pokemon if they want people to buy Booster Packs. It's a great move if they want to make and sell those tins specifically. That may be what it is - there's a lag in sales now and they know that if they make these tins they're going to have an outstanding 3rd and 4th Quarter. It's like the Dialga and Palkia boxes, or the Yanmega box.

But I find that these news bum me out more than anything, and even if you're a player that can't afford these cards, it should bum you out too. Why? Because the amount of potential 'loot' you make off buying a booster pack is extremely reduced. Seriously, would you rather buy a DEX or NDE booster pack and hope to get a $15 card or a $50 one? Having the chance of pulling which one of those two will actually make you excited about buying a pack?

I mean, let's not even talk about the costs. Each booster pack costs $4 and if you pull nothing, the contents of the $4 you spent are now worth less than $1. but we do it because we hope to buy a small amount of boosters and get a super awesome valuable card (spending $4 to get a $50 card). Now why would you buy a $4 pack when the best thing you can get is worth $15? And the card rarity is still the same. To answer that question, just look at how little packs of Undaunted anyone would buy... or any set that isn't NDE or DEX right now.

If anything, all this will do is make me less excited about buying or even winning packs. I don't really have an incentive anymore if I know the rewards aren't there.
 
It's interesting, because if true, those cards aren't going to be as cheap as many think. When playable cards that are worth upwards of $40 are reprinted, they promos usually still end up being in the $10-$15 range. Which is where I'd expect at least 2 of the 3, if not all of the three to be.

Drew
 
Didn't Yanmega fall from $40 to $5? Or was that also because Yanmega's time being 'top dog' was also gone?

I think you make a good point about the prices, Drew, but I feel that if the cards ARE worth $10-15, people will buy up so many more tins (increase in demand will be matched by an increase in Supply I'm guessing) that they will eventually fall to $5 each. A $10-15 price range for a tin promo just isn't sustainable. If it were, I'd buy them by the hundreds.
 
Swordfish1989 said:
This is actually a terrible move for Pokemon if they want people to buy Booster Packs. It's a great move if they want to make and sell those tins specifically. That may be what it is - there's a lag in sales now and they know that if they make these tins they're going to have an outstanding 3rd and 4th Quarter. It's like the Dialga and Palkia boxes, or the Yanmega box.

But I find that these news bum me out more than anything, and even if you're a player that can't afford these cards, it should bum you out too. Why? Because the amount of potential 'loot' you make off buying a booster pack is extremely reduced. Seriously, would you rather buy a DEX or NDE booster pack and hope to get a $15 card or a $50 one? Having the chance of pulling which one of those two will actually make you excited about buying a pack?

I mean, let's not even talk about the costs. Each booster pack costs $4 and if you pull nothing, the contents of the $4 you spent are now worth less than $1. but we do it because we hope to buy a small amount of boosters and get a super awesome valuable card (spending $4 to get a $50 card). Now why would you buy a $4 pack when the best thing you can get is worth $15? And the card rarity is still the same. To answer that question, just look at how little packs of Undaunted anyone would buy... or any set that isn't NDE or DEX right now.

If anything, all this will do is make me less excited about buying or even winning packs. I don't really have an incentive anymore if I know the rewards aren't there.
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You make a good point. However, many people are still gonna buy packs. They know that.

Also for DE, there is still Tornadus. He's not $50 but he's still a money card. I'm pretty sure we'll another Mewtwo/Darkrai in our August set(Terrakion maybe)? So yeah, your reasons make sense but people will but regardless.
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This is a great move for Pokemon because it forces the secondary market to keep their card prices in a reasonable range because Pokemon can drop this ball pretty fast if they need to. It's good to see them keeping the market in check.

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QD4U said:
^ Rayquaza EX will probably be 5 $ as soon as people realize that it's not so great
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Rayquaza ex was good in every format it was printed in. What makes you think it won't be good now or are you going to wait for a list to win to say it's good?
 
Basically the only change this means right now is that people won't horrid them...which is a good thing.
 
vaporeon said:
This is a great move for Pokemon because it forces the secondary market to keep their card prices in a reasonable range because Pokemon can drop this ball pretty fast if they need to. It's good to see them keeping the market in check.

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Rayquaza ex was good in every format it was printed in. What makes you think it won't be good now or are you going to wait for a list to win to say it's good?
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You're telling me since Gengar has been good in previous formats, Gengar Prime good now? Nice logic there mate.

Rayquaza is total trash, it doesn't take much to see that. There's a reason why it didn't make Japan's top 16.
 
Swordfish1989 said:
Didn't Yanmega fall from $40 to $5? Or was that also because Yanmega's time being 'top dog' was also gone?

I think you make a good point about the prices, Drew, but I feel that if the cards ARE worth $10-15, people will buy up so many more tins (increase in demand will be matched by an increase in Supply I'm guessing) that they will eventually fall to $5 each. A $10-15 price range for a tin promo just isn't sustainable. If it were, I'd buy them by the hundreds.
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Yanmega was released in a reprint box, causing the price to drop.
 
CeNturist said:
You're telling me since Gengar has been good in previous formats, Gengar Prime good now? Nice logic there mate.

Rayquaza is total trash, it doesn't take much to see that. There's a reason why it didn't make Japan's top 16.
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Just because the Japanese don't win with it does not mean its bad. On the Gengar Prime matter, it's really good. Taking away your opponents setup pokemon is huge but you're one of those players that just play what wins so that attitude is expected.

If you played during the last EX format, this rayquaza was a top tier deck, able to do 120 damage every turn. Another rayquaza, while not its own deck played a similar role Mewtwo ex plays now. This Rayquaza

This Rayquaza ex was played because it was a good 'get back into the game' card. Every rayquaza ex card had a impact on the format and now that they reprint the one from ex dragons, which has full support of the eels, you say its bad?

To each their own I guess.
 
Swordfish1989 said:
This is actually a terrible move for Pokemon if they want people to buy Booster Packs. It's a great move if they want to make and sell those tins specifically. That may be what it is - there's a lag in sales now and they know that if they make these tins they're going to have an outstanding 3rd and 4th Quarter. It's like the Dialga and Palkia boxes, or the Yanmega box.

But I find that these news bum me out more than anything, and even if you're a player that can't afford these cards, it should bum you out too. Why? Because the amount of potential 'loot' you make off buying a booster pack is extremely reduced. Seriously, would you rather buy a DEX or NDE booster pack and hope to get a $15 card or a $50 one? Having the chance of pulling which one of those two will actually make you excited about buying a pack?

I mean, let's not even talk about the costs. Each booster pack costs $4 and if you pull nothing, the contents of the $4 you spent are now worth less than $1. but we do it because we hope to buy a small amount of boosters and get a super awesome valuable card (spending $4 to get a $50 card). Now why would you buy a $4 pack when the best thing you can get is worth $15? And the card rarity is still the same. To answer that question, just look at how little packs of Undaunted anyone would buy... or any set that isn't NDE or DEX right now.

If anything, all this will do is make me less excited about buying or even winning packs. I don't really have an incentive anymore if I know the rewards aren't there.
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I don't agree.

First: They'll sell booster packs no matter what. The tins aren't out for another 3~ months and even then people will still want non-promo versions of the cards and other cards from the packs. Even if Mewtwo EX and Darkrai EX are big cards, they're not the only cards in those sets.

It's a great move because they'll be selling a ton of these tins. Whether to collectors, players, or just little kids who think Mewtwo and Darkrai are cool. Tins usually come with packs, so even if they sell less booster packs as you claim, the packs sold in the tins somewhat make up for it.

"Loot"? I don't know any people who buy cards strictly to make a profit (I know they exist, but I go to a card shop where everyone's there to play). People buy packs because of various reasons. Finding cards needed for their deck seems to be the biggest reason. Seriously? Seriously I'd like to pull a Mewtwo to use it for myself, I don't care if it's a $15 or $50 card because it's going to be in my deck anyway. Now, if I pulled my 5th Mewtwo, maybe I'd care about the price tag, but you can always trade it off for pretty much anything else because people will still want it. I think you're buying packs with a different intent from most players. If you're goal is to pull the most valuable card, I think you're better off buying Yugioh cards.

I do think $4 a pack is way too much, but I wouldn't say your pack is worth less than $1. Many good trainers go for a decent amount and having a decent reverse foil doesn't hurt. But if that's what you're complaining about, you're doing it all wrong. You should already expect to take a loss when buying a pack and you're risking the chances of getting something worth a lot. You really can't complain about that. People will spend $4 on a pack so that they can get a card they need, who cares about value?

Anyways, in this case I guess I am lucky. I've always bought English packs and have had horrid luck, but starting with B/W I play with Korean cards (I live in Korea, lol) and boxes are around $10 for 30 packs (5 card packs). Despite not having a guaranteed rare per pack, you still get 2-4 EXs per box (usually 3, but can be 2 if you get a shiny, and can be 4 if you're just lucky). Noone here is buying these packs just to get valuable cards, we're all buying to complete our decks and I love it.

Honestly, I think/hope you're in the minority, because that's not what playing card games is about. Sure, getting that valuable card feels good, but pulling a Mewtwo EX feels good no matter how much it's worth because you know it will make your deck that much better.

Anyway, I'm not saying you're wrong, it's just that I don't agree.
 
Well I'm using an economic analysis to determine what makes a pack worth buying. I disagree in the whole aspect of buying packs for the cards you need because I think that's the easiest way you can waste money. For example, I could really use Pokemon Catcher right now (I own two), but if you asked me where I would rather spend, say $20 and you gave me the option of picking EP packs vs. DEX packs I'd go with DEX any day of the week. The chances of me pulling better cards from DEX (in other words, my expected return when you add in the market value of all cards in the set)) to trade for Catcher is way better than the odds of me pulling a Catcher (or even the other valuable cards in EP) in the EP packs.

This isn't about 'playing for profit', it's about financial common sense. Just because Pokemon is a hobby doesn't mean you throw financial common sense out the window. We all have limited resources and we all allocate these resources in ways which will maximize happiness. That's what my post is all about.

I don't buy packs to make a profit because it's the easiest way to bankrupt yourself. It's like buying lottery tickets and hoping to win - you may get lucky, but chances are you won't. But in the days where I do take my hard earned money and say 'I'd like to gamble' I will buy the packs where I have a better expected pay-off. I mean, if it was an actual lottery, would you spend $4 on a ticket where the jackpot was $1million, or the one where the jackpot was $10million? Which one would make you happier to win assuming the cost of the ticket and the odds of winning were the same?

Would you buy EP packs or NDE packs? What about Undaunted vs Triumphant? COL vs NV? Everyone knows the obvious answer to these, and whether we know it or not, we make the decision based on the # of good cards in the set and the value of those cards. There's a reason no one buys COL or EP.

If we're talking emotion here, what makes someone jump for joy the most? Pulling a darkrai ex or an entei ex? How much jumping for joy will people be doing after they come out in tins?
 
Depends how you look at it. I got the cards to play, not sell and I need them before September anyway.

Almost all set cards lose most of their value eventually anyway (how much are Luxray Xs right now?).
 
baby mario said:
Depends how you look at it. I got the cards to play, not sell and I need them before September anyway.

Almost all set cards lose most of their value eventually anyway (how much are Luxray Xs right now?).
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This. Luxray was one $80. Now it's $10. It was rotated out but that may not the ONLY factor in price drop. I believe Gengar Prime was one pretty high and now it's like $6.


And as for the packs, you could go through 30 DE packs and still not pull a Darkrai or Tornadus. Likewise, you could buy 4 DE packs and pull Darkrai or Tornadus and you still have to take the other EX cards into consideration. Not everyone can shell out the $ for them either.

Would you rather buy a tin where you are guaranteed Darkrai(or Mewtwo for that matter) or risk buying packs and the possibility of not pulling anything you want/need?
 
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Why are people complaining about losing money? For those that need Darkrai for their decks for Worlds/Nationals, Darkrai will only go UP in price before the tins come out. After Worlds, then Darkrai will Plummet in price, cause now you just need buy a tin to get it.

Also, for those that are thinking this is bad for pokemon, it's not. This is brilliant on Pokemon's part. Why? It makes people buy tins instead of paying for singles from independent stores. This way, all the money goes to them, instead of 50 dollars towards Troll and Toad.

If anything, this gives people that Have Darkrai's, and are not playing/collecting them for a set, be able to trade them High just before Worlds. After worlds, they can easily get those Darkrai back since the price will drop.




Those in the trade threads saying Darkrai isn't as valuable right now are bogus. They still have their value until after the tournaments are over. They are looking to pick them up cheap and get rid of them pricey just before worlds....
 
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