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If pods weren't grouped randomly, that's a problem. Although, showing up to register is somewhat random, groupings still shouldn't be based on when you register.

But, that problem, by itself, is not serious enough to cause PTOs to get fired. Maybe a "slap on the hand," and a warning to do pods more randomly next time.

Regarding qualified judges, we don't have a "certification" program for POP judges. I'm pretty sure Ives did his best to hire "test-certified" professors, but if they weren't available, he had to ask non-professors to help out.

I find that many players who are very good and knowledgeable, prefer to play rather than judge. When that happens, PTOs are stuck with hiring less-knowledgeable judges. That's just life.

I support Ives and have seen him in-person as a staff judge. I don't know how he is as a manager trying to run a tournament of 400 people. That would be a difficult task for ANYONE to manager without the help of quality staff.
 
Ives - your hypocresy is UNBEILIVABLE! seriously you're the best lyer (sp?) I've met my whole life.

Everything regarding OP for the last 6 years is true. I cannot vouch for Nationals as I did not attend it, BUT I can certainly vouch for EVERYTHING WeRo said. It's easy, take for example my only CC win this season, there were at most 30 people in the tournament, I went 2-2 and the judge got us to play between the 4 2-2 players for the 4th spot in Top 4 as he OBVIOUSLY could not figure out tie breakers AND Ives was not there. Well I won the 4th spot, and went on to win the tournament. Ives uploaded as if I had gone 8-0 undefeated with a 90 person attendance, and this is NOT a mistake, I can honestly say in the name of my life, my family's and everything I have that every single City Championship AND State Championship was uploaded with increased attendance. Ives lists around ten 10- players at every tournament, when in a CC I attended the single 10- won by going 0-5 as he was the only one. We brely ever have a 10- or 11-14 attendance except at Nationals and Gyms and they keep appearing out of nowhere in the tournaments Ives uploads. Add to that that he alwasy get the opponents wrong etc.

And yes before you all start saying email PUI, I already have, and as far as I can see nothing has been done and I dunno how they're investigating or what, and I am afraid speaking up might increase my suspension, but I will not let my friends and the mexico players be treated like this. I have heard from 40+ different people who attended the event who have said the same exact things, and notice everyone how he is making up things, 50+ people will not agree on lying about the same thing. I have been looked upon as a resource to get things straightened out as I am a fluent english speaker and can voice the opinions of these people who barely know english.

Also Ives claims in the Mexico TCG forums this tournament structured was agreed upon since the GAMA PUI meeting or whatever, well why weren't the players informed BEFORE the tournament to avoid confusion etc. and from what I hear, how come every judge had his own set of rules and the group that had the players Ives hates most had the most strict time limits and had 60´+ players disqualified. (Notice how Ives has not said this is untrue, and now he will say it because I mentioned it, or else he wouldnt :wink:)

My final point beign, NOBODY likes Ives other than his judges whom he feeds for free every tournament, if people dislike the bags, take the hint and DONT make them, invest that money in better judges, a better site (where 11-14 guardians can ACTUALLY go in), a MICROPHONE to announce every corrupt thing you're going to do, at least then the players will know how badly they will be robbed and maybe just skip the tournament as a whole.

I can think of so many people who could do his job a billion times better, but PUI has not listened to me, hopefully this will open your eyes.

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SteveP said:
If pods weren't grouped randomly, that's a problem. Although, showing up to register is somewhat random, groupings still shouldn't be based on when you register.

But, that problem, by itself, is not serious enough to cause PTOs to get fired. Maybe a "slap on the hand," and a warning to do pods more randomly next time.

Regarding qualified judges, we don't have a "certification" program for POP judges. I'm pretty sure Ives did his best to hire "test-certified" professors, but if they weren't available, he had to ask non-professors to help out.

I find that many players who are very good and knowledgeable, prefer to play rather than judge. When that happens, PTOs are stuck with hiring less-knowledgeable judges. That's just life.

I support Ives and have seen him in-person as a staff judge. I don't know how he is as a manager trying to run a tournament of 400 people. That would be a difficult task for ANYONE to manager without the help of quality staff.

If the same lame *** judges didnt judge the same tournaments then that statement might hold some truth, but he really does NOTHING for the game in Mexico, it is the independent tournament organizers, who run fun weekly tournaments for people to attend that make this game grow, not some lazy dude who SLEEPS through a tournament and not by mistake or him being tired, but him actually taking a bed to the tournament area.
 
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I'm a small player, but my guess is that running a tournament this size, is pretty difficult.
And I also think that the "good" mexican players are angry because they couldn't win due to their poor attention to rulings, pairings, etc. But out of 400 people, just a handful are making this kind of acusations. They can't accept defeat, and minimize the victory of people that also did good on the tournament. Maybe I'm loosing the point of the post, but still, it's important.
So anyway, POP and the PTOs know what they're doing.
Hope my english is clear enough.
 
before anything hi and sorry if I write anything wrong
the game cube........well I think ives mention that there are still thing to arrive, so as soon as the things arrive it will be given to the people who won it

and well here in mexico is well know that "wero" is trying to be or get the title of PTO in mexico for the last year so heres the thing
could this be that "wero" is trying to take advantage of this situation and thats why he open this post?
I mean the thing is that he lost because he stayed and wath a friends game, and that comin from a "pro player" in a national WOW¡¡¡¡ no coments
and pablo WHY ARE YOU SAYIN'?
just let me tell you ARE YOU THE ONE WHO PLAYED EVERY WEAKEND AT THE "GUERRERO JAGUAR WITH "WICHO'S POP ID"
SO PLEASE BETTER SHHHH

AND I ALMOST FORGOT
THE AIRBED JAJAJJAJAJAJAJAJ YEAH i REMENBER THAT WAS COOL AND FOR THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T REMEMBER IT WAS A STAFF JOKE HE DIND'T SLEEP IN A TOURNEY
JAJAJJAJAJAJ SORRY I REMEMBER THAT SCENE JAJAJA IT WAS FUNNY
 
This sux dude. Its sounds like the tournament was intentionally made to be run by guys who just will take the profits and give garbage. I fell bad for u down there having to go through that. I do hope POP does look into it and gives u a true nationals to make up for this.

Ive never in my days heard of even a cities run and funded that bad. I know once POP gets a hold of this they will look it over and punish all who are resposible for this mess. Best of luck in getting a 2nd natioanls to replace this mess.
 
i gotta say, THE REASON that several of those players were in the same pod was because there was a judge for each pod and in the entrace they told us to go in order, but EVERYONE wanted to register whit a girl who has big boobs who was registering the pod number six!!! obiously they did not know what were going to happen,

about the drops,,,, well,, the judges told everyone to stay in your area for the same reason,, i mean,, maybe i`m an ignorant but i don`t remember a rule that says the judge most wait until you come back from seeing how it went to your budies,, all i can see is only 10 people from the 400 that attend that is discontent for the consecuences of their own acts, drowned in their own arrogancy,, because those guys are the "team" of Pablo Meza who declaredhimself THE BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLDS 2005, unbeateable, invincible and a genious in deck/making, thathe would retire the year he doesn`t attend to worlds because in that case in not longer bussines for him,,all in the same forums listed in the first post that are the most important forum in mexico

a think they talki like this because they are angry but don`t have the balls to acept teir own mistakes, in mexico they called me ***-licker for suporting ives, i dòn`t get anything in change for do it and is not my intention, but please GET REAL.. a part of being a well standing player is accepting the looses, get conducted BY THE RULES, and in my philosopy a big amount of common sense,,, i gotta say that is a BIG reponsability to organice a tournament like this and all in here know tha before ives took the leadership of poke in mexico practicaly there was no organised play , or top players, or travel awards etc etc.... erveryone of us make their opinion, only show ya mine
 
Dañel: otro lame huevos. Yeah the air bed was quite a joke alright, the snoring was also a joke too? and you not letting the people pass to take photos of Ives asleep was a joke too? Sorry I missed it,

Wero has just been running tournament for the past year as there is no support from Ives other than supplying lame leagues to a single store. Way to support your job life!

Wero got dropped from a tournament by arriving after the 3 minute time limit, oh wait, that SHOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED. I wish I could curse here. Wats wrong with watching a friends game when you finished your first game in under 5 minutes? yeah thats quite a sin alrgith coming from a pro player.

Also why on earth would I play under Wicho's POP ID? To get ranking points? Don't be stupid, I guess the accusations of me using another POP ID came from Ives of course, had to be. There is NO REASON for me to do that, I love this game and am standing up to fight for what should be true OP here in MExico, why on earth would I risk extending my ban for mere WORTHLESS ranking points? yeah you're making alot of sense there.

What Dañel said is product of Ives's manipulation, Dañel is one of the judges whom I have met personally and he has NO clue as to anything rules wise

Ashram yeah I did declare myself the best player at Worlds 2005 because I was. Why does that have to do with this? You're so lame its so funny :wink: And bets part is you probably wont get half of what I posted, nor will Dañel.
 
I can think of so many people who could do his job a billion times better, but PUI has not listened to me, hopefully this will open your eyes.
LET ME GUESS...............START WITH "WE"........AND FINISH WITH ........"RO"
again like ashram said
i gotta say that is a BIG reponsability to organice a tournament like this and all in here know tha before ives took the leadership of poke in mexico practicaly there was no organised play , or top players, or travel awards etc etc..
the way I see if I lost in a tournamet because of me I would be very angry and problably I would't have the guts to admit my mistake, I'm surely will lookin someone to blame and sayin' things like
"ives hate me he want me to lose he manipulated the tourney" (like some people here have just said)
I mean can you believe it "oh I'm the head judge I hate you you lost" PLEASE¡¡¡¡ SOUNDS LIKE "DAD, MOM MY TEACHER FAILED ME IN MATH CLASS BECAUSE HE/SHE HATE ME"
and ives has never said to anyone "DO NOT TAKE PICS" and the snoring I think I'ts pretty simple look at me ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
see I'm snoring

AND ME A JUDGE?, I'm a scorekeeper
 
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Generally speaking, when lots of players are being dropped for failing to show up on time, there is some kind of communication problem.

There is an easy solution for that -- get a mega-phone, PA system (microphone), or speak through a voice cone (I used a voice cone at my Regionals).

If different pods start at different times, that is very chaotic -- at least during the swiss rounds.

This is yet another example of how there's a "rift" between players and organizers/judges in some places. The motives and reasons for arguments on either side of this issue, though important, appear to be biased. I like Ives, but I also know there's some great players in Mexico. Hopefully, both sides can come to an agreeable resolution before things get out of control.
 
see, what i mean, and this is eeeeeevery weekend

ok, you`re the greatest player in worlds 2005 but you did not win, that`s all AND NOBODY CARES!!

your arrogance is ruin you as it ruin your 2005-2006 season, but this tread is abbout compains in yhe national not about your life or the life of anyone here, you`re banned for a reason, your friend`s were dropped for a reason, and maybe a suck for a reason there`s nothing phylosofical in that,

damn,, this is not a discusion is spam,
 
yeah exactly what does that have to do with the topic so why did you bring it up in the first place? how did my arrogance ruin my 2005-2006 season? because conceding because I know I will not attend Nationals and want to give my friend the money is arrogance? ok....
 
I am not gonna take sides, However, Whether or Not something serious Happened I do not know...
However what i do see, is a lot of bashing on this thread, and that isnt gonna help... I think this thread is a little out of hand already, However, I do think that nothing can be done since it is in the past, I mean I really think whatever is gonna happen with will be decide by PUI asap when they reach a descion...

JMO...
Drew
 
I'm sure if there is anything wrong with the way Ives runs things it will be investigated and dealt accordingly by PUI,

As for 'Pablo y sus amigos', its hard to beleive the credibility of the posts (just because they are not posted on the 'Gym doesn't mean they don't exist), when anything not from the 'best' players is not deemed important/is attacked, make personal attacks.

yeah, a banned player and someone wanting to become a PTO would definately not be biased..

I don't even know anyone of you so to i am definately impartial but from what i've read (not just on the Gym or just during this incident), there is definately a lot more than just Ives being a 'bad' PTO you guys make him out to be.

of course thats from what I know, but those are just my two cents.
 
sigh, you know its so sad that the things turn out like this, POKEMON IS A BEATIFUL GAME where you can have fun meet people make new friends, and not finish friendships just because you lost a tournament etc etc
I dind't mean to ofend anybody if did I apologize just try to think clear you know, relax then post
:D
envy can kill anyone...............from inside
 
Do any of you think that the reason only 10 people are complaining is maybe because only 10 people are aware that what happened, shouldn't have?


As for what Pablo is saying, he is one of the most respected and trustworthy players in the game. If he's not telling the truth, I don't know what to believe anymore.
 
carlossan said:
stevep, just out of curiosity, how do you say sudowoodo correctly?
It's all in the intonation of your voice. Say it like you're speaking in one of those old Japanese Godzilla movies, while pointing off into the distance somewhere.


When two sides are at war, things get blown out of proportion sometimes, and both sides like to revisit past history. Get over Pablo's banning. Get over Ives' "sleeping mattress" joke. Past history. Has nothing to do with what happened at MX Nationals.

Ives does his best to run the biggest Pokemon tournaments outside US Nats and Worlds.

Pablo is one of the best players as he proved at Worlds 2005.

But, the "in-country" bickering is sad. Too bad, so sad, IMO.
 
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SteveP said:
Generally speaking, when lots of players are being dropped for failing to show up on time, there is some kind of communication problem.

There is an easy solution for that -- get a mega-phone, PA system (microphone), or speak through a voice cone (I used a voice cone at my Regionals).
Exactly. 10 minutes or no ten minutes, to have even two people dropped to such a surprise is amazing. I cannot see this happening in any American event. This problem must be addressed before the next major Mexican event. This is not the player's fault, the organizers must fix this.
That seems to be the only real problem here. It seems more allegations are just being thrown in as extra shots. The pod system seems fine, the delayed prizes make sense. But the people being dropped (or even 1 round loss) with evidently so little communication is ridiculous.
 
if a player doesnt show by the end of a round he was missing in, he is dropped from the tournament, so showing up too late does drop you out of a tournament just so that you know.

It might be true that the player is dropped, but do you know how easy it is to re-enter a dropped player in a tournament with the new software? All you do it click the player's name and then click re-enter. Then they can go on playing, and you wouldn't have had this many drop-outs! Because so many people being dropped from the tournament, I would say this had to do with miscommunication and possibly rounds starting on times that were not announced, these people should have been given the opportunity to re-enter the tournament if they really wanted to play.

I've heard alot about Mexican Nationals, and with 2 sides claiming such different things it's hard to make out what's true. But this is like Dutch Nationals in the fact that we had 6 rounds of Swiss without a break! 15+ were in a different location, 5 minutes walk from the main location. Now, I travelled there with numerous 10- and 11-14 players. Was I just supposed to leave them there from 1 to 6 PM? Now we were 'lucky' that staff had to walk back to the main location for computer uploads as well, so sometimes I could hurry back to check on the kids I travelled with, but it was not a good experience.

My point is, that players with siblings, children, friends, etc. in the younger age groups, will want to check on them. How is that possible if round times, starts, etc. are not announced properly, and when there is no scheduled lunch break?

These are some serious accusations in this thread, especially about the CC, and I really hope PUI is looking into it now.
 
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