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that is soo not true, the order in that prerealse was not let anyone except players in the tournamet area, jajajaj not mention that you getting people out ? jajajjajaja thats a good one you don't have the courage to do that,you are a COWARD, please do not write any more lies, I know this is a opne forum but you are showin' no respect to anyome, beacuse you are expectin' that the people who read this believe your lies
and what are you tryin' to get sayin' that kind of things¡¡¡¡¡? PLEASE DON'T LIE, I'm tired of see how you just don't care the game, like someones in this forum has said IF IT WEREN'T FOR IVES ORGANIZED PLAY IN MEXICO WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE
and I'm sorry Am I writting in the topic about the nationals right? so that thing about ex team rocket retunr prerelease thing was what? your secret special final WEAPON???????
 
hello all you people... lots of you know m other buch i dont think so..im a long time player of pokemon from monterrey mexico, were since the times of wizard of the coast i was helding tournaments at my own expense, cause wizard (they told me that mexico represent and incredible cost to support) never want to give me any kind of help with them...

when i get married and i had to travel to mexico city i meet a young guy that i befriend the same moment i meet him, his name, ives rountre.. he was trying to keep a little pokemon league in the last days of the wizard of the coast era, i play against him and have a lot of fun in his league, but then i had to travel to NYC to work and ive in contact with him by mail since then...


now as i read in this post and by mails i recive from people from mexico city, the things looks creepy about the pokemon tcg op in mexico city, a lot of player complaint about the way ives rule the league but now , thanks to the replys from the people in charge of the pokemon op, i hope all you guys notice how hard is for just ONE guy try to keep running a league by his own..

1- Ives put money from his own to keep his leagues, that pokemon op thinks r very expensive , running...

2.- ives had to deal with all the dutys of be a pokemon tournament organizer and a pokemon professor at the same time not just in mexico city but in all the other cities in the south part of my beloved country (since my other friend jorge keep the tournaments running in my hometown of monterrey)


So i Dont say that Ives do what all those guys swear he does, cause im not there to confirm the info, but either i can denied it , but one thing i can say is that be a tournament organizer by you own is very dificult , and more in one of the larger cities in the world, and i know that OP is doing everything they could to help either Ives and jorge to keep mexico running along with the other countrys, but what if ives want to make a little money with this?? he doenst recive a full supoport , and also he put his own cash to have the game he loves running in mexico...maybe is cause no all the people really knows and feels how hard is to be the man on charge...or maybe is cause the current rules r no made for "international" gaming, cause mexico is a third world country (if anybody doesnt know that already) and our economy is not the best , so prolly for all the people pay $20 bucks for a prerelease here in USA or in France or in germany is not that much money , but in mexico $200.00 pesos is almost the double than the pay one guy could earn per day .......


in conclusion.. maybe the problem in mexico is the lack of suppoort, or the absence of pokemon professor to support the tournament organizers or really OP , mexico , as the rest of the 3dr world countrys that have an invitation for worlds, should be removed from you list or better be part of a total tournament organization reconstruction for this countries, diferent prizes, diferent way of get the places for worlds ..all at the pair of our poor economy, so maybe in this way all the pokemon cards that can be purchased in mexico can start be made in mexico (in spanish) and in this way not help the sales numbers of states like texas raise, were most of the comic book and card games retailers in mexico goes and get their boxes, so in this way we can have booster packs that everyone can afford and everyone can start to play and enjoy the game....


TO IVES... Hermano cuentas con mi apoyo, se lo dificil que es trabajar por tu cuenta para continuar con tu sueño, ahora ojala en un año este de vuelta en la capital y podamos irnos a tomar un cafe y platicar en que puedo ayudarte, sabes que cuentas con mi experiencia y apoyo, cuidate mucho y pon mas cuidado en tu trabajo como organizador mexicano, recuerda que si el rio suena es que agua lleva, echale ganas carnal y suerte
 
Sauron - I hope I'm not taking your post the wrong way, but if what I am getting is what you mean to say, I have a certain amount of objection to it. I believe you are sort of defending Ives, in a way, by saying it's unfortunate that the Mexican people are poor, and so Ives supports pokemon out of his own pocket. However, if Ives alegedly pads his pocket to make up any shortfall that he gets through running league, by inflating his tournament numbers, then no matter how good intentioned he may be, it would still be considered as fraud. Now, I'm not saying that he does or he doesn't. But that's the impression you are giving me with your post - almost like you figure it's ok to commit fraud. Perhaps the language barrier may have something to do with this. In any case, I doubt many other people would agree with those sentiments that you may have expressed (if my assumption was correct). I do agree that it would make a certain amount of sense to make the cards where the players are, and thereby lower the price to a certain sustainable level, where the players can afford to buy them, but only to a point. One thing you have to be careful about as well is that in this way it doesn't impact the brand, to lower the value of the rest of the cards as well, because collectors won't buy cards that are worthless (or nearly so), unless they have a certain gaming value as well. Then you'll find a market for those same cards in other areas of the world, adding a certain cost to them, and thus lowering the availability anyway. It's a tough tightrope to walk, with no easy answers. I know I can't personally help all the people there, or probably even some of all the leagues, but I'm willing to help when I can. You might try seeing if other people are willing to help out as well. I don't mean this to be a charity, but perhaps a gesture of goodwill towards some of our pokemon friends to the south would be well received. It would certainly be better than possible criminal acts.
 
P_A: I don't think Sauron was even suggesting that Ives padded any numbers, he was simply stating that it is unlikely that a person who works so hard and out of his own pocket to promote Organized Play in Mexico would do such a thing. I have personally worked with Ives for three years at Worlds. He's committed to the game, making things right within it, and having a fun time in the process. Nothing but respect and admiration for the effort he puts forth. I would never in my mind suspect him of any intentional wrong doings. That being said we all make mistakes and I think it's hard for those who aren't privy to organizing/judging large events to understand the numerous variables that could go wrong. However addressing issues you had with the event should have been done directly to Ives and/or POP, not dragged into the public - especially a forum that has virtually no players in attendance at the event.
 
Hi everybody. My name is Josue Palomino and I’ve been playing TCG since tree years ago. After all this time, I’ve never seen something like this. Just let me clarify some points: First, player’s numbers in the tournaments who played from DF are all right (I was there, saw it with my eyes), second, in all this time, I also met Ives, and I swear that he makes a lot of things in the name of the game, things that are hard to make (like free tournaments where gifts are given)... And finally, I feel that in this post, in the beginning, was made because Wero didn’t get his ticket to the Worlds Championship, but wherever the reason was, i agree with him…I feel also very upset myself because I didn’t get a ticket .. still I guess he disserves the right to go. He made one mistake; he watched other people games, leaving out the warning from the judges who says at the begin: “please, don’t leave your gameplay area” (I also had my sister playing in other table, and never go to see her until the end of all rounds). Then, all changed to this, a diffamatory campaign against Ives. And this is for Pablo: I’m not another “lme hvos”, I’m just saying what I see, and please, it's not personal, believe me, I have nothing againts you, either against Wero or Wicho...It's just I don't think you are the "mesias" of mexican players being yourself the first in minimize them (the unique negative comments about the tournament organization has been whose that were posted by you). Good Luck
 
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Ecruteak: you're going to tell me these numbers are correct:

http://op.pokemon-tcg.com/tournaments/details.asp?tournament_id=512000295

This is your very own home town. 37 in age group of your sister? 13 in the 10- where even you remarked the fact that the single 10- won by going 0-5 during the rounds? 73 players in our age group? 123 total when we had to play in a parking lot and inside that really small store? Unless I missed half the event and half the players, you and I know and all players know that number is far from correct.

Again in your hometown:

http://op.pokemon-tcg.com/tournaments/details.asp?tournament_id=603000091

One of the State Championships. Highest table number was 40 something, not 60 something. There weren't 10 players in the age group of your sister, as a separate tourney would have been run for the 11-14 only correct? but wasnt your sister playing in the same tournament as you?

People think about this, would I really be saying all this if it were not true? would I be asking PUI to ask the players themselves? would I be pulling all this act just to say lies which cannot be proved? NO I would not of course as in the end everything would fall down on me and I would lose any and all credibility and respect I had! There would be no logical way of doing this if all of these were lies. If they all were I wouldnt be asking of POP to ask the players about it! I would not be talking about photographic evidence!
 
And tell me, why are you doing all of this? cant you see you are only hurting the OP in Mexico? calling everyone liers, telling that theres no people playing here and that we dont deserve the OP we have? You know better than anyone that the OP without Ives wouldnt be any good, even if it hurts you. So tell me... what is this for you? Why risk your own credibility and respect?
 
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I want to get things straightened out, do you want there to be corruption as long as you get tournaments? wow good thinking there, as long as its done, it doesnt matter how. Your post is saying this: as long as those numbers show there are many players and we get tournaments thats ok. Thats just impressive man for you to say. I want to get things done the correct way, there are obviously people playing here, hence the 400+ National, and we do deserve the OP we have, but what I am fighting for is for this OP to be handled correctly.

Ecruteak said:
You know better than anyone that the OP without Ives wouldnt be any good, even if it hurts you. So tell me... what is this for you?
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So it is OK to do things at the expense of other people instead of doing them the correct way for everyone? Wow just wow, any respect I had of you just went down the toilet.

Be a man and tell me, are those numbers correct? werent you a witness yourself at those tournaments? Are you afraid to speak cause you will be on Ives black list? You're just another lame liar (sp?) if you are.

There are ways to solve things, OP can survive without Ives, if that means we do not get a bag pack worth $20 when we enter Nationals means OP can't survive without Ives well you are completely wrong.
 
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And tell me, why are you doing all of this? cant you see you are only hurting the OP in Mexico?
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If Pablo has proof for his accusations - which I'm fairly sure he does, cos I've met him, and he wouldn't make something like this up - then he's not hurting Mexican OP. He's doing what he can to improve Mexican OP! Of course, I don't even know half of the true story, and I doubt many people on this post do, but if the increased numbers are true (and like Pablo said, why would he lie about that?) then something needs to be done. And if emailing PUI doesn't help, sometimes posting on this board does.

Mexico = the new Netherlands? :(
 
There are lots of places in the world where there is no OP. Op in any country is at POP's discression.

read Peter De Shaw's post.. oops already said that before.

This thread is still far too personal for my liking :( It is not for any of us here to judge the sum of anyone's worth. It is not for any of us here to decide penalties. It mattters little if any of us agree or disagree with POP's decisions on this. It is not our choice to make.
 
:rolleyes: Mexico can have INTERNATIONAL OP, like we all have.
That fine working LD=PTO system which never fails.:thumb:

Funny that I see mr. DeShaw say, he can fire a PTO if tournament numbers are padded, I can only say: What about International LD's doing this??? When are those fired??
It's almost funny when it wasn't as sad as it is.

It's much to easy to say, i cannot say everything in public. No off course, it might reveal also things that cannot view the daylight.

Playing Pods.
This happened last year in Germany (Nationals) and if POP is really using feedback from professors/players why did they approve this?
German Nationals was a mess due to this.
Either you work out a good POD system (which is available) or you don't use pods.

And now the most funny part
The conclusion that I have to draw is that the position of PTO in Mexico City is seen as valuable enough that people are willing to do some sketchy things in order to take it away from Ives. The same sort of thing, on a lesser scale, has happened in several US cities. Since Ives word has turned out to be good every time that I have been able to confirm anything, it is going to take a lot more than ranting on the PokéGym to get me to believe ill of him.
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Not about Ives, because I really don't know what happens in Mexico.
I only like to put this aside the international situation.
LDs words stands, 'no matter what the LD is believed.
Evidence/proof coming from other parties as the LD is not accepted.
So why should this be different in Mexico?
PTO's word stands, if a PTO claims a person did XX why believe the person or even ask the person itself.

Please I have seen to many sketchy things last years, but not from the "players" side, but from the Official side.

And since when is a position of PTO valuable? Like some of the PTO's always try to tell us there is not much into it for them, there is no value on that position, OR IS IT??

a few good reason not to say things public

1. It might reveal POP program is not equal for all.
2. It might reveal POP is not willing to look at "outsiders" evidence
3. It might reveal some tricky things going on.
4. It might reveal being a PTO/LD is BIG business.
5. It might reveal People working at POP are only human and make mistakes but are not willing to admit they did.

I am sorry to hear about Mexico Nationals, but as always those few who dare to complain, are going to be shot.
It doesn't matter if they are right or wrong, the fact is, the message is clear.
Take OP with all it flawes or shut up.
Don't try to improve.
Again don't try it, you will find yourself on the sideline like I and some others are.
Not because we did something wrong, but because we were right.

Sorry last weekend I heared a statement of a PTO.
It's not about being dedicated to this game, it's about money.
I hasitated to post something about the Dutch Nationals, but when I get home I will post an article about 'how Dutch Nationals almost was cancelled." Just to proof how power can be misused.
 
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Dañel said:
I WAS IN THAT EVENT
that is soo not true, the order in that prerealse was not let anyone except players in the tournamet area, jajajaj not mention that you getting people out ? jajajjajaja thats a good one you don't have the courage to do that,you are a COWARD, please do not write any more lies, I know this is a opne forum but you are showin' no respect to anyome, beacuse you are expectin' that the people who read this believe your lies
and what are you tryin' to get sayin' that kind of things¡¡¡¡¡? PLEASE DON'T LIE, I'm tired of see how you just don't care the game, like someones in this forum has said IF IT WEREN'T FOR IVES ORGANIZED PLAY IN MEXICO WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE
and I'm sorry Am I writting in the topic about the nationals right? so that thing about ex team rocket retunr prerelease thing was what? your secret special final WEAPON???????
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Yes you where in that prerealese, but I remember that you where working in yu gi oh tournament, then you joined to the pre on sunday or friday? And in the pre you were drawing in my palm.

jajajjajaja thats a good one you don't have the courage to do that,you are a COWARD
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You are correct in one part, I don't have the courage to do that, but i'm no t a coward, if i where a COWARD I wouldn't post that info:thumb:

Just to add a little fact, you wheren't there when Ives told us (yes, there where other two guys on that moment, one of them post here, and he already posted in this thread, and the other guy doesn't play pokemon or other TCG anymore. I won't say any names, or nicknames :wink: it's up to them if they want to support me). This happended in his house, when he gave us the boxes that were used in the pre.

EDIT: Uh, no. The PokeGym was created to encourage communication. Hindering it will not be tolerated.
 
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c'mon guys im not putting Ives like the Savior of the pokemon OP in mexico, and as i state in my last post im not with him and either saying that he dosnt do all that pablo and his friends are sayin he does in the PO in mexico....i say that Ives is right now the only man in mexico city with the money and the BALLS to take care of a poor and deficient Mexican OP ...


I talk long time ago with pablo and other guys from mexico and i have record of all the supposed wrong mannagements in the Ives's tournaments but , since in im USA, i have no papers or tape to say that ives is guilty, either i have no prove that ives is innocent, is the word of a bunch of guys against the word of one tournament organizer...


Also i know in wich way a diference of price will afect the "collectors value" of each card, but its not the same now with the cards in Japanese and the cards in english???, you dont pay the same or trade as the same value a japanese card and a english card?, so why will be cards in spanish in a less value, or a great diference in the world???


i just say that nintendo and pokemon usa dont loss a thing trying to find a company that can work togheter with them and try to bring cards in spanish to mexico...is no the same pay $1.25 for a 20 oz coke here at go to mexico and pay .50 for the same 20 oz coke , as well for a mexican person is not the same pay $5.00 pesos for a 20 oz coke in mexico at come to usa and pay $12.50 pesos for the same coke??

problem with rules?? c'mon what happen now when you want to play with a japanese card in a oficial tournament, you just need a english copy of the same card on the side to show what it does to you oponnent, no?? whjy no the same to the cards in spanish??

as i told you in my last post, we have to find a way to give all the problems in the mexican op a solution, find a cheaper way of make the mexican op a self operative bussines, but just one guy cant do it...

i can bet to you right now, that if pokemon usa and nintendo turn their sight to mexico and latinamerica and they have the will to try to find a solution they will succed, Ives and myself and a bunch of other mexican playes can help with the translation of the cards and the booklets, and also if they find a partner in mexico that can print all the league material, all that will be printed in spanish, but this only if they want to do it....

this is just my opinion
 
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Sauron, to print cards in a "different" language you need 2 things.
A distributor willing to pay the fee of the "translation rights" and after that to pay for the printing.

that 's the main reason card in another language most times are even more expensive than the English prints.

Anyway you don't need card in your local language at all.
There are no Dutch Cards and we have a large playersbase.
We teach them to read English, understand most of the written parts of the cards.

What you really need is translations (On-line?) of cards and all other OP related stuff.
But that's a dream we already have for 3 years.
 
Is useless, both parts won't stop fighting, both have truths and both makes of a mistake a complete different story, and make even bigger than it looks.
For Mexican forums is not like in the US many people don't have the culture of using the computer, if they do is for need not for plesure or joy; for exemple i know in Guadalajara around 100players and only 10 post, 3 frequently, those including myself

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i can bet to you right now, that if pokemon usa and nintendo turn their sight to mexico and latinamerica and they have the will to try to find a solution they will succed, Ives and myself and a bunch of other mexican playes can help with the translation of the cards and the booklets, and also if they find a partner in mexico that can print all the league material, all that will be printed in spanish, but this only if they want to do it....
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is a great idea to have cards in spanish, and has you say if Nintendo en PUI want to prenetate in LatinAmerica maybe those could be a solution, many will join this, and if they don't want high cost elimate holos is a solution a holo card is a luxury and a "luxury is a waste" Bruno Munari
 
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Pablo said:
I want to get things done the correct way
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Coming from someone banned by collusion??? Anyway, I would answer what you want, even if you dont want to stop:
In the City Championship (alsmot a half year ago) you are correct about the place: It was small, but pretty full of people... because of the lot of people, they had to set several tables in a a next parking place. My sister played four rounds, before the top 8, when she was beaten. I just played 5 rounds, after that I got top 8, where I also lost. Obviously, I can't remember the number, (I mind, I don't think you were counting them, each one) but I'm certainly sure there were a lot.

Then for the State Championship... No, my sister wasnt playing in the same group as me... In fact, she even doesnt get the top.

And believe me, in another time i had some respect for you, for all that you have done, at least in the TCG... But in the time that you are insulting me, saying that i'm another "lme hvos"... you dont deserve any respect, at least not for me. And as i said before, dont take it personal, its just that I think that you could have been a player known more from your achievemnts than from your ego. Good Luck
 
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People think about this, would I really be saying all this if it were not true? would I be asking PUI to ask the players themselves? would I be pulling all this act just to say lies which cannot be proved? NO I would not of course as in the end everything would fall down on me and I would lose any and all credibility and respect I had! There would be no logical way of doing this if all of these were lies. If they all were I wouldnt be asking of POP to ask the players about it! I would not be talking about photographic evidence!
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why? because is a personal vendetta and none of the parts is going to say "yes, all you say is true and i`m a liar", but this has get too far (for this tread anyway),,,

why don`t you let POP do the apropiatte investigation ,, in a post below you are indignated because they don`t ask you (YOU, THAT ARE THE BEST PLAYER AND THE ONE WITH THE MOST FLUID ENGLISH IN MEXICO) come on, this is a personal feud and is only because Wero didn`t win a travel award. .. why all of you didn`t argue when you won some city championships/states/gym challenge. all that was joy didn`t it? or when you colluted in three states (asking for half the money on each,, and I HEARD YOU TELLING THAT, TO WICHO AND TO OCTAVIO DONDE,, please don`t say, "it was for my buddies"), even in the tournaments that Wero runs every saturday, don`t you remember "el fantasma" (the ghost), a player/s invented so the tourney can be runned (sometimes there are only six players or so for this), why don`t you mention things like these, because they don`t matter? I agree in that, but what is pissing me off is to see that image of "good boy and dedicated in soul and body to the game" when you know that nobody is a white pidgeon, and everyone make mistakes etc etc,,, i think that this tread is taking waaaay to much more live than it nedded, and i like to make some things clear because is the last time i ever see this tread:
- i hav been in all those tournaments and the numbe of attendance always has been very good, don`t think that Ives is cahanging number because as i see there`s no point in that,,

-in a post you said "i never called anyone "pitero", it was my friends" and you posted this
http://www.pokemex.com/foros/viewtopic.php?t=10043

aproximate translation:
"title: damn ashram, ball licker,"
"post: you get in Ives side in the national mather because you get to top 8 because the best got dropped/discualified/stolen and BEYOND THAT, to look yourself more "pitero" (bad player) you lost against Metanite with a Lbs. My respects because i thougth NOBODY could do that, you prove me wrong. keep putting Rocket`s Persian whitout a Rocket`s Meowth. in your crap-decks. you forgot to do tha in your Mewtrick whit a non-ex Manectric and a lot of [edited: uh, NO...=/] more"

Don`t get me wrong, i`m not ofended or sad because of this, you and i have problems before and said nonsense like this in thoseforum before, i only exposed it here because you say something but do
the oposite,,you say that you`re "trying to unmask lies" please don`t try to do it whit more lies,,, as i said before, only POP can get all this solved, dont hung up from the respect that the community in the gym has for you to convice anybody, ,, i don`t have anything against you or your friends (also Wero and I went drunk at my bithday party last year), but i`m asking you to have more common sense, don`t let only the anger speak for you, i`m on Ives "side" because oneself can`t blame others for it`s own mistakes, because you are taking ANY situation and making it A HUGE OFFENSE TO ALL THE COMUNITY AROUND THE WORLD, because there`s personal interest among this and because Ives is the person that i know for the most years ago in poke-tcg, is a very close friend and even he worked a season for my father, this last thing is not a friend/preference , is that i know him better than most of you, not in the game aspect but in the personal one,,,, i know his love for the game and ALL what he has done for the game in al this years,,,,,,
sorry if i don`t think as you, but diversity make humankind SO COOL, and sorry if i offend you,, i promised myself to be more respectfull, even if i don`t get that in return (you`re my throw-ashram-crap favorite jajajajajajaj :thumb: )
 
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