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MSNBC my choice for Best Deck In Format

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The best Banette list goes 50/50 or just a "tad" (very slight edge) bit better vs Metalix. Every Banette below that just crumbles. Houndoom heads flips are about the most obnoxious thing in the world, but if you play an actual switching card over briney, or even Super Scoop Up, it helps a ton.
 
You really have to define what a "best" banette list is, though. It really means nothing to me when I look at it. All I play against are good banette lists. The problem in my area, too many ex decks, not enough latios, so I run latias* instead. It pushes the matchup a little more in metalix's favor, but you still have to account for the metagame in the card choices you make.
 
Articjedi said:
You really have to define what a "best" banette list is, though. It really means nothing to me when I look at it. All I play against are good banette lists. The problem in my area, too many ex decks, not enough latios, so I run latias* instead. It pushes the matchup a little more in metalix's favor, but you still have to account for the metagame in the card choices you make.
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and before you argued to me that latios* was the best play in Sallygross when steelix does the job a little better than both sallys. but it's double weakness just hurt too much (houndoom, Sally D, Arcanine Ex, Gardy Ex D variants, Eggs, etc.), and weaknesses at that.

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and hey, this deck not only has 8 ideal starter, but 9, because latios ex has free retreat cost, too:lol:
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more like 10 cause if you get the latias d you can still mentor for latios ex D, and since he play's bridney's he could brindney it up. Or even by it's self it isn't a terrbile starter, w/ spearhead. I like those odds 10/14 basics are good starters, heck even the nidoran F aren't terrible starters if you hit heads against your opponents castform or shuppet (unless they have the PETM in hand) or if you can get a T1 Nidoqueen.
 
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10 great starts is broken; all you need is 1 Mentor which is nearly a 60% chance of having a 'great start' in your opening hand.

Take out Briney for 1-1 Steelix for sure, Metagross/Queen shouldn't be getting KO'd if you have a Steelix up. =\ Also, letting RaiEggs get KO's stops them from scrambling; it's not that bad.

Swap your Switches for Warp Points. Negating Cessation is priceless, and you can retreat back to Steelix with one of your Lati@s, which would be good to KO opposing Latios ex d's which might've used Ice Barrier on you; always good to get rid of those for 2 prizes. Warp Point just seems ideal. ;\
 
beating bannete would be easy with scramble energy, you can ko it straight away after cast dies with latias/os * (one of the 2 anyway) scramble would be interesting.

on the weekend lolganium played against guy who apparently t.32'd the worlds (thats good in exeter) at our cities. he beat him in the top 2 qualifier, and again in the final (2 games to 1) with raibok.

anyway he played this sort of sceptile ex d swarm deck, with quagsire DF and ariados DF. how do you think msn will do against a sceptile ex d deck? it could cause significant problems depending on your draw.
 
I had the same list except with meganium. IMO meganium is slightly better since it can remove one and at the same time you can attach ot a bench pokemon to not bad at all. Although you cant play lugia in it ;/ but latios* does the same. Either way Meta or Meg its still MSN...CC ;/
 
Meganium only has 6 ideal basics, not 10 as in MSNBC; MSNBC also has Metal energy. Meganium is shut down by Sceptile which kills the deck and Metagross DX is just a better attacker. Metagross d is probably bested by Meganium d because Delta Reduction is broken, but this deck is just better.
 
thx for leaking SD...

jk

btw i was about to flame you on the delta match-up,but you covered yourself with the 'ppl may disagree thing'. anyways i think late-game steelix ex killing 2 or 3 ppl is wrong,other than that i'll say it's a close game.

nice article however

-spaz
 
I agree with Spaz on the RaiEggs thing. To me, Steelix would not be the way to go at all, since it's weakness can hurt things...
Anyway, nice article, this is a favorite deck of mine. I hope it keeps up the good work. =D
 
yeah, not an easy matchup. Beldiums can get fried with 2 zzzps. Once PK comes out, possibly tech in a Metagross ex?
 
the bandoom matchup is more like 60-40. I had play tested my bandoom deck against a friend who played MSN a couple times. Bannette just rushes them like crazy in the beginning when your trying to setup your field. Houndoom simply locks the stadiums, transceivers. Even if tauros did manage to hit the field to discard a stadium, its pretty much a waste of bench space and the bandoom player will lay the stadium right back down again. Queen,gross,latios ex are weak to psychic which is not a good thing. Even if you did get the latilock combo in on houndoom and banette CG the bandoom player will play pokemon reversal on the latios ex D thats on the bench and OHKO it with banette ex and thats the end of that little combo. Also you are stuck with latias D on top of that as well.

~Ricky~
 
@ everyone - Briney is not just going to be used on Metagrosses and Nidoqueens. Tauros, LatiOs*, and Castform all get brineyed quite frequently. Briney + Any of those 3 = Broken.



Also, the only thing people disagree on with the list is the 1-1 Steelix. Judging by how many negative comments other archetype threads get on the list, I'd say this list is pretty darn good.
 
FS: have you ever tried 3-2-3 line of Metagross and go with a thicker trainer engine for better consistency? or is 4-2-4 a must?
 
I've tried this deck list and I've been struggling with my startups. With no Transceiver in my hand at the start, I struggle a lot and the deck goes incredibly slow until I get a Nidoqueen a few turns down the line. What am I doing wrong? :| I consider putting in more Trainer lines, but if you say the deck works fine with this Trainer line (after what seems to be a lot of testing) I'm suspecting my play is wrong instead. Or my luck? Dunno.
 
FS, I've been testing this and the additional 1-0-1 Metagross d doesn't seem to be doing anything. In all of my matches, it's overshadowed by Meta DX; hence I might take the 1-0-1 out and stick with 3-2-3 Meta DX. That'd free up 2 card slots as well, and this deck is pretty tight.

Tego, I'm amazed you're finding this deck inconsistant. You have 10 good starts; 4 Casty, 4 Beldum, 2 Lati@s. With 8 Mentor you have around a 60% chance of starting with 1, although I agree it's hard without one if you don't get a casty start. Still very consistant.
 
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