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http://www.usnews.com/articles/news...spanics-and-conservatives-on-immigration.html

"McCain defended his immigration bill that gave a path to citizenship to many of the country's estimated 12 million illegals."

McCain is the author and defender of the bill that would allow illegals to become citizens, which over 80% of the country, presumably including you, disagrees with.

As Obama hasn't written an immigration bill, I guess you find McCain to be the most out of touch.

Flip-flopping for political expediency on issues like torture and immigration during a campaign is pathetic and transparent old school politics.

FTW? Failed, Tired, Washed-up?

First of all I am having trouble responding to posts in 3 different threads. If you read more of my posts I am not happy with the current illegal situation.

In no way I am flip flopping on Immigration and I have not mentioned torture at all in ANY of my posts...

I am a legal Immigrant to this Country.
Letting MEXICAN Illegals stay here and Cut in the Immigration line is not right to any other person who waits in the IMMIGRATION LINE and wants to get in the LEGAL WAY
 
how can anyone take Sarah Pailin siriously, she is not qualified, she spent 150,000 dollars on her and her families wardrobe for TV, and claims to have gotten it from "Her Favorite consignment shop back in alaska". im assuming john mccain will die in office, and who will be his successor? SARAH PAILIN, would you really want her to be president? Cyrus you are completely wrong, dont vote for mccain

OBAMA 08


That is what he said and mccain is old and anything can happen. I wouldnt agree on that cyrus is completely wrong though.
 
First of all I am having trouble responding to posts in 3 different threads. If you read more of my posts I am not happy with the current illegal situation.

Odd that you support the person, McCain, who wrote and defended the bill that would have allowed most of the illegal immigrants a path to citizenship, unless you not serious about the issue but were instead errantly bashing the wrong candidate with the issue.

In no way I am flip flopping on Immigration and I have not mentioned torture at all in ANY of my posts...

I didn't accuse you of flip flopping, I am sorry that you are not familiar enough with your chosen candidate's positions to know that I was referring to McCain the flip flopper.

I am a legal Immigrant to this Country.
Letting MEXICAN Illegals stay here and Cut in the Immigration line is not right to any other person who waits in the IMMIGRATION LINE and wants to get in the LEGAL WAY

You keep citing this as an issue of importance to you, but as cited, with link, earlier, McCain is the candidate of illegal immigration.
 
Part #6: Illegal Immigration

John McCain disappoints me on the illegal immigration issue.

Greatly.

When Republicans possessed a dominating presence over Democrats from 2002-2005, they had an opportunity to solve this issue for good. And what did they do?

Nothing.

As a Republican, I hold two people responsible for this failure: George W. Bush and John McCain.

George W. Bush will be remembered as a one-issue president (foreign policy), and despite his firm stance on issues regarding national defense...Despite willing to go to war against Iraq with question marks everywhere...He compromised with the Democrats' failed lovey-dovey policies.

John McCain, at the twilight of Republican control in congress, continued this trend, and not until 2007 did he produce something that was "not" blatant amnesty (although it was still pseudo-amnesty). What John McCain has repeatedly done is compromise with law-breakers...That's like the policeman compromising with the bank robber, albeit in a much less extreme manner.

I will give him respect, though, for at least attempting to solve an issue that's plagued the United States for over a CENTURY. This is also where I find my small amount of respect for Teddy Kennedy.


Barack Obama is untested on solving immigration. What he is tested on, however, is failing my standards.

So, what did I doto figure out Obama's overall stance on this pressing issue?

Check out consistently he voted with McCain. How consistent was he?

Very consistent.

He is also in near-total agreement with Senator Reid and Speaker Pelosi on this issue: absolute, shameless amnesty with no strings attached.


VERDICT: Both major party candidates FAIL on illegal immigration. I hate to say it, but we will see NOTHING out of these two...Unless we as citizens do something about it.

So come on, 70+% of Americans. Let's stop being cute.

We need real border defenses.

We need to repeal the laws that have kept us in limbo.

We need to remember that Homeland Security is only achieved by first fixing the front and back doors.

And we aren't getting it from McCain or Obama.
 
McCain wants to have a guest worker program, yes I know Bush wanted one and it didn't work.. I am not saying they should never be legal however they should wait their turn as I implied.. Obama just supports more illegals to come. [Amnesty]
I have nothing against humanly helping the current illegals and wait in line for LEGAL status, even though they SHOULD be deported.
Not having like an open border policy sheesh.
 
Unless I'm mistaken, the United States has one of the largest borders in the world, and the largest that can be crossed without hiking gear, dynamite, or expensive tools. This presents a multitude of problems...

1. How do you protect such a large border? Build the Great Wall of America?

2. How many people would it take to actually police the border effectively?

3. Where does the money come from? We're already over a trillion in the hole this year alone. What do we do?
 
If we replayed the tape and stoppe dimmigrants a century ago, thwere's a good chance we'd be a third world country ourselves, or at the very least not near as powerful. Immigrants MADE this country.
 
If we didn't have illegal immigrants then who would I speak spanish to? Or are you telling me that my 6 years of spanish I learned at public school at the expense of taxpayers was a waste? Imagine how much taxpayers would save if I could've only gone to school for 6 classes a day instead of 7! Dang....

Sarcasmo mucho? ;x
 
Finally, I'd like to ask a question. You believe in the policy that you should adopt a nation's language and custom when you travel there, yes?
 
McCain wants to have a guest worker program, yes I know Bush wanted one and it didn't work.. I am not saying they should never be legal however they should wait their turn as I implied.. Obama just supports more illegals to come. [Amnesty]
I have nothing against humanly helping the current illegals and wait in line for LEGAL status, even though they SHOULD be deported.
Not having like an open border policy sheesh.

McCain didn't just support a guest worker program. McCain wrote Bush's amnesty bill.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/...migration.html

McCain's immigration bill was all about magically changing illegals to legals, skipping the lines you desire.


Really, this is all a purely academic exercise. I've voted Obama. You are going to vote McCain, and won't let inconvenient truths and facts get in the way.

When the dust settles, more Americans will have voted for Obama and a majority of the Electoral College will be Obama's. On November 5, 2008, barring lawyer shenanigans, Barack Obama will be President-elect Obama.
 
Not supporting this, but it'll be difficult to implement any change in border policy. As much as everyone wants to say they want them out, there's just too much economic gain in having them here. Cheap, reliable labor that keeps our food prices low. Unless you can find American citizens who can do it for the same price, it isn't going to change. We know that it's a security issue, and we all know that illegals are gaining benefits without paying ta.... Wait, don't they pay taxes? Unless their employer is somehow cheating the government out of income taxes, they actually do get it siphoned from their paycheck.
 
You think illegal immigrants work legally? Nooo. They get paid under the table, therefore don't even exist in the eyes of the American government. People are so against illegal immigrants because they can get all kinds of transfer payments but can work tax-free. But the same people don't even realize that making minimum wage they wouldn't even have to pay income taxes =\

It's actually the small business owners who are screwing people over in this scenario.
 
Then we should punish employers that do pay them under the table, they're cheating all of us by not paying up. I figured someone was going to mention the under the table thing =P.
 
can we have one topic ;-;~! I give up posting in the 3-4 topics there are.
first of all I know that the R party has a [immigration] plan that I don't totally agree with. I stated this quite a few times.
Obama isn't any better.
 
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Finally, I'd like to ask a question. You believe in the policy that you should adopt a nation's language and custom when you travel there, yes?

I'm not really sure who this was directed at, but yes, I would take it as a given that you should learn the language and custom of a nation if you plan on living there for an extended period of time.
 
I'm not really sure who this was directed at, but yes, I would take it as a given that you should learn the language and custom of a nation if you plan on living there for an extended period of time.

Then how come we don't paint our faces and speak Cherokee?

Point, set, match.
 
Ugh, don't start that again. It'll just make me repeat my, "I speak two languages because I chose to adapt to my American-Chinese relatives who never bothered to learn English rather than force them to learn English for my sake" speech. Then I **** off everyone on the site because it sounds racist =\.
 
Originally I was gonna talk about affirmative action, but instead here's how I feel about the two candidates on...

Part #4: Health Care

You Democrats (and a lot of you Republicans) will be surprised with my answer here.

A certain candidate of the two major parties has a better plan for health care.

And it's not John McCain; it's not the person I voted for.


Barack Obama has made great strides in the area of health care. I would even argue that he won the Democratic nomination because of it.

Essentially, Barack Obama's health care policy is a weaker, more ineffective version of Mitt Romney's universal health care plan for Massachusetts. In case you don't know, the three main focuses of that are:

-Getting people who are eligible for government subsidies to sign up for them.
-Providing health care to those who can't afford it, yet don't qualify for said programs.
-Forcing people wealthy enough to pay for health coverage to get it, and not clog up the system.

Obama took that broad outline, and gave it a liberal tilt. I'll invite you all to visit the Obama website to check that one out.

So, unlike the policies of Hillary Clinton/John Edwards, which are ABSOLUTELY socialist, Barack Obama's health care is quite the contrary, with only moderate degrees of socialism embedded in it.

My main concern with Obama's policy, however, is that rather than require the states take this responsibility (such as how Massachusetts did) for this issue, he proposes that the federal government manage health care.

Uh...huh. Are you really going to tell me that the federal government will do this better than state governments, which have time and time again pleased their constituencies more than the federal government?

So, if Obama is serious about this issue, then what he should do is work with the states. We've seen with the Department of Education and the Department of Homeland Security how ineffective bureaucratic things can be if states aren't guaranteed their rights to handle such matters.

I fear that Obama's plan is too ignorant of that. But, they are on the right track. Good job.


John Mccain has a much more sophisticated understanding of the health care problem than Barack Obama, but his solution is simply non-existent. On the stump, he has repeatedly emphasized how it is the cost of coverage that is the root of our crisis.

And he's right.

But his only really prevalent suggestion on the stump has been to give every family a $5,000 tax credit.

Am I hearing this right, Senator McCain?

You, an opponent of wasteful spending, support a plan that will offer hardly any short term relief, yet no long-term solutions on the budget _and_ health care?

Of course there is much, much more to both of their policy plans, but these are the talking points - these are the issues they choose to present to us, the American voters.


VERDICT:

Barack Obama clearly has the better plan on health care. But with that said, his plan is more likely to lead to greater abuses/mismanagement from the federal government.

Neither of them have what I consider to be a truly legitimate vision for health care. Team Obama, though, has crafted an almost tolerable alternative.
 
John,

My only issue with health care being sponsored by state governments is that states without state tax are far less likely to be able to afford it than states with large amounts of tax (i.e. MA, NY, CT). I've lived in FL and GA the past couple of years and FL (a state with no state taxes) is constantly cutting costs in health care (and education). How do you expect those kinds of states to be able to afford it? You can legislate a law saying that all states must require it's population to have health insurance but if they can't afford it they'll have to cut other things out of the budget. The only way I see this happening is with the federal government giving states stipends for affording health insurance and that's basically the same thing as the federal government giving out health insurance.

BTW I love Mitt Romney. If McCain chose him I might have some different views on the election.

Palin ruined everything for the GOP this time around =x
 
Essentially, Barack Obama's health care policy is a weaker, more ineffective version of Mitt Romney's universal health care plan for Massachusetts. In case you don't know, the three main focuses of that are:

-Getting people who are eligible for government subsidies to sign up for them.
-Providing health care to those who can't afford it, yet don't qualify for said programs.
-Forcing people wealthy enough to pay for health coverage to get it, and not clog up the system.

Laws that force citizens to pay for health insurance or require the state to bear enormous subsidies which are then paid to insurance companies? Even 'socialists' will agree that it sounds like we're simply passing legislation to line the insurance companies' pockets, rather than reduce the cost of health care services. At least with auto insurance, we are all able to decide whether or not to drive.

The root cause of our "over-priced" "health care" is the public expectation that excessively developed medical technology will be applied to each and every problem, and the resulting industries that are keen to make as many bucks as possible. Call me a cynic, but last time I checked, the death rate was still at 100%. Everyone knows the insurance industry is a scam.

I say no the nanny state. Let me die in the street -- it's more dignified than the hospital.
 
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